Depp Pleads for the "West Memphis Three"

keeponrockin

musicismylife78 wrote:

by the way damien could very well be mentally unstable. How many mentally unstable people are there in wm? In any city? I deal in facts not rumors. If damiens or jessies or jasons dna was found at the scene, then we wouldnt be having this conversation. the truth of the matter is, their dna wasnt at the scene. they couldnt have committed the crime.

But.. But.. OJs DNA WAS at the scene, and he's not guilty..

Right?

^^sarcasm

Pepe Silvia

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

jillyfishes wrote:

^ probably because there is little evidence of that being true. the tales of Echols being a devil worshipping maniac were simply rumors running rampant.
if you have factual evidence to back your claim, by all means, share it with me.

His mental illness, and his run ins with the law are well documented...

His mental illness was severe enough, to put him on permanent disability.....Long before he was convicted of murder.....

i wonder how many times you've sang the lyric "she was diagnosed by some stupid fuck and mother agrees"

jillyfishes

^ bwahahaha! best response ever!

i have invested a lot of time and energy into this case and was completely ready to take on speedy in battle, but it looks like that won't be necessary... i am really impressed that you guys know a lot about the real facts of the case rather than just the media blitz surrounding it.

awareness is a top priority, not just for the 3 wrongly convicted, but for our judical system in general -- we are supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.


don't forget to tune in (or set your dvr) to 48Hours on CBS this saturday!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

jillyfishes wrote:

^ bwahahaha! best response ever!

i have invested a lot of time and energy into this case and was completely ready to take on speedy in battle, but it looks like that won't be necessary... i am really impressed that you guys know a lot about the real facts of the case rather than just the media blitz surrounding it.

awareness is a top priority, not just for the 3 wrongly convicted, but for our judical system in general -- we are supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.


don't forget to tune in (or set your dvr) to 48Hours on CBS this saturday!

You are correct...

It is not necessary to take SPEEDY on in battle......


So what do you think Misskelley was thinking, when he confessed to the murders???

Actually when he confessed the second time, with his lawyer present???

What was going through his mind???

Pepe Silvia

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

jillyfishes wrote:

^ bwahahaha! best response ever!

i have invested a lot of time and energy into this case and was completely ready to take on speedy in battle, but it looks like that won't be necessary... i am really impressed that you guys know a lot about the real facts of the case rather than just the media blitz surrounding it.

awareness is a top priority, not just for the 3 wrongly convicted, but for our judical system in general -- we are supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.


don't forget to tune in (or set your dvr) to 48Hours on CBS this saturday!

You are correct...

It is not necessary to take SPEEDY on in battle......


So what do you think Misskelley was thinking, when he confessed to the murders???

Actually when he confessed the second time, with his lawyer present???

What was going through his mind???

what was going through his mind when he confessed he watched the kids get raped, which never happened but at the time is what the cops thought did occur????

Byrnzie

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

So what do you think Misskelley was thinking, when he confessed to the murders???

Actually when he confessed the second time, with his lawyer present???

What was going through his mind???

What's going through your mind? Why do you you choose to ignore the facts of this case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_3
Misskelley, whose IQ was reported to be 72 (making him borderline mentally retarded), was questioned alone; his parents were not present during the interrogation.[3] Misskelley's father gave permission for Misskelley to go with police, but did not explicitly give permission for his minor son to be questioned or interrogated.[3] Misskelley was questioned for roughly twelve hours; only two segments, totaling 46 minutes, were recorded.[15] Misskelley quickly recanted his confession, citing intimidation, coercion, fatigue, and veiled threats from police.[3] During Misskelley's trial, Dr. Richard Ofshe, an expert on false confessions and police coercion and Professor of Sociology at UC Berkeley, testified that the brief recording of Misskelley's interrogation was a "classic example" of police coercion.[11] He has further described Misskelley's statement as "the stupidest fucking confession I've ever seen."[16] Critics have also stated that Misskelley's "confession" was in many respects inconsistent with the particulars of the crime scene and murder victims, including (for example) an "admission" that Misskelley "watched Damien rape one of the boys." Police had initially suspected that the boys were raped due to their dilated anuses, but forensic evidence later proved conclusively that the murdered boys had not been raped at all, and their dilated anuses were a normal post-mortem condition.[3][17][18]

Subsequent to his conviction, a police officer also alleged that Misskelley had also confessed to her. However, once again, no reliable details of the crime were provided.[3]

Misskelley was a minor when he was questioned, and though informed of his Miranda rights, he later claimed he did not fully understand them.[3] The Arkansas Supreme Court determined that Misskelley's confession was voluntary and that he did, in fact, understand the Miranda warning and its consequences.[19] Misskelley specifically said he was "scared of the police" during his first confession.[20] Portions of Misskelley's statements to the police were leaked to the press and reported on the front page of the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper before any of the trials began.[3]

