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It will not surprize me when Sarah Palin does this to them.
You give her too much credit. As a member of Campaign for Liberty and an avid Ron Paul supporter I can say most people who are active aren't buying into the Sarah Palin BS. We know she is only out for herself. Although it would be nice to just tell her to F OFF her presence will bring people on board whom never have heard of Ron Paul and the Liberty movement.
Don't buy into what the MSM is trying to sell.
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Then... how do you explain her being a such huge hit with the Tea Partiers?
I'm not giving Palin any credit, because she deserves none. It is the Tea Party movement that is calling on her. All she has to do is say how 'mavericky' she is about all this 'politicing and stuff' and she will convince the Joe six-packs and hockey moms amongst them that she is their guy.
And yeah... being active means being informed... but, it takes votes to win... with a lot of those Tea Party votes coming from uninformed people who listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for guidence. And those three love Palin.
It's really not much of a stretch on my part... Palin as the Tea Party's choice for President.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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It will not surprize me when Sarah Palin does this to them.
You give her too much credit. As a member of Campaign for Liberty and an avid Ron Paul supporter I can say most people who are active aren't buying into the Sarah Palin BS. We know she is only out for herself. Although it would be nice to just tell her to F OFF her presence will bring people on board whom never have heard of Ron Paul and the Liberty movement.
Don't buy into what the MSM is trying to sell.
...
Then... how do you explain her being a such huge hit with the Tea Partiers?
I'm not giving Palin any credit, because she deserves none. It is the Tea Party movement that is calling on her. All she has to do is say how 'mavericky' she is about all this 'politicing and stuff' and she will convince the Joe six-packs and hockey moms amongst them that she is their guy.
And yeah... being active means being informed... but, it takes votes to win... with a lot of those Tea Party votes coming from uninformed people who listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for guidence. And those three love Palin.
It's really not much of a stretch on my part... Palin as the Tea Party's choice for President.
Did you even read the first post?
The GOP is afraid because the Tea Party Movement stands for what the former Republican Party stood for: the Constitution, family, moral values, freedom, the Bill of Rights, strong defense, homeland security and promises of the Declaration of Independence to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is no secret the former Republican Party has been trying to recruit The Tea Party and its participants.
A recent convention in Nashville promoting former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin repulsed most Tea Party participants -- who stayed away by the thousands.
I agree we all need to be informed...even dumb people like hockey moms (that’s according to you) ...but we all need to inform ourselves about all aspects and out looks pertaining to politics....because the politicians are very tricky.......it looks to me that all you Teaparty haters don't even know what the Teaparty is about...but if you think you know about this movement , What is it you don't like?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
they think they are raging against the machine, when in actuality they are puppets of corporations.
they believe in the constitution, at least the parts they agree with, certainly not the first 14 words of the bill of rights.
they believe in candidates as long as they represent their point of view, otherwise we've been hijacked!
i would laugh if I could stop crying.
Can you explain what you mean here?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You give her too much credit. As a member of Campaign for Liberty and an avid Ron Paul supporter I can say most people who are active aren't buying into the Sarah Palin BS. We know she is only out for herself. Although it would be nice to just tell her to F OFF her presence will bring people on board whom never have heard of Ron Paul and the Liberty movement.
Don't buy into what the MSM is trying to sell.
...
Then... how do you explain her being a such huge hit with the Tea Partiers?
I'm not giving Palin any credit, because she deserves none. It is the Tea Party movement that is calling on her. All she has to do is say how 'mavericky' she is about all this 'politicing and stuff' and she will convince the Joe six-packs and hockey moms amongst them that she is their guy.
And yeah... being active means being informed... but, it takes votes to win... with a lot of those Tea Party votes coming from uninformed people who listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for guidence. And those three love Palin.
It's really not much of a stretch on my part... Palin as the Tea Party's choice for President.
Did you even read the first post?
The GOP is afraid because the Tea Party Movement stands for what the former Republican Party stood for: the Constitution, family, moral values, freedom, the Bill of Rights, strong defense, homeland security and promises of the Declaration of Independence to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is no secret the former Republican Party has been trying to recruit The Tea Party and its participants.
A recent convention in Nashville promoting former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin repulsed most Tea Party participants -- who stayed away by the thousands.
I agree we all need to be informed...even dumb people like hockey moms (that’s according to you) ...but we all need to inform ourselves about all aspects and out looks pertaining to politics....because the politicians are very tricky.......it looks to me that all you Teaparty haters don't even know what the Teaparty is about...but if you think you know about this movement , What is it you don't like?
For starters I dont like how the teabaggers equate what they feel is wrong with the country with 10 commandment violations. That is a stopper for me right away. Maybe the baggers should look to a country such as Iran to see how a government run on theological grounds is doing for its citizens.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to re-affirm the laws of nature and nature’s God, a decent respect for the opinion of all of mankind requires that we declare the causes which impel us to take action.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty and property.
To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government.
Governments long established should not be changed lightly; history has shown that people are more willing to suffer, evils that are tolerable, than to change the situation to which they have become accustomed. But when a long history of abuses and usurpations, all intending to reduce their society to the absolute subjection of a Godless, elitist, socialist dictatorship, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide a new direction for their future and security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of our citizens; and such is now the necessity which constrains us to remove, by the normal and lawful election process, our government leaders. The history of the current President, Congress and Judiciary is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Godless, federal dictatorship and tyranny over these states and their residents.
It is wholly unacceptable that many of the problems experienced by a nation are at their very origin, the result of disregard for or direct violation of the mandates issued by our living Creator through the Ten Commandments contained in His Holy Bible.
Governments further compound the abuse upon their citizenry when its rules and laws, or failure to provide such direction, create an environment which entices men to compromise or violate these fundamental spiritual laws in their personal lives, families and business.
To prove this, let these facts be submitted to a candid world:
Government Corruption and Accountability Conspiring to destroy America’s free-market system, the unconstitutional use of Czars, elected official abusive enrichment of self or family and friends through earmarks or grants or jobs or gifts or trips, corrupt organizations steering law and public policy, lobbyists for foreign governments and dictators, federal control over news and opinion media, federal control of public education, tax-paid propaganda art, etc. Corruption and the lack of accountability strikes at the core of God’s Law for man and violate or compromise every one of its tenets.
