No, she's in Yr 11, not 11 years old. Which I suppose is what irks me. She's not some little kid who habitually forgets to bring stuff to school or anything like that. She's an emerging adult, who through circumstance does not yet have the book. Usually, by the time kids get to the senior years of schooling, they are treated more like adults, more like people, than little kids who need to be "taught a lesson". Giving a detention may deter bad bahviour in a kid who is acting up. A detention is not gonna make this book arrive in my mailbox any sooner.
My daughter has complained about this teacher before, and her habit of saying one thing and doing another. She's been more a witness to this womans often unreasonable demands than a recipient of them, until now.
As an aside, I've managed to get my hands on the book via an electronic library. She can freely use the book for two weeks until the hard copy arrives.
A couple of thoughts...might be time to let your daughter handle her own life...like getting the book and dealing with her teacher. You are starting to sound like a very overbearing parent and it's obvious that you have only heard your daughter side of the story (and every other story) and take it as 100% fact. I'm sure you love and trust your daughter but kids don't always share the whole story with their parents.
I don't know- I think I would have let my child fight their own battle on this - let her take the lunch detention
even if a little unfair- life is unfair and that might be the valuable lesson learned here. That and be prepared.
She may be off to college soon to handle everything on her own.
That's the kind of attitude that lets people get away with keeping things unfair. I say teach your child to fight the power.
exactly don't fight their battles teach them to choose their battles wisely
No, she's in Yr 11, not 11 years old. Which I suppose is what irks me. She's not some little kid who habitually forgets to bring stuff to school or anything like that. She's an emerging adult, who through circumstance does not yet have the book. Usually, by the time kids get to the senior years of schooling, they are treated more like adults, more like people, than little kids who need to be "taught a lesson". Giving a detention may deter bad bahviour in a kid who is acting up. A detention is not gonna make this book arrive in my mailbox any sooner.
My daughter has complained about this teacher before, and her habit of saying one thing and doing another. She's been more a witness to this womans often unreasonable demands than a recipient of them, until now.
As an aside, I've managed to get my hands on the book via an electronic library. She can freely use the book for two weeks until the hard copy arrives.
A couple of thoughts...might be time to let your daughter handle her own life...like getting the book and dealing with her teacher. You are starting to sound like a very overbearing parent and it's obvious that you have only heard your daughter side of the story (and every other story) and take it as 100% fact. I'm sure you love and trust your daughter but kids don't always share the whole story with their parents.
You're right, kids don't always share the whole story. Having had two other kids go through high school before her, one of them a particularly difficult kid who raised hell through her teen years, I feel I am reasonably clued in to the antics and deceptions of teens. I could write a book about the shit my eldest daughter put us through! The child in question though, I guess you'd have to know her. She couldn't be more different from her sister if she tried. As for getting the book herself, it's not really up to her. She's a kid in high school and the parents supply the books. At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
I've since heard back from the teacher. She says she's no longer considering it a "detention" and instead will call it a "study session" so that the girls who don't yet have the book can catch up on task they had to do. This is fair enough in my opinion, and I have to respect the woman for aknowledging she was a little harsh about the whole thing.
At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
Drama much? Equating a 16 year old having to buy a book to "funding her own education"...just a bit crazy. I'm pretty sure at 16 she has some money to buy a book.
At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
Drama much? Equating a 16 year old having to buy a book to "funding her own education"...just a bit crazy. I'm pretty sure at 16 she has some money to buy a book.
Well no, she doesn't. Thats kind of a non issue anyway, the book has been purchased, as mentioned in the original post.......... it's yet to be delivered though.
At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
Drama much? Equating a 16 year old having to buy a book to "funding her own education"...just a bit crazy. I'm pretty sure at 16 she has some money to buy a book.
Well no, she doesn't. Thats kind of a non issue anyway, the book has been purchased, as mentioned in the original post.......... it's yet to be delivered though.
The she should get a job in the summer. She must not get to do anything fun.
Well no, she doesn't. Thats kind of a non issue anyway, the book has been purchased, as mentioned in the original post.......... it's yet to be delivered though.[/quote]
The she should get a job in the summer. She must not get to do anything fun. [/quote]
Ha, it IS summer. The question was "is this unreasonable?"....... so thanks for your input..
At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
Drama much? Equating a 16 year old having to buy a book to "funding her own education"...just a bit crazy. I'm pretty sure at 16 she has some money to buy a book.
Well no, she doesn't. Thats kind of a non issue anyway, the book has been purchased, as mentioned in the original post.......... it's yet to be delivered though.
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.[/quote]
The difference is it wasnt a homework project that she didn't start on time. It was my responsibility to order the books etc....
