talk about propaganda....

Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
edited February 2010 in A Moving Train
don't compete; coexist

what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    unavailable if your not in the states.
    oh well..
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    sorry, bascially a CIA agent did an interview for abc saying a big, bad terrorist was water boarded (forgot his name) once for only 30 seconds and after that he answered every question like he was answering the abc interviewer and they got all this information from him that saved lives....which was repeated by talkings heads like anderson cooper and people at fox news going on about how it was only once and for only 30 seconds and was oh so effective....

    the same CIA agent just wrote a book and on the next to last page he said he was never personally present for any of the interrogation sessions with that terrorist, he was going by what he heard around the halls and the according to the records he was waterboarded something like 84 times in 1 month and the intelligence he gave was pretty questionable. basically the exact opposite of everything he said and was repeated
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.
    +1
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.
    +1


    u know it
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    I agree wasn't George Bush Sr the head of the CIA at one time? It's no wonder they have such ineptitude and such disinformation.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.

    You're an expert I take it?
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.

    You're an expert I take it?

    one ain't gotta be an expert to see it like it is
  • Emma I agree! We have Australia Day, everyone gets all geared up to celebrate how great Australia is. I tend to call it racsist day (for lack of a better word). Why can't we all celebrate world day and Global Humanity Day? Ii guess taht just wouldn't fill our arrogant cups high enough........
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Poor terorists......my heart goes out to them.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?

    That's a big IF because I don't think we'll ever capture him. That said I'd spank him and tell him he's been a bad boy.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?

    How do you know he really did it?
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?
    Not torture.

    Cause if we do, how are we any better?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?

    do what you will, as always,be it torture or anal penetration ... just quit doin it in the name of freedom, liberation and all that shit... try imperialist terror and own up to it for a change
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?

    How do you know he really did it?


    Then who did?
  • unsung wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?

    How do you know he really did it?


    Then who did?

    Kaiser Soze.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    unsung wrote:
    So if Usama bin Laden was captured alive you guys are against extracting information from him by any means possible?

    If you are against it how would you handle questioning him?


    no, because torture is proven to give you unreliable information. they did it to this guy 84 times in a month and got squat from it.

    anyway, the point isn't to argue whether or not to torture, it was to show the media pushed false information and helped to make it seem like it wasn't that bad and worked so well, which turned out to be a lie
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.

    You're an expert I take it?
    you don't have to be an expert to come to that conclusion.

    all they are is a violent gang who call themselves CIA. they are glorified thugs. and now they have blackwater to do their dirty work for them because apparently then, the US "technically" doesn't break international laws. such an insult. they think we are that stupid? what a crock of shit.

    see no evil, hear no evil right?
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Commy wrote:
    figures. the CIA, possibly the most violent and ruthless terrorist organization of all time.

    You're an expert I take it?
    you don't have to be an expert to come to that conclusion.

    all they are is a violent gang who call themselves CIA. they are glorified thugs. and now they have blackwater to do their dirty work for them because apparently then, the US "technically" doesn't break international laws. such an insult. they think we are that stupid? what a crock of shit.

    see no evil, hear no evil right?

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    mb262200 wrote:

    You're an expert I take it?
    you don't have to be an expert to come to that conclusion.

    all they are is a violent gang who call themselves CIA. they are glorified thugs. and now they have blackwater to do their dirty work for them because apparently then, the US "technically" doesn't break international laws. such an insult. they think we are that stupid? what a crock of shit.

    see no evil, hear no evil right?

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!


    al qaeda was created with CIA money
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    mb262200 wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    [quote="OffHeGoes29

    You're an expert I take it?
    you don't have to be an expert to come to that conclusion.

    all they are is a violent gang who call themselves CIA. they are glorified thugs. and now they have blackwater to do their dirty work for them because apparently then, the US "technically" doesn't break international laws. such an insult. they think we are that stupid? what a crock of shit.

    see no evil, hear no evil right?

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!

    al qaeda was created with CIA money

    I’m singing that when the cat’s away

    The mice will play

    Political violence fill your city. Yeah!

    Don’t involve Rasta in your say say

    Rasta don’t work for no C.I.A . Rat race, rat race, rat race, yeah, rat race.



    I’m saying when you think it’s peace and safety

    A sudden destruction

    Collective security for surety. Yeah!