Enslaving Citizens with Excessive Taxes and Compounding National Debt Must Stop - Tax dollar bailouts and take-over of Companies, failure to balance budgets, the compounding federal debt, the excessive size of the federal government bureaucracies and failure to stimulate free markets with tax cuts. The President and our current Congressional Representatives leverage human needs and big-government greed by facilitating the redistribution of personal wealth in violation of Gods 8th commandment and encumber citizens through their disregard for the 10th.
Free-market Solutions for Healthcare Reforms, Entitlement Program Reforms, Education Reforms Are Needed - Failure of our leaders to find free market and spiritual based solutions for these human needs cause citizens to flirt with compromising God’s 5th through 10th behavioral mandates. Attempts to leverage human needs and suffering and the redistribution of wealth for political power or personal enrichment has its roots in the breach of Gods first three Commandments.
National Security and the War On Terrorism Is Vital- Failing to protect our national sovereignty with border security and unification through a common language, flagrant illegal immigration, placating adversaries of personal freedom and free markets, threatening gun ownership rights, failing to define treason against our nation; especially during times of war. Our President and weak Congressional leaders along with Judges by default, invite terrorists who have disdain for God’s Commandments and inflict our citizens with foreign invaders, some intent upon violating His last five behavioral mandates.
Use of All America’s Energy Resources In America for America NOW -Failure to plan for the responsible use of our God-given natural resources and fossil fuels and the ultimate free market transition into renewable clean energy sources. Our President and Congressional Representatives practice a flagrant assault upon God’s first three Commandments and facilitate their quest for power and personal gain in disregard of our Lords final three Commandments.
Integrity of Public Servants is Vital - Earmarks, no-bid-contracts, special family enrichment abuses, failure to implement term limits and excessive lifetime benefits for elected officials. Our President and Congressional Representatives ignore the ramifications of His 10th Commandment, and selectively enjoy the violation of Gods final four behavioral laws.
Fair/Flat Tax Systems to Replace the IRS - Failure to implement a method of fair taxation to replace the oppressive government tax structure, excessive bureaucracy and the resulting free-market disincentives. The failure of government to provide a different plan for taxation has its roots in the usurpation of the 1st Commandment and results in compounding violations of His final three Commandments.
Judicial Reforms Are Needed - The unconstitutional legislating from the judicial bench, establishing immoral precedents and ignoring the original intent of the US Constitution. Judicial arrogances prove a complete contempt for Gods first three Commandments and selective disregard for our Creators 5th, 7th, and 10th directives, while facilitating their erosion.
America’s Judeo-Christian Spiritual Foundation and Responsibilities of American Citizens Recognized - Disrespect for our God and Creator, His Words in the Holy Bible and the Ten Commandments, His imprint upon our founding documents plus the assault on the traditional family and life issues moral decline in our society, contributes to the loss of our principles, values and Common Sense. Our current government leaders and judiciary revel in the violation of Gods first three Commandments and cause our citizens to be in frequent conflict with His other behavioral dictums.
Confiscation by excessive taxation is an insidious assault on a society. Any government which willfully forces the redistribution of private wealth, property and resources commits an act of treason against the citizens of our free market based constitutional republic.
We, therefore, the representatives of the Community Caucuses across the United States of America, in person or electronically, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these communities, solemnly publish and declare, that our citizens are entitled to a change of representation through the normal and lawful election process. That our preferred candidates will pledge to uphold all these values and principles as well as those stated within:
The Declaration of American Values and Pledges
We the people of the United States of America, at this crucial time in history, do hereby affirm the core consensus values which form the basis of America’s greatness, that all men and women from every race and ethnicity are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We adhere to the rule of law embodied in the Constitution of the United States and to the principles of liberty on which America was founded. In order to maintain the blessings of liberty and justice for ourselves and our posterity, and recognizing that personal responsibility is the basis of our self-governing Nation, we declare our allegiance –
1. To secure the sanctity of human life by affirming the dignity of and right to life for the disabled, the ill, the aged, the poor, the disadvantaged, and for the unborn from the moment of conception. Every person is made in the image of God, and it is the responsibility and duty of all individuals and communities of faith to extend the hand of loving compassion to care for those in poverty and distress.
2. To secure our national interest in the institution of marriage and family by embracing the union of one man and one woman as the sole form of legitimate marriage and the proper basis of family.
3. To secure the fundamental rights of parents to the care, custody, and control of their children regarding their upbringing and education.
4. To secure the free exercise of religion for all people, including the freedom to acknowledge God through our public institutions and other modes of public expression and the freedom of religious conscience without coercion by penalty or force of law.
5. To secure the moral dignity of each person, acknowledging that obscenity, pornography, and indecency debase our communities, harm our families, and undermine morality and respect. Therefore, we promote enactment and enforcement of laws to protect decency and traditional morality.
6. To secure the right to own, possess and manage private property without arbitrary interference from government, while acknowledging the necessity of maintaining a proper and balanced care and stewardship of the environment and natural resources for the health and safety of our families.
7. To secure the individual right to own, possess, and use firearms as central to the preservation of peace and liberty.
8. To secure a system of checks and balances between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches within both state and federal governments, so that no one branch – particularly the judiciary – usurps the authority of the other two, and to maintain the constitutional principles of federalism which divide power between the state and federal governments.
9. To secure our national sovereignty and domestic tranquility by maintaining a strong military; establishing and maintaining secure national borders; participating in international and diplomatic affairs without ceding authority to foreign powers that diminish or interfere with our unalienable rights; and being mindful of our history as a nation of immigrants, promoting immigration policies that observe the rule of law and are just, fair, swift, and foster national unity.
10. To secure a system of fair taxes that are not punitive against the institution of marriage or family and are not progressive in nature, and within a limited government framework, to encourage economic opportunity, free enterprise, and free market competition.
I believe in a balanced budget and therefore will support a freeze in government spending until that goal is realized.
I believe government should not increase the financial burden on its citizenry during difficult economic times therefore I will oppose all tax increases until our economy has rebounded.
I believe more than four decades of U.S. dependence on foreign oil is a travesty therefore I will support an energy plan that calls for immediately increasing usage of all domestic energy resources including nuclear energy, natural gas, oil and coal as necessary.