The Australian school year starts at the end of January over here. The booklists for the following school year go out in December, usually a week or so before Christmas. With two kids in high school, and the schools using "updated" versions of the texts every second year or so, as well as different schools using different texts...... it basically breaks down to almost a grand on school books. This doesn't include stationary or uniforms, school fees etc. Right before christmas, finding a grand is not an easy thing to do.
So anyway, this wasn't meant to be a bitch about my lack of funds, it was about a kid being given detention for something that had nothing to do with "misbehaviour" or any other thing that was within her control.
BTW, I've never been able to figure out the quote thingy......... I just hit where it says quote and the stoopid thing screws it up........ bleh!
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.
The difference is it wasnt a homework project that she didn't start on time. It was my responsibility to order the books etc....
The Australian school year starts at the end of January over here. The booklists for the following school year go out in December, usually a week or so before Christmas. With two kids in high school, and the schools using "updated" versions of the texts every second year or so, as well as different schools using different texts...... it basically breaks down to almost a grand on school books. This doesn't include stationary or uniforms, school fees etc. Right before christmas, finding a grand is not an easy thing to do.
So anyway, this wasn't meant to be a bitch about my lack of funds, it was about a kid being given detention for something that had nothing to do with "misbehaviour" or any other thing that was within her control.
BTW, I've never been able to figure out the quote thingy......... I just hit where it says quote and the stoopid thing screws it up........ bleh!
A grand on school books, not including uniforms, etc.!? Shit. :shock: When my sister and I were in school, we could barely afford the gas to get there, and we had to ask our grandparents for money to pay for our caps and gowns so we could attend graduation. I don't know how we ever would have graduated with costs like yours! That's crazy.
Here's how the quote thingy works, but just take out the spaces I put inside the brackets:
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.[/quote]
The difference is it wasnt a homework project that she didn't start on time. It was my responsibility to order the books etc....
The Australian school year starts at the end of January over here. The booklists for the following school year go out in December, usually a week or so before Christmas. With two kids in high school, and the schools using "updated" versions of the texts every second year or so, as well as different schools using different texts...... it basically breaks down to almost a grand on school books. This doesn't include stationary or uniforms, school fees etc. Right before christmas, finding a grand is not an easy thing to do.
So anyway, this wasn't meant to be a bitch about my lack of funds, it was about a kid being given detention for something that had nothing to do with "misbehaviour" or any other thing that was within her control.
BTW, I've never been able to figure out the quote thingy......... I just hit where it says quote and the stoopid thing screws it up........ bleh![/quote]
Interesting. That's a lot of dough. How's your library system? Can you request a book and be assured of receiving it?
Interesting. That's a lot of dough. How's your library system? Can you request a book and be assured of receiving it?
Not really. Some books yes, but since they update the versions there's no guarantee they'll have the latest one. For instance, my son's text book for Humanities is a new version for 2010. So, I couldn't buy it second hand, couldn't borrow a copy coz no one has it yet, so had to purchase it new. I swear the schools are getting kick baks from the publishers or something. And it's not just the money thats an issue, it's the bloody waste! All that paper and ink and stuff. The place where I buy the textbooks states that due to their inability to move the stock, they no longer buy second hand books. They also mention that charities are no longer accepting donations of second hand books. It's crazy!
Interesting. That's a lot of dough. How's your library system? Can you request a book and be assured of receiving it?
Not really. Some books yes, but since they update the versions there's no guarantee they'll have the latest one. For instance, my son's text book for Humanities is a new version for 2010. So, I couldn't buy it second hand, couldn't borrow a copy coz no one has it yet, so had to purchase it new. I swear the schools are getting kick baks from the publishers or something. And it's not just the money thats an issue, it's the bloody waste! All that paper and ink and stuff. The place where I buy the textbooks states that due to their inability to move the stock, they no longer buy second hand books. They also mention that charities are no longer accepting donations of second hand books. It's crazy!
That sucks. Having to buy books in college was bad enough, but text books having to be bought in high school level schools...crazy. Now, other books, like certain fiction, etc for lit classes makes sense to have to buy though.
Good for you, if you don't advocate for your child, no on else is going to!!
When my grandson was in kindergarten one of his classmates got a couple detentions 'cuz the mom wasn't getting her child to school on time. How in the hell is this the kid's fault at that age?? Why is he being punished for something his mom is responsible for? And the worse, at 5 years old, he thinks he is at fault and wrong and there goes a whole lot of self esteem. What does the school hope to accomplish? All they did was cause harm to this child, the fuckers!! I have witnessed this way too many times. The pure ignorance blows me away.
Keep advocating for your child...again it is your job.
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A couple of thoughts...might be time to let your daughter handle her own life...like getting the book and dealing with her teacher. You are starting to sound like a very overbearing parent and it's obvious that you have only heard your daughter side of the story (and every other story) and take it as 100% fact. I'm sure you love and trust your daughter but kids don't always share the whole story with their parents.
