According to AA, an alcoholic can never, never drink again!! I know this because my cousin has battled this problem his entire life. Good luck.
Thanks! I'm not asking for myself. I'm wondering because of my friend's husband, who gave it up for 4 months and is now telling her that he started drinking again because he feels he can drink in moderation, but she thinks he's full of shit and needs to give it up 100%. His drinking has been a huge problem in their marriage for over 10 years and is the reason they don't have kids, despite the fact that they both want them. :(
ETA: I just wanted to double-check that she's not being too hard on him.
According to AA, an alcoholic can never, never drink again!! I know this because my cousin has battled this problem his entire life. Good luck.
Thanks! I'm not asking for myself. I'm wondering because of my friend's husband, who gave it up for 4 months and is now telling her that he started drinking again because he feels he can drink in moderation, but she thinks he's full of shit and needs to give it up 100%. His drinking has been a huge problem in their marriage for over 10 years and is the reason they don't have kids, despite the fact that they both want them. :(
he can't... addiction can't be turned off or controlled... every alcoholic will say they can drink in moderation... i don't think i've ever seen it
oh and i'm not an alcoholic but have friends that are and i've discussed this with them...you friends husband needs to get help if his drinking is affecting his and others lives
According to AA, an alcoholic can never, never drink again!! I know this because my cousin has battled this problem his entire life. Good luck.
Thanks! I'm not asking for myself. I'm wondering because of my friend's husband, who gave it up for 4 months and is now telling her that he started drinking again because he feels he can drink in moderation, but she thinks he's full of shit and needs to give it up 100%. His drinking has been a huge problem in their marriage for over 10 years and is the reason they don't have kids, despite the fact that they both want them. :(
he can't... addiction can't be turned off or controlled... every alcoholic will say they can drink in moderation... i don't think i've ever seen it
oh and i'm not an alcoholic but have friends that are and i've discussed this with them...you friends husband needs to get help if his drinking is affecting his and others lives
Thanks. I agree that he needs help. But he won't get it. Sometimes he admits that he has a problem but says he'll kick it on his own. Other times he says he doesn't have a problem and/or that he'll just drink in moderation and that's okay. It's so sad. It's really ruining their lives.
According to AA, an alcoholic can never, never drink again!! I know this because my cousin has battled this problem his entire life. Good luck.
Thanks! I'm not asking for myself. I'm wondering because of my friend's husband, who gave it up for 4 months and is now telling her that he started drinking again because he feels he can drink in moderation, but she thinks he's full of shit and needs to give it up 100%. His drinking has been a huge problem in their marriage for over 10 years and is the reason they don't have kids, despite the fact that they both want them. :(
he can't... addiction can't be turned off or controlled... every alcoholic will say they can drink in moderation... i don't think i've ever seen it
oh and i'm not an alcoholic but have friends that are and i've discussed this with them...you friends husband needs to get help if his drinking is affecting his and others lives
Well, I AM an alcoholic and what Norms friends have said is true. That thought has to be banished from the brain , that we can drink as a "normal" people can. I can state with certainty that until HE sees that he can't AND needs help to not drink, nothing she can really do but protect herself. You might suggest to her that she look into Alanon. Could help her even if he still drinks. Good luck to her.
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I second mickeyrat! 5 1/2yrs sober & I still battle the addiction EVERY day. Good friends,family & a desire to never return to that life gets me through.
I second mickeyrat! 5 1/2yrs sober & I still battle the addiction EVERY day. Good friends,family & a desire to never return to that life gets me through.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Fuck AA. You can either control it or you can't. Don't give me this shit that you need to talk with a room full of alky's to deal with it. BULL!
right. I can't. AA has worked for me going on 4 years. There's your bullshit.
If one can't control it , then what? Drink themselves to death? What is the solution if AA is bullshit?
don't bother mick...i don't think there's a lot of maturity and intellect there...best to just let it go
I know. But still , I'm always interested to hear of other "solutions" . Won't change MY membership in AA. We don't claim the only way to get and stay sober. Just claim what works for us.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Choice to what? If one can't control and drinks obsessively where is the choice in that?
You're trying to rationalize with irrational people
Well he or she IS entitled to their opinion. Did hope to hear of another solution that works. AA isn't for everybody. Be nice to pass that "other" solution on for those folks that do want to get/stay sober but not in AA.
Guess it is easier to just slam something than offer another way.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Fuck AA. You can either control it or you can't. Don't give me this shit that you need to talk with a room full of alky's to deal with it. BULL!
