1998 Study Linking Autism to MMR Vaccine Is Retracted

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(Feb. 2) -- The prestigious British medical journal The Lancet retracted a 1998 study linking childhood vaccines to autism today, after an independent investigation found that its lead author acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his research.

"We fully retract this paper from the published record," Lancet editors said in a statement.

The move comes days after the U.K.'s General Medical Council, a government regulatory agency, ruled that Dr. Andrew Wakefield acted improperly during his research. Lancet Editor Richard Horton said he didn't have sufficient evidence to retract the study until the council's independent investigation was complete.

Wakefield, a gastroenterologist who now works in the U.S., is largely held responsible for the widespread panic over vaccinations that led to a surge in children not being immunized against measles, mumps and rubella, for fear that the injections could lead to illness. Following the publication of Wakefield's study, MMR vaccination rates in the U.K. dropped from 92 to 80 percent.

Wakefield, who could lose his U.K. medical license, hasn't backed down from his study's results, and today he described the council's decision as "unfounded and unjust." The doctor is still in the business of autism research: He's the executive director at Thoughtful House, a Texas autism center that's a favorite of anti-vaccination spokeswoman Jenny McCarthy.

Questions about the integrity of his research have been circulating for years. Several subsequent studies have largely discredited Wakefield's results, and 10 of the study's 13 authors have since rejected its results. Last year, reports surfaced that Wakefield "may have altered data" after being paid $1 million to examine autistic children whose parents blamed the MMR vaccine for the illness, according to Slate.com.

Despite the longtime dismissal of the 1998 study by medical professionals, and piles of new research, vaccination debates have continued to rage, with startling health implications for children. In England and Wales, measles rates soared by 80 percent from 2007 to 2008. Here in the U.S, the CDC reports that vaccinations are at an all-time high, but measles outbreaks are at unprecedented levels, largely due to parents who opt out of immunizations.

Thoughtful House didn't return calls for comment, but the CDC has issued a statement to CNN, praising the Lancet's decision:

"It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

The retraction also comes a day after the competing British Medical Journal called for the Lancet to take action. Of the study, commentary authors wrote that "the arguments were considered by many to be proven and the ghastly social drama of the demon vaccine took on a life of its own."

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Here's a link to another article about it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AutismNews/lancet-retracts-controversial-autism-paper/story?id=9730805
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  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    edited April 2011
    It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider


    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    "It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.

    What exactly is it that you know now that disputes the "overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism"?
  • I'll tread softly here... but I think a lot of parents of autistic children noticed "something different" about their child after a vaccination because...well... it FUCKS up the kid for a few days. That little 15 lb pound has a virus pumping through its veins and it isn't fun. My son was sick and just sort of 'stared off into space' after his MMR. I think some parents mistake this as a sudden transition to autism (even though the child had it from birth probably) and go back to that traumatic event as "when our child GOT autism."

    But... hey... that just like... my opinion, man.
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    scb wrote:
    "It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.

    What exactly is it that you know now that disputes the "overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism"?

    Are these the same leading scientists that said a H1N1 pandemic was a sure thing and we all needed to be vaccinated or we would have overwhelming numbers of death and mayhem?
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    scb wrote:
    "It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.

    What exactly is it that you know now that disputes the "overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism"?

    Are these the same leading scientists that said a H1N1 pandemic was a sure thing and we all needed to be vaccinated or we would have overwhelming numbers of death and mayhem?

    Probably not the exact same ones, but I haven't read all the studies. But I think you're misrepresenting the sentiment behind what was said about H1N1 anyway. Are you suggesting we re-open that thread?
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    One could point out that concerning the feared pandemic, they were projecting into the future on several unknowns, but had enough alarm bells ringing that they urged caution. When it comes to children's vaccines, they have had years and decades of time to study them. There's a very big difference between having lots of historical data and studies to draw on, and improvising on the spot in the face of emergency. Here, it will mean that they have studied large groups of children with various variables, and not found any connection between vaccine and autism.

    And they weren't wrong about the pandemic occurring, it just wasn't quite as lethal as they feared. The virus spread, and made many people sick.