I believe in the sovereignty of our country and therefore will support measures to close our borders except for designated immigration points so we will know who is entering and why and I will vehemently oppose any measure giving another country, the United Nations, or any other unconstitutional entity (including Czars), power over U.S. citizens.
I believe the United States of America is the greatest country on earth with a Divinely inspired US Constitution and therefore will not apologize for policies or actions which have served throughout history to free more and feed more people around the world than any other nation on the planet.
We hereby pledge our Names, our Lives and our Sacred Honor to this Declaration of American Values and Pledges.
(Signed/sealed by candidates for public office)
We will work together on citizen education, the motivation of a higher caliber of candidates to pursue public service and election results that insure the institution of our public policies, herein. For the support of these Declarations, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, these True Patriots of America mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Executed and Signed by these True Patriots of America:
There are many Tea Party web pages....the movement wants to stay local and not turn into a movement that can be hijacked by some articulate scum bag....here are a few excerpts I copied from different Tea Party sites.....I don’t know why anyone would be against any of these ideas...
A community committed to standing together, shoulder to shoulder, to protect our country and the Constitution upon which we were founded!
It will be a shame if the party cannot codify itself as a "middle class" party, which it seems to be, and begin to write in detail what that means...i.e. opposition to corporate globalization, illegal immigration, bank bailouts, rampant lobby influence, emphasizing economic liberty, de-emphasizing religious and social issues....
the issues that formed
the bedrock of the original tea party
movement – namely ending an unconstitutional
foreign policy that is bankrupting America and
auditing the private Federal Reserve.
Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as thier battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
Our founding fathers were God loving, god-fearing people . . . they based the Constitution on a religious belief . . . seems to me the worst of our problems started when some looney atheist decided God is a bad guy. Now we spend thousands to have God removed from everything......So I say if you don’t like the Constitution of America that’s ok, you’re free to leave this country and find one that will not in include the right to practice a religion of choice....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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There are many Tea Party web pages....the movement wants to stay local and not turn into a movement that can be hijacked by some articulate scum bag....here are a few excerpts I copied from different Tea Party sites.....I don’t know why anyone would be against any of these ideas...
A community committed to standing together, shoulder to shoulder, to protect our country and the Constitution upon which we were founded!
It will be a shame if the party cannot codify itself as a "middle class" party, which it seems to be, and begin to write in detail what that means...i.e. opposition to corporate globalization, illegal immigration, bank bailouts, rampant lobby influence, emphasizing economic liberty, de-emphasizing religious and social issues....
the issues that formed
the bedrock of the original tea party
movement – namely ending an unconstitutional
foreign policy that is bankrupting America and
auditing the private Federal Reserve.
Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as thier battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
Our founding fathers were God loving, god-fearing people . . . they based the Constitution on a religious belief . . . seems to me the worst of our problems started when some looney atheist decided God is a bad guy. Now we spend thousands to have God removed from everything......So I say if you don’t like the Constitution of America that’s ok, you’re free to leave this country and find one that will not in include the right to practice a religion of choice....
Yes some of our founding fathers were God loving, God fearing people while at the same time owned slaves which says awhole lot about their true religon. :roll:
Peace
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I never said they were perfect....as no man is perfect
Do you know when the slaves were free that some former slaves owned there own slaves....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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I never said they were perfect....as no man is perfect
Do you know when the slaves were free that some former slaves owned there own slaves....
If so show me a link, I never said they were perfect either so what's your point? If any of that is true they were probably treated much better. Somehow what you've said here seems to say it was perfectly alright that those precious God loving, God fearing founding fathers did to slaves was a perfectly good thing. Yeah RIGHT!
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Did you even read the first post? The GOP is afraid because the Tea Party Movement stands for what the former Republican Party stood for: the Constitution, family, moral values, freedom, the Bill of Rights, strong defense, homeland security and promises of the Declaration of Independence to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is no secret the former Republican Party has been trying to recruit The Tea Party and its participants.
A recent convention in Nashville promoting former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin repulsed most Tea Party participants -- who stayed away by the thousands.
I agree we all need to be informed...even dumb people like hockey moms (that’s according to you) ...but we all need to inform ourselves about all aspects and out looks pertaining to politics....because the politicians are very tricky.......it looks to me that all you Teaparty haters don't even know what the Teaparty is about...but if you think you know about this movement , What is it you don't like?
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Yes... I read the initial thread. Which raised my questions... IF the Tea Party feels this way towards Sarah Palin... Why the HELL did they pay her $100K as a key note speaker at their first national convention in Nashville? That was where the 'Hopey/Changey' speech came from... and the hand scribbling telling her that her core beliefs are 'Energy, Tax cuts and Lifting American spirits'. A bit of a contradiction... wouldn't you agree? See how something like that can raise questions? And she was greeted with with great applause. "As Sarah Palin left the stage at the inaugural National Tea Party Convention here Saturday night, the crowd erupted into chants of “Run Sarah Run!"
ref. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/po ... palin.html
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Now... what don't I like about the Tea Party?
They are basically sour grapes Republicans that are willing to let our nation fail... hoping that our nation fails just so they can say, "Told you so".
On your points... Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as their battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
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WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU FROM 2003 to 2008???
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Offer no solutions... only point out problems. Those Health Care Town Halls were a great example of how to act like assholes. Instead of asking questions or listening to speakers.. they just shouted... like imbiciles.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Those Health Care Town Halls were a great example of how to act like assholes. Instead of asking questions or listening to speakers.. they just shouted... like imbiciles.
sadly some dems act the same way, like barney frank. you don't change minds by berating them and calling them names
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Those Health Care Town Halls were a great example of how to act like assholes. Instead of asking questions or listening to speakers.. they just shouted... like imbiciles.
sadly some dems act the same way, like barney frank. you don't change minds by berating them and calling them names
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Agreed. However, I feel that people shouting out as loud as you can simply to drown out the voices you do not wish to hear is worthy of name calling. There were people who wanted to hear how these reforms would affect them... but, were not given the opportunity because others felt that what they were seeking was not acceptable. In my book... definition of 'asshole'.
And yeah... Barney Frank is an asshole in my book, too. I do not differentiate assholiness by political party affiliation or political spectrum tags.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I never said they were perfect....as no man is perfect
Do you know when the slaves were free that some former slaves owned there own slaves....