Shortly after Misskelley's original confession, police arrested Echols and his close friend Baldwin. It must also be noted that eight months after his original confession, on February 17, 1994, Misskelley made another statement to police with his lawyer Dan Stidham in the room continually advising Misskelley not to say anything. Misskelley ignored this advice continually and went on to detail how Damien and Jason abused and murdered the boys, while he watched until he decided to leave. Misskelley's attorney, Dan Stidham, who was later elected to a municipal judgeship, has written a detailed critique of what he asserts are major police errors and misconceptions during their investigation.[21]

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Shortly after Misskelley's original confession, police arrested Echols and his close friend Baldwin. It must also be noted that eight months after his original confession, on February 17, 1994, Misskelley made another statement to police with his lawyer Dan Stidham in the room continually advising Misskelley not to say anything. Misskelley ignored this advice continually and went on to detail how Damien and Jason abused and murdered the boys, while he watched until he decided to leave.


Again...

WTF was going through his mind????

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Byrnzie wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

How come that website of yours....

Never discusses what a sick, demented, disgusting human being Damien Echols was/is....BEFORE he was CONVICTED of murder????

Because he said something offensive to his parents one time? Sure, he should therefore be crucified.

Edit: Come to think of it, I called my parents some pretty colourful things when I was younger. I also had an interest in the occult and wore black. So where do I fit on your scale of the sick, demented, and disgusting?

I'm sure you could do something more productive with that pitchfork you're wielding Speedy.

There is more to it than just calling his parents offensive names....One is not put on permanent disabilty, for calling his parents offensive names...right???

Because if that were the case, we would all be in a mental hospital....right???


I guess I am not the only one who has a problem ignoring the facts........

SPEEDY MCCREADY

When/if Damien Echols is released....

You can all throw a big party, and have him over at your houses. Hell, maybe you can all give him a job babysitting your children.

Kevinman

Nobody here is a judge or on the jury right? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, because nothing concrete has been proved one way or the other. It is only fair to respect everyone's opinion.


Just Give Me Some Truth. All I Want Is The Truth!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

During Echols' trial, Dr. George W. Woods testified (for the defense) that Echols suffered from:

"... serious mental illness characterized by grandiose and persecutory delusions, auditory and visual hallucinations, disordered thought processes, substantial lack of insight, and chronic, incapacitating mood swings."


Just a kid who wore black and listened to heavy metal music????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

musicismylife78

so speedy, you think people should be convicted and executed merely on confessions? If jessies confession matched the crime scene, and jessie's dna was at the crime scene that would be a different story entirely. But since none of his dna is at the crime scene, nor is the dna of the murdered boys at jessies house, or on his clothes, then we are discussing something different here.

How do you propose speedy, that 3 teens, murdered 3 young boys, and not one of the teen murderers left behind any dna at the crime scene?

Your beliefs suggest something else too. Say, there is a murder in your hometown. the police find someone who confesses. that person has a grudge against you, or is just insane. and they say, "me and speedy murdered this guy". yet when police view the crime scene your dna is not at the scene. your clothes dont have the victims dna on it. no one saw you with the "killer" or the victim. and the confessor himself, has no dna at the scene, and no dna on his clothes.

any sane person would suggest....OH MY GOD... that you and this confessor, were innocent. right?

according to your paradigm, you and this hypothetical guy should be executed.

musicismylife78

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

During Echols' trial, Dr. George W. Woods testified (for the defense) that Echols suffered from:

"... serious mental illness characterized by grandiose and persecutory delusions, auditory and visual hallucinations, disordered thought processes, substantial lack of insight, and chronic, incapacitating mood swings."


Just a kid who wore black and listened to heavy metal music????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

so every mentally ill person is a killer? damien could have thought himself to be our savior jesus christ himself, and the evidence wouldnt change one iota. damien, jessie, and jasons dna is nowhere at the scene, thus they couldnt have committed the crime.

i want to here a real, and serious answer as to how three inexperienced teens committed a horrific crime, and didnt leave one shred of dna at the scene, and didnt get any dna on their clothes or shoes. how is that possible? It defies common sense.

if mentally ill emotional states is so imperitive, why arent you fervent in the belief that hobbs is guilty as sin?

Pepe Silvia

musicismylife78 wrote:

so speedy, you think people should be convicted and executed merely on confessions? If jessies confession matched the crime scene, and jessie's dna was at the crime scene that would be a different story entirely. But since none of his dna is at the crime scene, nor is the dna of the murdered boys at jessies house, or on his clothes, then we are discussing something different here.

How do you propose speedy, that 3 teens, murdered 3 young boys, and not one of the teen murderers left behind any dna at the crime scene?