    Peace
    Dan
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i think the subtext to this issue is the fact that pharmaceuticals aren't necessarily trustworthy nor the regulatory boards that govern them ... if we knew for a fact that pharmaceuticals all had to due the proper testing before going to market and that the approval agencies also had to do their work without influence ... we'd more inclined to accepting of some drugs/vaccines ... unfortunately, there are enough instances where that is not necessarily the case ... which clouds everything ...
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    polaris_x wrote:
    i think the subtext to this issue is the fact that pharmaceuticals aren't necessarily trustworthy nor the regulatory boards that govern them ... if we knew for a fact that pharmaceuticals all had to due the proper testing before going to market and that the approval agencies also had to do their work without influence ... we'd more inclined to accepting of some drugs/vaccines ... unfortunately, there are enough instances where that is not necessarily the case ... which clouds everything ...


    i watched planet in peril a few weeks ago and according to it, i forget the agency in the US that approves chemicals, but they don't require ANY testing on human interaction with it when they submit it for approval!! :shock:
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  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    Thank you for treading softly......

    Here is my theory on this. When your child is born, before they leave the hospital, they are already getting their first vaccine. Then comes the onslaught of not only one, but three at a time. After the damage is done, I find out through blood testing that my son has an Immune system deficiency. So I belive the MMR fucked up his brain because his body couldn't deal with it. I stopped all vaccinations with my second child at 7 months because there was no way I was going to deal with 2 Autistic children, and there are a lot families in that situation. I believe everyone must use their own instincts on vaccinations and not just get them because the doctor says so. They always make you sign a form that says they're not resposible for anything that happens to your child, yet they us a hard time if we choose not to. I think children should be tested for Immune system deficieny before they get vaccinations so parents can decide what's best for their child.
    I'll tread softly here... but I think a lot of parents of autistic children noticed "something different" about their child after a vaccination because...well... it FUCKS up the kid for a few days. That little 15 lb pound has a virus pumping through its veins and it isn't fun. My son was sick and just sort of 'stared off into space' after his MMR. I think some parents mistake this as a sudden transition to autism (even though the child had it from birth probably) and go back to that traumatic event as "when our child GOT autism."

    But... hey... that just like... my opinion, man.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Here is my theory on this. When your child is born, before they leave the hospital, they are already getting their first vaccine. Then comes the onslaught of not only one, but three at a time. After the damage is done, I find out through blood testing that my son has an Immune system deficiency. So I belive the MMR fucked up his brain because his body couldn't deal with it. I stopped all vaccinations with my second child at 7 months because there was no way I was going to deal with 2 Autistic children, and there are a lot families in that situation. I believe everyone must use their own instincts on vaccinations and not just get them because the doctor says so. They always make you sign a form that says they're not resposible for anything that happens to your child, yet they us a hard time if we choose not to. I think children should be tested for Immune system deficieny before they get vaccinations so parents can decide what's best for their child.

    Interesting. I would think that for people with weak immune systems it would be even more beneficial to get vaccinated than for those with healthy immune systems, given the higher risk involved if they do get sick. :?
  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    I wish these so called leading scientists would figure out what the hell is cauing it.
    scb wrote:
    "It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.

    What exactly is it that you know now that disputes the "overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism"?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I have never found the data linking vaccines to autism to be terribly convincing. There are more studies that fail to detect such a link than there are those that do, and now, one of the big studies that DID find a link apparently included false data. And this is coming from someone who is stanchly anti-pharma corporation. These companies market drugs that probably make a fair number of people worse rather than better (especially in the mental health realm), they advocate taking "dirty" meds with many different neurochemical effects for fairly minor adjustment disorders and other mental conditions for which meds probably aren't necessary (as opposed to developing "clean" meds with very specific modes of action), and they generally put profit before health. I do think that more studies of the effects of vaccines on the nervous systems of newborns are needed. All that said, vaccines save lives the world over, and this autism link appears to be (largely) spurious. The causes of autism remain poorly understood, although data to date suggest that various brain regions are maldeveloped in autism, and that genetics probably play one role in its development. Its not "all genetic", but as is often the case, some people appear to be exceptionally vulnerable to developing autism given the right set of environmental circumstances. Vaccination is one possible candidate environmental event, but its a poorly-supported one at this time. Ending all vaccinations of kids is a premature knee-jerk reaction.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    I wish these so called leading scientists would figure out what the hell is cauing it.
    scb wrote:
    "It builds on the overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism. We want to remind parents that vaccines are very safe and effective and they save lives. Parents who have questions about the safety of vaccines should talk to their pediatrician or their child's health care provider."

    99 out of 100 pediatricians will tell you to get the vaccine and probably don't have a child with Autism. If I new then what I know now, I would never have given my Autistic child the MMR vaccine.