If so show me a link, I never said they were perfect either so what's your point? If any of that is true they were probably treated much better. Somehow what you've said here seems to say it was perfectly alright that those precious God loving, God fearing founding fathers did to slaves was a perfectly good thing. Yeah RIGHT!
peace
I never agreed with slave owner ship or mistreating humans I also don't agree with calling people derogatory names ......here is your link....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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I never said they were perfect....as no man is perfect
Do you know when the slaves were free that some former slaves owned there own slaves....
If so show me a link, I never said they were perfect either so what's your point? If any of that is true they were probably treated much better. Somehow what you've said here seems to say it was perfectly alright that those precious God loving, God fearing founding fathers did to slaves was a perfectly good thing. Yeah RIGHT!
peace
I never agreed with slave owner ship or mistreating humans I also don't agree with calling people derogatory names ......here is your link....
What are you aerial talking about calling people names, what names? Yes I did know about black slave owners but I wanted to see if you were going to look it up thank you very much.
In your last link what happens in the the Republic of Mauritania is out of my hands and sadly this country's concerns. I'm more concern with the slavery we STILL have in this country, you can take a take a look listen or read here....The Slave Next Door: Human Trafficking and Slavery in America Today
Peace
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Did you even read the first post? The GOP is afraid because the Tea Party Movement stands for what the former Republican Party stood for: the Constitution, family, moral values, freedom, the Bill of Rights, strong defense, homeland security and promises of the Declaration of Independence to pursue life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is no secret the former Republican Party has been trying to recruit The Tea Party and its participants.
A recent convention in Nashville promoting former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin repulsed most Tea Party participants -- who stayed away by the thousands.
I agree we all need to be informed...even dumb people like hockey moms (that’s according to you) ...but we all need to inform ourselves about all aspects and out looks pertaining to politics....because the politicians are very tricky.......it looks to me that all you Teaparty haters don't even know what the Teaparty is about...but if you think you know about this movement , What is it you don't like?
...
Yes... I read the initial thread. Which raised my questions... IF the Tea Party feels this way towards Sarah Palin... Why the HELL did they pay her $100K as a key note speaker at their first national convention in Nashville? That was where the 'Hopey/Changey' speech came from... and the hand scribbling telling her that her core beliefs are 'Energy, Tax cuts and Lifting American spirits'. A bit of a contradiction... wouldn't you agree? See how something like that can raise questions? And she was greeted with with great applause. "As Sarah Palin left the stage at the inaugural National Tea Party Convention here Saturday night, the crowd erupted into chants of “Run Sarah Run!"
ref. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/po ... palin.html
...
Now... what don't I like about the Tea Party?
They are basically sour grapes Republicans that are willing to let our nation fail... hoping that our nation fails just so they can say, "Told you so".
On your points... Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as their battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
...
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU FROM 2003 to 2008???
...
Offer no solutions... only point out problems. Those Health Care Town Halls were a great example of how to act like assholes. Instead of asking questions or listening to speakers.. they just shouted... like imbiciles.
they think they are raging against the machine, when in actuality they are puppets of corporations.
they believe in the constitution, at least the parts they agree with, certainly not the first 14 words of the bill of rights.
they believe in candidates as long as they represent their point of view, otherwise we've been hijacked!
i would laugh if I could stop crying.
Can you explain what you mean here?
Gladly. this current version of Patriotism believes that this is a christian nation. Amendment one of the Bill of rights clearly dictates a freedom of religion, but a separation of church and state. A basic knowledge of US history would clear this up
Since you didn't question #1 or #3, I take it there is no debate.
Just curious, what is it you like about pearl jam?
There are many Tea Party web pages....the movement wants to stay local and not turn into a movement that can be hijacked by some articulate scum bag....here are a few excerpts I copied from different Tea Party sites.....I don’t know why anyone would be against any of these ideas...
A community committed to standing together, shoulder to shoulder, to protect our country and the Constitution upon which we were founded!
It will be a shame if the party cannot codify itself as a "middle class" party, which it seems to be, and begin to write in detail what that means...i.e. opposition to corporate globalization, illegal immigration, bank bailouts, rampant lobby influence, emphasizing economic liberty, de-emphasizing religious and social issues....
the issues that formed
the bedrock of the original tea party
movement – namely ending an unconstitutional
foreign policy that is bankrupting America and
auditing the private Federal Reserve.
Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as thier battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
Our founding fathers were God loving, god-fearing people . . . they based the Constitution on a religious belief . . . seems to me the worst of our problems started when some looney atheist decided God is a bad guy. Now we spend thousands to have God removed from everything......So I say if you don’t like the Constitution of America that’s ok, you’re free to leave this country and find one that will not in include the right to practice a religion of choice....
To protect that choice we shouldn't officially promote one religion over another.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
they think they are raging against the machine, when in actuality they are puppets of corporations.
they believe in the constitution, at least the parts they agree with, certainly not the first 14 words of the bill of rights.
they believe in candidates as long as they represent their point of view, otherwise we've been hijacked!
i would laugh if I could stop crying.
Can you explain what you mean here?
Gladly. this current version of Patriotism believes that this is a christian nation. Amendment one of the Bill of rights clearly dictates a freedom of religion, but a separation of church and state. A basic knowledge of US history would clear this up
Since you didn't question #1 or #3, I take it there is no debate.
Just curious, what is it you like about pearl jam?
Separation of church and state is not on any legal document our forefathers created as some believe... It was merely one phrase in a letter from President Jefferson trying to assure a group of Connecticut Baptists that the US would not have a state church.
I discovered Pearl Jam on an MTV video in 92....my first thought was “these guys are hot!” my heart beat for Eddie, that hair, those combat boots paired with the flannel shirt!.....I was in love!...OMG and they are rebellious too! What a plus...I always liked the Bad Boys...Well Ten was out and I could so relate to the lyrics that time in my life.....I loved to watch Eddie preform....to me he was living the lyrics, he was in deep......To me there is an honesty about Pearl Jam, they stood up for what they believed in and it seemed money was not there motivator just there music......When they went out of there way to promote there own shows using alternative venues other than Ticket Master venues I admired them for the stance they took.....to bad there fellow musicians did not back them.........to sum it up, I admire that they took upon their selves to fight ticket master.... I love their music, Eddies voice, they’re performances, and the lyrical content of there songs
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
Are you advocating that Christianity should become the official religion of the USA?