Man, you're a real jerkoff. Its a fucking disease you cold motherfucker. I have seen a few too many people battle this and other addictions to put up with some bullshit like this. This goes for all your comments, not just this.
Fuck AA. You can either control it or you can't. Don't give me this shit that you need to talk with a room full of alky's to deal with it. BULL!
Man, you're a real jerkoff. Its a fucking disease you cold motherfucker. I have seen a few too many people battle this and other addictions to put up with some bullshit like this. This goes for all your comments, not just this.
What comments are you talking about?
About beating their wife. That's as low class as it comes.
I have seen or heard enough about alcoholics doing this and am fed up with it. I am entitled to my opinion and won't stand for that type of behavior, regardless of the disease factor. Sorry if I have had some former friends engage in this act and feel bitter about it.
Sorry you have had to experience that but its pretty shitty to sterotype an entire group of people for the mistakes of a few that you knew. There are a lot of good people that have a serious problem.
About beating their wife. That's as low class as it comes.
So as long as they admit they are alcoholic, it becomes ok that a woman has been beaten or others have been hurt because of their behavior?
No one is justifying any domestic abuse and I unlike you have never experienced this situation due to alcoholism. I have seen how low it can bring a number of people but I have not experienced domestic abuse and would never excuse it.
About beating their wife. That's as low class as it comes.
I have seen or heard enough about alcoholics doing this and am fed up with it. I am entitled to my opinion and won't stand for that type of behavior, regardless of the disease factor. Sorry if I have had some former friends engage in this act and feel bitter about it.
I am not trying to be cold or heartless when it comes to this topic and I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
Well, on that note I would say that Domestic Violence isn't exclusive to alcoholics OR drug addicts. Sober or not. So am I to understand you've been just venting frustration over these "former friends"? And were they sober or still actively drinking? Suppose that doesn't matter in the big picture. The fact is that BOTH DV and alcoholism/drug addiction are deadly serious.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I can comment on it because you pretty much referred to all alcoholics as wife beaters when that is far from the case. Like I said I have been through this with a number of people who have ruined their lives because of alcohol but never laid a hand on anyone in their family, so it is pretty fucking offensive for you to refer to alcoholics as wife beaters and saying AA is worthless.
About beating their wife. That's as low class as it comes.
So as long as they admit they are alcoholic, it becomes ok that a woman has been beaten or others have been hurt because of their behavior?
No. But in admitting they are alcoholic and trying to do something about it helps in them trying as best they can to make things right. As much as could be in those circumstances. Alcoholism is NO excuse for any type of behaviour. It really only explains some of it. There still is accountability and responsibility to those we've hurt.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Thanks! I'm not asking for myself. I'm wondering because of my friend's husband, who gave it up for 4 months and is now telling her that he started drinking again because he feels he can drink in moderation, but she thinks he's full of shit and needs to give it up 100%. His drinking has been a huge problem in their marriage for over 10 years and is the reason they don't have kids, despite the fact that they both want them. :(
ETA: I just wanted to double-check that she's not being too hard on him.
he can't... addiction can't be turned off or controlled... every alcoholic will say they can drink in moderation... i don't think i've ever seen it
oh and i'm not an alcoholic but have friends that are and i've discussed this with them...you friends husband needs to get help if his drinking is affecting his and others lives
Thanks. I agree that he needs help. But he won't get it. Sometimes he admits that he has a problem but says he'll kick it on his own. Other times he says he doesn't have a problem and/or that he'll just drink in moderation and that's okay. It's so sad. It's really ruining their lives.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
If one can't control it , then what? Drink themselves to death? What is the solution if AA is bullshit?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
don't bother mick...i don't think there's a lot of maturity and intellect there...best to just let it go
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
You're trying to rationalize with irrational people
Guess it is easier to just slam something than offer another way.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Man, you're a real jerkoff. Its a fucking disease you cold motherfucker. I have seen a few too many people battle this and other addictions to put up with some bullshit like this. This goes for all your comments, not just this.
About beating their wife. That's as low class as it comes.
Sorry you have had to experience that but its pretty shitty to sterotype an entire group of people for the mistakes of a few that you knew. There are a lot of good people that have a serious problem.
No one is justifying any domestic abuse and I unlike you have never experienced this situation due to alcoholism. I have seen how low it can bring a number of people but I have not experienced domestic abuse and would never excuse it.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I can comment on it because you pretty much referred to all alcoholics as wife beaters when that is far from the case. Like I said I have been through this with a number of people who have ruined their lives because of alcohol but never laid a hand on anyone in their family, so it is pretty fucking offensive for you to refer to alcoholics as wife beaters and saying AA is worthless.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14