You're right, kids don't always share the whole story. Having had two other kids go through high school before her, one of them a particularly difficult kid who raised hell through her teen years, I feel I am reasonably clued in to the antics and deceptions of teens. I could write a book about the shit my eldest daughter put us through! The child in question though, I guess you'd have to know her. She couldn't be more different from her sister if she tried. As for getting the book herself, it's not really up to her. She's a kid in high school and the parents supply the books. At 16, she's not in a position to fund her own education just yet.
I've since heard back from the teacher. She says she's no longer considering it a "detention" and instead will call it a "study session" so that the girls who don't yet have the book can catch up on task they had to do. This is fair enough in my opinion, and I have to respect the woman for aknowledging she was a little harsh about the whole thing.
Drama much? Equating a 16 year old having to buy a book to "funding her own education"...just a bit crazy. I'm pretty sure at 16 she has some money to buy a book.
Well no, she doesn't. Thats kind of a non issue anyway, the book has been purchased, as mentioned in the original post.......... it's yet to be delivered though.
The she should get a job in the summer. She must not get to do anything fun.
The she should get a job in the summer. She must not get to do anything fun.
Ha, it IS summer. The question was "is this unreasonable?"....... so thanks for your input..
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.[/quote]
The difference is it wasnt a homework project that she didn't start on time. It was my responsibility to order the books etc....
The Australian school year starts at the end of January over here. The booklists for the following school year go out in December, usually a week or so before Christmas. With two kids in high school, and the schools using "updated" versions of the texts every second year or so, as well as different schools using different texts...... it basically breaks down to almost a grand on school books. This doesn't include stationary or uniforms, school fees etc. Right before christmas, finding a grand is not an easy thing to do.
So anyway, this wasn't meant to be a bitch about my lack of funds, it was about a kid being given detention for something that had nothing to do with "misbehaviour" or any other thing that was within her control.
BTW, I've never been able to figure out the quote thingy......... I just hit where it says quote and the stoopid thing screws it up........ bleh!
A grand on school books, not including uniforms, etc.!? Shit. :shock: When my sister and I were in school, we could barely afford the gas to get there, and we had to ask our grandparents for money to pay for our caps and gowns so we could attend graduation. I don't know how we ever would have graduated with costs like yours! That's crazy.
Here's how the quote thingy works, but just take out the spaces I put inside the brackets:
[ quote="WHOEVER YOU'RE QUOTING" ] QUOTED TEXT HERE. [ /quote ]
YOUR NEW TEXT HERE.
I am curious, how did all the other students manage to get their books delivered on time? If this was a case where a few students left the ordering of the book to the last minute then it couldn't be delivered on time then to me that is similar to not starting a huge homework project until the night before and then not getting it finished. For both actions I think there should be some kind of consequences.[/quote]
The difference is it wasnt a homework project that she didn't start on time. It was my responsibility to order the books etc....
The Australian school year starts at the end of January over here. The booklists for the following school year go out in December, usually a week or so before Christmas. With two kids in high school, and the schools using "updated" versions of the texts every second year or so, as well as different schools using different texts...... it basically breaks down to almost a grand on school books. This doesn't include stationary or uniforms, school fees etc. Right before christmas, finding a grand is not an easy thing to do.
So anyway, this wasn't meant to be a bitch about my lack of funds, it was about a kid being given detention for something that had nothing to do with "misbehaviour" or any other thing that was within her control.
BTW, I've never been able to figure out the quote thingy......... I just hit where it says quote and the stoopid thing screws it up........ bleh![/quote]
Interesting. That's a lot of dough. How's your library system? Can you request a book and be assured of receiving it?
Not really. Some books yes, but since they update the versions there's no guarantee they'll have the latest one. For instance, my son's text book for Humanities is a new version for 2010. So, I couldn't buy it second hand, couldn't borrow a copy coz no one has it yet, so had to purchase it new. I swear the schools are getting kick baks from the publishers or something. And it's not just the money thats an issue, it's the bloody waste! All that paper and ink and stuff. The place where I buy the textbooks states that due to their inability to move the stock, they no longer buy second hand books. They also mention that charities are no longer accepting donations of second hand books. It's crazy!
That sucks. Having to buy books in college was bad enough, but text books having to be bought in high school level schools...crazy. Now, other books, like certain fiction, etc for lit classes makes sense to have to buy though.
When my grandson was in kindergarten one of his classmates got a couple detentions 'cuz the mom wasn't getting her child to school on time. How in the hell is this the kid's fault at that age?? Why is he being punished for something his mom is responsible for? And the worse, at 5 years old, he thinks he is at fault and wrong and there goes a whole lot of self esteem. What does the school hope to accomplish? All they did was cause harm to this child, the fuckers!! I have witnessed this way too many times. The pure ignorance blows me away.
Keep advocating for your child...again it is your job.