If so, there will be different of opinions as to which version of the Bible should be used to determine how the nation is to be governed. Also, would divorce be a crime in this Christian nation?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
Are you advocating that Christianity should become the official religion of the USA?
If so, which version of the Bible should be used to determine how the nation is to be governed?
Also, would divorce be a crime in this Christian nation?
I am not advocating anything....I am making a point ..and answering a question...just because a couple people do not beleive in God does not give them the right to to use made up BS .
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
These are all very ambiguous ways to describe religion in government. We as a nation have do not promote one particular sect of religion - we promote religious tolerance and freedom to practice any religion. That's something all these "tea party" people don't seem to acknowledge. A basic understanding of US history easy denounces the combination of church and state as a practice to enhance our republic.
Also, in most of these items on your list, it doesn't state which god we're referring too. Simply because we have traditions, ceremonies and holidays which include religious text or belief, doesn't mean we are or have removed the separation of church and state to become a Christian nation (regardless of some wanting this).
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
These are all very ambiguous ways to describe religion in government. We as a nation have do not promote one particular sect of religion - we promote religious tolerance and freedom to practice any religion. That's something all these "tea party" people don't seem to acknowledge. A basic understanding of US history easy denounces the combination of church and state as a practice to enhance our republic.
Also, in most of these items on your list, it doesn't state which god we're referring too. Simply because we have traditions, ceremonies and holidays which include religious text or belief, doesn't mean we are or have removed the separation of church and state to become a Christian nation (regardless of some wanting this).
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
This nation was created as a Christain Nation so there can not be a removal of "separation of church and state" because that is BS...nothing ever said that....Personally I don’t care what God....I just don’t want my culture or history changedbecause some people have a problem that God was involved in the creation of America.....did you know schools were started in churches....so was our congress...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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I also don't agree with calling people derogatory names ......
Again aerial this was addressed to me, what derogatory names do you speak of?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not meaning to insult your intelligence, but do you realize when the first settlers of our nation fled Europe it was because of religious persecution? In short, they were all religious fundamentalists in places that did not tolerate religious acceptance of alternative religions/sects or practices in their society. Now let's fast forward to the present time where the supposed enemy of our nation is what... religious fundamentalists who want to combine religion and government. And somehow the very people in our nation most riled up on these issues are the same pushing hate and intolerance in the opposing direction. Pretty ironic wouldn't you say?
Also, you continually say things like you don't want separation of church and state.. what would be your reaction if we started teaching the Koran or some other religious text in schools? Or had political leaders swear on some other text than the bible? Would this still be ok with you? That would be religious tolerance.. not merely the Christian nation stuff you keep saying.
Lastly, you keep harping on the fact of religious impact on our nation - things like Bible in schools. It is a book, written by people, just like Hanzel and Grettel. Both have morals and codes, but you and others take more from it - which you're entitled to do, but this does not mean everyone has to believe, think or learn the same. This is not religious tolerance and acceptance, it is creating a Christian nation.. ie a nation under Jesus...which is at the heart of the tea-baggers and every other fundamentalist christian view in our nation. Not tolerance, but a polite way of transforming into a Christian theocracy...and that is something, we've never, ever believed or were founded upon as a nation.
This nation was created as a Christain Nation so there can not be a removal of "separation of church and state" because that is BS...nothing ever said that....Personally I don’t care what God....I just don’t want my culture or history changedbecause some people have a problem that God was involved in the creation of America.....did you know schools were started in churches....so was our congress...
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Not meaning to insult your intelligence, but do you realize when the first settlers of our nation fled Europe it was because of religious persecution? In short, they were all religious fundamentalists in places that did not tolerate religious acceptance of alternative religions/sects or practices in their society. Now let's fast forward to the present time where the supposed enemy of our nation is what... religious fundamentalists who want to combine religion and government. And somehow the very people in our nation most riled up on these issues are the same pushing hate and intolerance in the opposing direction. Pretty ironic wouldn't you say?
Also, you continually say things like you don't want separation of church and state.. what would be your reaction if we started teaching the Koran or some other religious text in schools? Or had political leaders swear on some other text than the bible? Would this still be ok with you? That would be religious tolerance.. not merely the Christian nation stuff you keep saying.
Lastly, you keep harping on the fact of religious impact on our nation - things like Bible in schools. It is a book, written by people, just like Hanzel and Grettel. Both have morals and codes, but you and others take more from it - which you're entitled to do, but this does not mean everyone has to believe, think or learn the same. This is not religious tolerance and acceptance, it is creating a Christian nation.. ie a nation under Jesus...which is at the heart of the tea-baggers and every other fundamentalist christian view in our nation. Not tolerance, but a polite way of transforming into a Christian theocracy...and that is something, we've never, ever believed or were founded upon as a nation.
This nation was created as a Christain Nation so there can not be a removal of "separation of church and state" because that is BS...nothing ever said that....Personally I don’t care what God....I just don’t want my culture or history changedbecause some people have a problem that God was involved in the creation of America.....did you know schools were started in churches....so was our congress...
first settlers of our nation fled Europe because they did not want the government telling them what religion they had to follow....that’s what amendment one is about....and it's funny how people mistake the word tolerance for the word acceptance, to separate meanings here...people have become more tolerant but as we have now the libs are trying to push people into accepting things that are totally beyond there beliefs...
so now libs are not happy with tolerance, now if the people don’t accept things they are against then they become racist and hate mongers...... Hanzel and Grettel no way compares to the Bible
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I also don't agree with calling people derogatory names ......
Again aerial this was addressed to me, what derogatory names do you speak of?
Peace
Just a general statement not meant for you personally....just to those that call people names like morons, teabaggers and things like that
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
This is a totally vague and non-specific response. Simply blaming liberals for forcing ideas upon society? You can insert any political philosophy into this category.
I also find it funny how you spin this... You think we are a Christian nation, therefore anyone preaching tolerance and religious acceptance is forcing ideas down the throats of society. Do you not recognize by proclaiming we are a christian nation, you are doing exactly what you're complaining about?
The Bible is a book. Some believe it is the word of god, some believe it is passed along stories on the word of god, others believe it was written by man to pass along stories and morals/codes to live by.. and some believe it is merely a book.. no different from science fiction. A good, interesting read no matter how you characterize it, but it is every persons' own opinion and entitlement to decide for themselves how to interpret that.