    Don’t forget your history. Know your destiny

    In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty

    Rat race, rat race, rat race, rat race.

    Oh it’s a disgrace to see the human race

    In a rat race, rat race.




    Very deep and hard hitting lyrics from Bob Marley at a time when Jamaica’s political scene was one filled with uncertainty, chaos and blood letting violence.

    The United States Central Intelligence Agency,CIA, was rumored to have aligned themselves to one of Jamaica’s political parties in an attempt to cut down what were seen as Communist elements operating within and aspiring to run the country. Marley constantly criticized this involvement and was said to have placed Bob Marley on the CIA black list for his very critical lyrics.

    Bob Marley’s use of proverbs and Jamaican folklore is displayed yet again in Rat Race ‘when the cats away the mice will play’, ‘in abundance of water the fool is thirsty’. Here Marley with his ageless wisdom advocates a kind of xenophobia when it comes to foreign interference in domestic affairs that is most times driven by a hidden agenda.


    The CIA for years has infiltrated it's power and influence in many less power countries for years and has far more damage to those countries that anything al Queda has done to date.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mb262200 wrote:

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!
    that is exactly what i am saying. i have been saying it for years. covert operations, assassinations, coup de etats, toppling governments and intalling those that cater to our agenda is nothing more than state sponsored terrorism.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    mb262200 wrote:

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!
    that is exactly what i am saying. i have been saying it for years. covert operations, assassinations, coup de etats, toppling governments and intalling those that cater to our agenda is nothing more than state sponsored terrorism.

    well when the cia starts blowing themselves up and rewards themselves by how many innocent victims they have killed let me know ok.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mb262200 wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:

    So now we have people calling the CIA bigger terorists than AlQaida......unbelievable!
    that is exactly what i am saying. i have been saying it for years. covert operations, assassinations, coup de etats, toppling governments and intalling those that cater to our agenda is nothing more than state sponsored terrorism.

    well when the cia starts blowing themselves up and rewards themselves by how many innocent victims they have killed let me know ok.

    you are aware that there are other types of terrorism than suicude bombing right? if you did you would not have said what you just said...

    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    --FBI Definition

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Security/Terrordef.html
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    I am not questioning what terorism is. I am questioning that the American Central Intelligence Agency is the worst terorist organization in the world. That is what you people called it.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mb262200 wrote:
    well when the cia starts blowing themselves up and rewards themselves by how many innocent victims they have killed let me know ok.

    i would say this is indisputable ... whether you want to consider aresenal available to them, deaths, lives altered ... it's for sure the cia ...

    from central america to south america to africa to southeast asia ... someone has to do the dirty work that allows america to be imperialists ...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    polaris_x wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    well when the cia starts blowing themselves up and rewards themselves by how many innocent victims they have killed let me know ok.

    i would say this is indisputable ... whether you want to consider aresenal available to them, deaths, lives altered ... it's for sure the cia ...

    from central america to south america to africa to southeast asia ... someone has to do the dirty work that allows america to be imperialists ...
    +1 polaris, and don't forget about the middle east and the secret black site prisons that the cia has around the world...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited February 2010
    polaris_x wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    well when the cia starts blowing themselves up and rewards themselves by how many innocent victims they have killed let me know ok.

    i would say this is indisputable ... whether you want to consider aresenal available to them, deaths, lives altered ... it's for sure the cia ...

    from central america to south america to africa to southeast asia ... someone has to do the dirty work that allows america to be imperialists ...
    +1 polaris, and don't forget about the middle east and the secret black site prisons that the cia has around the world...


    or that they have admitted to performing experiments on unknowing US and Canadian citizens in the past...

    also, look at bin laden's timeline, before al qaeda he was in another group who we and other countries supported during the soviet invasion in Afghanistan, his work then was setting up training camps, moving supplies and men in and out....then he split from that group and created al qaeda while receving funding from us and other countries, so in a way we helped fund and create al qaeda
    Post edited by Pepe Silvia on
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • WHO is going to police the secret police? and who will police them? It is an endless cycle of us watching them. Ooooh the paranoia!

    open up your books, boys. Let's see what you've been planning and who you've been killing.

    No more secrets in government... it is an endless road of murder and paranoia.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
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