Your beliefs suggest something else too. Say, there is a murder in your hometown. the police find someone who confesses. that person has a grudge against you, or is just insane. and they say, "me and speedy murdered this guy". yet when police view the crime scene your dna is not at the scene. your clothes dont have the victims dna on it. no one saw you with the "killer" or the victim. and the confessor himself, has no dna at the scene, and no dna on his clothes.

any sane person would suggest....OH MY GOD... that you and this confessor, were innocent. right?

according to your paradigm, you and this hypothetical guy should be executed.

especially when the first confession said he watched echols rape the boys. the boys were never sexually assaulted but at the time of the confession the police thought they were...he was supposedly there and mistakenly thought he saw all the kids get raped? so, if that part of his confession is untrue and basically coerced why should anyone believe the rest of the confession??

Pepe Silvia

musicismylife78 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

During Echols' trial, Dr. George W. Woods testified (for the defense) that Echols suffered from:

"... serious mental illness characterized by grandiose and persecutory delusions, auditory and visual hallucinations, disordered thought processes, substantial lack of insight, and chronic, incapacitating mood swings."


Just a kid who wore black and listened to heavy metal music????

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

so every mentally ill person is a killer? damien could have thought himself to be our savior jesus christ himself, and the evidence wouldnt change one iota. damien, jessie, and jasons dna is nowhere at the scene, thus they couldnt have committed the crime.

i want to here a real, and serious answer as to how three inexperienced teens committed a horrific crime, and didnt leave one shred of dna at the scene, and didnt get any dna on their clothes or shoes. how is that possible? It defies common sense.

if mentally ill emotional states is so imperitive, why arent you fervent in the belief that hobbs is guilty as sin?

bah, what evidence is there of his guilt??? i mean other than his hair in 1 of the knots in the rope that the kids were tied up with.....

Smellyman

Republicans love Justice and death!! Even if not true.

Taft

musicismylife78 wrote:

All one needs to know about the justice system is this 403 treaties were put on the table by native americans. every single one, every last one of them was refused and not honored by american society.

You clearly lack a basic understanding of the Branches of Government. Upholding/Ratifying treaties has nothing to do with the "justice system" you are railing against. "American society" what does that even mean in this context? What low level documentary are you quoting here?

Heatherj43

jillyfishes wrote:

Heatherj43 wrote:

I have wrote this before, but my niece lived in West Memphis for several years and when she tried to ask the locals about it, she got no answers. They acted as if they knew nothing about it. But, finally, a woman she knows well told her that it is something NOT TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
In the black community, they believe these boys did it and that is that!

They should have got a change in venue immediately.

heather, you are completely right. i have been to WM a few times myself and it is a very delicate subject there. of course, i can understand why -- the horrific murders of 3 small boys is difficult enough, but add in the questionable nature of the arrests and trials and you have a real controversy.

My niece lived in a mainly black area. She asked several people about the WM3 and they acted as if they never heard of it, or gave her strange looks. Later, her boss told her it is something they just don't talk about it and that she shouldn't talk about it too!
Again, to me that means a change of venue should have happened. I wonder if the it can happen this long aftewards. Like, in an appeal, stating bad representation 'cuz their lawyers didn't ask for a change of venue.
The prejudice is unbelievable!!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Yet another story on the West Memphis 3, that refuses to give all the FACTS. Why didn't 48 hours give us some background on Damien Echols? Why not let the viewing audience know about the time Damien Echols spent in a mental illness facility, before he was convicted of murder? Why not let people know that Damien Echols once threatened to kill and eat his father? Why not let people know that Damien Echols once threatened to kill a police officer? These are facts, that are documented by police reports and medical records.

Why not bring up the FACT that Damien Echols is on permanent disability due to his mental illness?


Why not let people know that Jesse Misskelley confessed more than once? Why not bring up the FACT that Jesse confessed a second time, with his LAWYER present?

Why not bring up the fact that Jason Baldwin supposedly confessed his part in the crime, to Michael Carson? Michael Carson spent time in the Craighead County Detention Center with Jason Baldwin. Why not bring up the FACT that Michael Carson PASSED a polygraph, when questioned about his statements regarding Jason Baldwin?

Byrnzie

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Yet another story on the West Memphis 3, that refuses to give all the FACTS. Why didn't 48 hours give us some background on Damien Echols? Why not let the viewing audience know about the time Damien Echols spent in a mental illness facility, before he was convicted of murder? Why not let people know that Damien Echols once threatened to kill and eat his father? Why not let people know that Damien Echols once threatened to kill a police officer? These are facts, that are documented by police reports and medical records.

Why not bring up the FACT that Damien Echols is on permanent disability due to his mental illness?

Maybe because they're not relevant?