Lastly, you keep harping on others infringing on society about what to think and believe, but that is exactly what you preach in your commentary here.
first settlers of our nation fled Europe because they did not want the government telling them what religion they had to follow....that’s what amendment one is about....and it's funny how people mistake the word tolerance for the word acceptance, to separate meanings here...people have become more tolerant but as we have now the libs are trying to push people into accepting things that are totally beyond there beliefs...
so now libs are not happy with tolerance, now if the people don’t accept things they are against then they become racist and hate mongers...... Hanzel and Grettel no way compares to the Bible
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This is a totally vague and non-specific response. Simply blaming liberals for forcing ideas upon society? You can insert any political philosophy into this category.
I also find it funny how you spin this... You think we are a Christian nation, therefore anyone preaching tolerance and religious acceptance is forcing ideas down the throats of society. Do you not recognize by proclaiming we are a christian nation, you are doing exactly what you're complaining about?
The Bible is a book. Some believe it is the word of god, some believe it is passed along stories on the word of god, others believe it was written by man to pass along stories and morals/codes to live by.. and some believe it is merely a book.. no different from science fiction. A good, interesting read no matter how you characterize it, but it is every persons' own opinion and entitlement to decide for themselves how to interpret that.
Lastly, you keep harping on others infringing on society about what to think and believe, but that is exactly what you preach in your commentary here.
first settlers of our nation fled Europe because they did not want the government telling them what religion they had to follow....that’s what amendment one is about....and it's funny how people mistake the word tolerance for the word acceptance, to separate meanings here...people have become more tolerant but as we have now the libs are trying to push people into accepting things that are totally beyond there beliefs...
so now libs are not happy with tolerance, now if the people don’t accept things they are against then they become racist and hate mongers...... Hanzel and Grettel no way compares to the Bible
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
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Then... how do you explain her being a such huge hit with the Tea Partiers?
I'm not giving Palin any credit, because she deserves none. It is the Tea Party movement that is calling on her. All she has to do is say how 'mavericky' she is about all this 'politicing and stuff' and she will convince the Joe six-packs and hockey moms amongst them that she is their guy.
And yeah... being active means being informed... but, it takes votes to win... with a lot of those Tea Party votes coming from uninformed people who listen to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for guidence. And those three love Palin.
It's really not much of a stretch on my part... Palin as the Tea Party's choice for President.
Hail, Hail!!!
they think they are raging against the machine, when in actuality they are puppets of corporations.
they believe in the constitution, at least the parts they agree with, certainly not the first 14 words of the bill of rights.
they believe in candidates as long as they represent their point of view, otherwise we've been hijacked!
i would laugh if I could stop crying.
For starters I dont like how the teabaggers equate what they feel is wrong with the country with 10 commandment violations. That is a stopper for me right away. Maybe the baggers should look to a country such as Iran to see how a government run on theological grounds is doing for its citizens.
http://www.teapartynextstep.com/page10.php
The Declaration of Redependence
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to re-affirm the laws of nature and nature’s God, a decent respect for the opinion of all of mankind requires that we declare the causes which impel us to take action.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty and property.
To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government.
Governments long established should not be changed lightly; history has shown that people are more willing to suffer, evils that are tolerable, than to change the situation to which they have become accustomed. But when a long history of abuses and usurpations, all intending to reduce their society to the absolute subjection of a Godless, elitist, socialist dictatorship, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide a new direction for their future and security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of our citizens; and such is now the necessity which constrains us to remove, by the normal and lawful election process, our government leaders. The history of the current President, Congress and Judiciary is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Godless, federal dictatorship and tyranny over these states and their residents.
It is wholly unacceptable that many of the problems experienced by a nation are at their very origin, the result of disregard for or direct violation of the mandates issued by our living Creator through the Ten Commandments contained in His Holy Bible.
Governments further compound the abuse upon their citizenry when its rules and laws, or failure to provide such direction, create an environment which entices men to compromise or violate these fundamental spiritual laws in their personal lives, families and business.
To prove this, let these facts be submitted to a candid world:
Government Corruption and Accountability Conspiring to destroy America’s free-market system, the unconstitutional use of Czars, elected official abusive enrichment of self or family and friends through earmarks or grants or jobs or gifts or trips, corrupt organizations steering law and public policy, lobbyists for foreign governments and dictators, federal control over news and opinion media, federal control of public education, tax-paid propaganda art, etc. Corruption and the lack of accountability strikes at the core of God’s Law for man and violate or compromise every one of its tenets.
Enslaving Citizens with Excessive Taxes and Compounding National Debt Must Stop - Tax dollar bailouts and take-over of Companies, failure to balance budgets, the compounding federal debt, the excessive size of the federal government bureaucracies and failure to stimulate free markets with tax cuts. The President and our current Congressional Representatives leverage human needs and big-government greed by facilitating the redistribution of personal wealth in violation of Gods 8th commandment and encumber citizens through their disregard for the 10th.
Free-market Solutions for Healthcare Reforms, Entitlement Program Reforms, Education Reforms Are Needed - Failure of our leaders to find free market and spiritual based solutions for these human needs cause citizens to flirt with compromising God’s 5th through 10th behavioral mandates. Attempts to leverage human needs and suffering and the redistribution of wealth for political power or personal enrichment has its roots in the breach of Gods first three Commandments.
National Security and the War On Terrorism Is Vital- Failing to protect our national sovereignty with border security and unification through a common language, flagrant illegal immigration, placating adversaries of personal freedom and free markets, threatening gun ownership rights, failing to define treason against our nation; especially during times of war. Our President and weak Congressional leaders along with Judges by default, invite terrorists who have disdain for God’s Commandments and inflict our citizens with foreign invaders, some intent upon violating His last five behavioral mandates.
Use of All America’s Energy Resources In America for America NOW -Failure to plan for the responsible use of our God-given natural resources and fossil fuels and the ultimate free market transition into renewable clean energy sources. Our President and Congressional Representatives practice a flagrant assault upon God’s first three Commandments and facilitate their quest for power and personal gain in disregard of our Lords final three Commandments.
Integrity of Public Servants is Vital - Earmarks, no-bid-contracts, special family enrichment abuses, failure to implement term limits and excessive lifetime benefits for elected officials. Our President and Congressional Representatives ignore the ramifications of His 10th Commandment, and selectively enjoy the violation of Gods final four behavioral laws.
Fair/Flat Tax Systems to Replace the IRS - Failure to implement a method of fair taxation to replace the oppressive government tax structure, excessive bureaucracy and the resulting free-market disincentives. The failure of government to provide a different plan for taxation has its roots in the usurpation of the 1st Commandment and results in compounding violations of His final three Commandments.
Judicial Reforms Are Needed - The unconstitutional legislating from the judicial bench, establishing immoral precedents and ignoring the original intent of the US Constitution. Judicial arrogances prove a complete contempt for Gods first three Commandments and selective disregard for our Creators 5th, 7th, and 10th directives, while facilitating their erosion.
America’s Judeo-Christian Spiritual Foundation and Responsibilities of American Citizens Recognized - Disrespect for our God and Creator, His Words in the Holy Bible and the Ten Commandments, His imprint upon our founding documents plus the assault on the traditional family and life issues moral decline in our society, contributes to the loss of our principles, values and Common Sense. Our current government leaders and judiciary revel in the violation of Gods first three Commandments and cause our citizens to be in frequent conflict with His other behavioral dictums.
Confiscation by excessive taxation is an insidious assault on a society. Any government which willfully forces the redistribution of private wealth, property and resources commits an act of treason against the citizens of our free market based constitutional republic.
We, therefore, the representatives of the Community Caucuses across the United States of America, in person or electronically, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these communities, solemnly publish and declare, that our citizens are entitled to a change of representation through the normal and lawful election process. That our preferred candidates will pledge to uphold all these values and principles as well as those stated within:
The Declaration of American Values and Pledges
We the people of the United States of America, at this crucial time in history, do hereby affirm the core consensus values which form the basis of America’s greatness, that all men and women from every race and ethnicity are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We adhere to the rule of law embodied in the Constitution of the United States and to the principles of liberty on which America was founded. In order to maintain the blessings of liberty and justice for ourselves and our posterity, and recognizing that personal responsibility is the basis of our self-governing Nation, we declare our allegiance –
1. To secure the sanctity of human life by affirming the dignity of and right to life for the disabled, the ill, the aged, the poor, the disadvantaged, and for the unborn from the moment of conception. Every person is made in the image of God, and it is the responsibility and duty of all individuals and communities of faith to extend the hand of loving compassion to care for those in poverty and distress.
2. To secure our national interest in the institution of marriage and family by embracing the union of one man and one woman as the sole form of legitimate marriage and the proper basis of family.
3. To secure the fundamental rights of parents to the care, custody, and control of their children regarding their upbringing and education.
4. To secure the free exercise of religion for all people, including the freedom to acknowledge God through our public institutions and other modes of public expression and the freedom of religious conscience without coercion by penalty or force of law.
5. To secure the moral dignity of each person, acknowledging that obscenity, pornography, and indecency debase our communities, harm our families, and undermine morality and respect. Therefore, we promote enactment and enforcement of laws to protect decency and traditional morality.
6. To secure the right to own, possess and manage private property without arbitrary interference from government, while acknowledging the necessity of maintaining a proper and balanced care and stewardship of the environment and natural resources for the health and safety of our families.
7. To secure the individual right to own, possess, and use firearms as central to the preservation of peace and liberty.
8. To secure a system of checks and balances between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches within both state and federal governments, so that no one branch – particularly the judiciary – usurps the authority of the other two, and to maintain the constitutional principles of federalism which divide power between the state and federal governments.
9. To secure our national sovereignty and domestic tranquility by maintaining a strong military; establishing and maintaining secure national borders; participating in international and diplomatic affairs without ceding authority to foreign powers that diminish or interfere with our unalienable rights; and being mindful of our history as a nation of immigrants, promoting immigration policies that observe the rule of law and are just, fair, swift, and foster national unity.
10. To secure a system of fair taxes that are not punitive against the institution of marriage or family and are not progressive in nature, and within a limited government framework, to encourage economic opportunity, free enterprise, and free market competition.
I believe in a balanced budget and therefore will support a freeze in government spending until that goal is realized.
I believe government should not increase the financial burden on its citizenry during difficult economic times therefore I will oppose all tax increases until our economy has rebounded.
I believe more than four decades of U.S. dependence on foreign oil is a travesty therefore I will support an energy plan that calls for immediately increasing usage of all domestic energy resources including nuclear energy, natural gas, oil and coal as necessary.
I believe in the sovereignty of our country and therefore will support measures to close our borders except for designated immigration points so we will know who is entering and why and I will vehemently oppose any measure giving another country, the United Nations, or any other unconstitutional entity (including Czars), power over U.S. citizens.
I believe the United States of America is the greatest country on earth with a Divinely inspired US Constitution and therefore will not apologize for policies or actions which have served throughout history to free more and feed more people around the world than any other nation on the planet.
We hereby pledge our Names, our Lives and our Sacred Honor to this Declaration of American Values and Pledges.
(Signed/sealed by candidates for public office)
We will work together on citizen education, the motivation of a higher caliber of candidates to pursue public service and election results that insure the institution of our public policies, herein. For the support of these Declarations, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, these True Patriots of America mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Executed and Signed by these True Patriots of America:
A community committed to standing together, shoulder to shoulder, to protect our country and the Constitution upon which we were founded!
It will be a shame if the party cannot codify itself as a "middle class" party, which it seems to be, and begin to write in detail what that means...i.e. opposition to corporate globalization, illegal immigration, bank bailouts, rampant lobby influence, emphasizing economic liberty, de-emphasizing religious and social issues....
the issues that formed
the bedrock of the original tea party
movement – namely ending an unconstitutional
foreign policy that is bankrupting America and
auditing the private Federal Reserve.
Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as thier battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
Our founding fathers were God loving, god-fearing people . . . they based the Constitution on a religious belief . . . seems to me the worst of our problems started when some looney atheist decided God is a bad guy. Now we spend thousands to have God removed from everything......So I say if you don’t like the Constitution of America that’s ok, you’re free to leave this country and find one that will not in include the right to practice a religion of choice....
Yes some of our founding fathers were God loving, God fearing people while at the same time owned slaves which says awhole lot about their true religon. :roll:
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Do you know when the slaves were free that some former slaves owned there own slaves....
If so show me a link, I never said they were perfect either so what's your point? If any of that is true they were probably treated much better. Somehow what you've said here seems to say it was perfectly alright that those precious God loving, God fearing founding fathers did to slaves was a perfectly good thing. Yeah RIGHT!
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The founding fathers were really the anti tea party movement.
Yes... I read the initial thread. Which raised my questions... IF the Tea Party feels this way towards Sarah Palin... Why the HELL did they pay her $100K as a key note speaker at their first national convention in Nashville? That was where the 'Hopey/Changey' speech came from... and the hand scribbling telling her that her core beliefs are 'Energy, Tax cuts and Lifting American spirits'. A bit of a contradiction... wouldn't you agree? See how something like that can raise questions? And she was greeted with with great applause.
"As Sarah Palin left the stage at the inaugural National Tea Party Convention here Saturday night, the crowd erupted into chants of “Run Sarah Run!"
ref. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/po ... palin.html
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Now... what don't I like about the Tea Party?
They are basically sour grapes Republicans that are willing to let our nation fail... hoping that our nation fails just so they can say, "Told you so".
On your points...
Tea Party Group holds these 5 principles as their battle cry.
1. Limited Government
2. Fiscal Responsibility
3. Personal Responsibility
4. The Rule of Law
5. National Sovereignty
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WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU FROM 2003 to 2008???
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Offer no solutions... only point out problems. Those Health Care Town Halls were a great example of how to act like assholes. Instead of asking questions or listening to speakers.. they just shouted... like imbiciles.
Hail, Hail!!!
sadly some dems act the same way, like barney frank. you don't change minds by berating them and calling them names
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Agreed. However, I feel that people shouting out as loud as you can simply to drown out the voices you do not wish to hear is worthy of name calling. There were people who wanted to hear how these reforms would affect them... but, were not given the opportunity because others felt that what they were seeking was not acceptable. In my book... definition of 'asshole'.
And yeah... Barney Frank is an asshole in my book, too. I do not differentiate assholiness by political party affiliation or political spectrum tags.
Hail, Hail!!!
Thomas day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Day_(North_Carolina)
Black Slave Owners
http://www.genealogydomain.com/wiki/ind ... ave_Owners
Now if you have feelings for slaves do you know slave ownership is still going on in this day and time?
I found this while looking for the link for you
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/2252001.htm
What are you aerial talking about calling people names, what names? Yes I did know about black slave owners but I wanted to see if you were going to look it up thank you very much.
In your last link what happens in the the Republic of Mauritania is out of my hands and sadly this country's concerns. I'm more concern with the slavery we STILL have in this country, you can take a take a look listen or read here....The Slave Next Door: Human Trafficking and Slavery in America Today
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
POTD
Gladly. this current version of Patriotism believes that this is a christian nation. Amendment one of the Bill of rights clearly dictates a freedom of religion, but a separation of church and state. A basic knowledge of US history would clear this up
Since you didn't question #1 or #3, I take it there is no debate.
Just curious, what is it you like about pearl jam?
To protect that choice we shouldn't officially promote one religion over another.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
I discovered Pearl Jam on an MTV video in 92....my first thought was “these guys are hot!” my heart beat for Eddie, that hair, those combat boots paired with the flannel shirt!.....I was in love!...OMG and they are rebellious too! What a plus...I always liked the Bad Boys...Well Ten was out and I could so relate to the lyrics that time in my life.....I loved to watch Eddie preform....to me he was living the lyrics, he was in deep......To me there is an honesty about Pearl Jam, they stood up for what they believed in and it seemed money was not there motivator just there music......When they went out of there way to promote there own shows using alternative venues other than Ticket Master venues I admired them for the stance they took.....to bad there fellow musicians did not back them.........to sum it up, I admire that they took upon their selves to fight ticket master.... I love their music, Eddies voice, they’re performances, and the lyrical content of there songs
If our forefathers did not have a relationship with God how do you explain this?
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.
Are you advocating that Christianity should become the official religion of the USA?
If so, there will be different of opinions as to which version of the Bible should be used to determine how the nation is to be governed. Also, would divorce be a crime in this Christian nation?
I am not advocating anything....I am making a point ..and answering a question...just because a couple people do not beleive in God does not give them the right to to use made up BS .
Also, in most of these items on your list, it doesn't state which god we're referring too. Simply because we have traditions, ceremonies and holidays which include religious text or belief, doesn't mean we are or have removed the separation of church and state to become a Christian nation (regardless of some wanting this).
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Again aerial this was addressed to me, what derogatory names do you speak of?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Also, you continually say things like you don't want separation of church and state.. what would be your reaction if we started teaching the Koran or some other religious text in schools? Or had political leaders swear on some other text than the bible? Would this still be ok with you? That would be religious tolerance.. not merely the Christian nation stuff you keep saying.
Lastly, you keep harping on the fact of religious impact on our nation - things like Bible in schools. It is a book, written by people, just like Hanzel and Grettel. Both have morals and codes, but you and others take more from it - which you're entitled to do, but this does not mean everyone has to believe, think or learn the same. This is not religious tolerance and acceptance, it is creating a Christian nation.. ie a nation under Jesus...which is at the heart of the tea-baggers and every other fundamentalist christian view in our nation. Not tolerance, but a polite way of transforming into a Christian theocracy...and that is something, we've never, ever believed or were founded upon as a nation.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
so now libs are not happy with tolerance, now if the people don’t accept things they are against then they become racist and hate mongers...... Hanzel and Grettel no way compares to the Bible
I also find it funny how you spin this... You think we are a Christian nation, therefore anyone preaching tolerance and religious acceptance is forcing ideas down the throats of society. Do you not recognize by proclaiming we are a christian nation, you are doing exactly what you're complaining about?
The Bible is a book. Some believe it is the word of god, some believe it is passed along stories on the word of god, others believe it was written by man to pass along stories and morals/codes to live by.. and some believe it is merely a book.. no different from science fiction. A good, interesting read no matter how you characterize it, but it is every persons' own opinion and entitlement to decide for themselves how to interpret that.
Lastly, you keep harping on others infringing on society about what to think and believe, but that is exactly what you preach in your commentary here.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799
"With our thoughts we make the world"