    What exactly is it that you know now that disputes the "overwhelming body of research by the world's leading scientists that concludes there is no link between MMR vaccine and autism"?

    Well I'm with you on that one!
  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    Most parents have seen their child take the downward spiral from 18 to 24 months. I do worry about my second child not being fully vaccinated, but knowing he won't be autistic out weighs all this. As with any mental disabilty, it fucks up your life, can destroy your marriage(which it did mine), plus it makes you never want to have children again.

    Pearl Jam is one of the positives in life.
  • I've seen a reply to this all over the alternative media. The statement is from Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey. Whenever I see celebrities associated with a "cause" it makes me turn away. I have never looked at their website until now. But I've been hearing for a few years now, in the mainstream media, that McCarthy actually CURED her son of autism. So I imagine she knows what the hell she is talking about:
    http://www.generationrescue.org/wakefield_statement2.html
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • Big Pharma purchased wisely on this. I have found it very interesting that they have convinced the Lancet Journal of Medicine to recant, even though there was sufficient evidence to support what Dr Wakefield discovered. The gut and a live virus, even though is was "attenuated". MMMMM? This is an utter travesty! Dr Wakefield will continue his outstanding work here in the states and presumably force "scientist" to wake up and see where exactly they get thier handouts. I have yet and will continue to bypass all vaccinations for my children. The risks definitely do not outweigh the benefits. Ask yourself this, How come it is more prevalent in males? Multiples? The first born? Parents with a history of dental work that involves amalgan fillings? Parents who eat typical western diet? So we can't place the blame on one vaccine, but does it really help? I would rather have measles, mumps, and rubella over luekemia, colon cancer, autism, just to name a few. By the way, if you read the article in the NY Times, it was right under the story of the woman who's cancer cells would not die and the "scientist" used these exact same cells in vaccines for polio and the flu. Injected cancer cells into unknowing individuals. (that would not die!!!!) Now that is science at its best. If you want to learn more about why cancer lives on in a test tube, see video of Dr Soto at Tufts University. It will make your stomach turn. And you want vaccines in your kids? Thank you no, but I'll pass. If our doctors are doings such a service, why is our country slowly getting fatter, dumb'ehr, and living shorter lives? Just curious.

    Peace

    As crazy as I may sound, I am more scientific than conspiracy theorist.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Most parents have seen their child take the downward spiral from 18 to 24 months. I do worry about my second child not being fully vaccinated, but knowing he won't be autistic out weighs all this. As with any mental disabilty, it fucks up your life, can destroy your marriage(which it did mine), plus it makes you never want to have children again.

    Pearl Jam is one of the positives in life.

    Here's a purely hypothetical and probably unfair question, and I wouldn't wish either of these fates on anyone's children:

    Would you rather have an autistic, vaccinated child who lives a long life or a "normal," unvaccinated child who dies young from a preventable (by vaccine) illness?

    Just wondering.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    JS81606 wrote:
    Big Pharma purchased wisely on this. I have found it very interesting that they have convinced the Lancet Journal of Medicine to recant, even though there was sufficient evidence to support what Dr Wakefield discovered.

    Would you mind providing your sources, please, showing:

    1. "Big Pharma" convinced the Lancet to recant.
    2. "Big Pharma" convinced the 10 out of 13 other authors to recant previously.
    3. There is sufficient evidence to support what Dr. Wakefield discovered.
    4. Whatever evidence you have that the preponderance of evidence to the contrary should be discounted?

    Thanks.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    I think it's a very sore issue for many.

    The thinking seems to be that "my child can't just suddenly turn autistic. Someone must have done something to it". Especially since it doesnt become all that apparent until the child have grown a little, and it becomes clear that it's different. This is very tough on parents, and my heart go out to them. But they are not exactly objective on the matter.

    What is really the case is that autism, Down's and so forth have heavy genetic components. It's like a friend of my girlfriend who have the "danger genes" running in the family, and she had to DNAtest herself to see if she carried it. If she did, it was 50-50 that her children would have some mental retardation. she was lucky though. The fact that boys are incredibly more likely to be autists also point towards the genetic component, as boys generally have easier for catching genetic maladies due to the Y chromosome. (Insufficient backup in a crisis you might say).

    I worked with autists for years as a part-time job, and all I have seen about it, points towards genes and inheritance first and foremost. My youngest brother also had some signs of Asperger or "autism light" and in the course of that, I really thought about the male side of my father's side of the family, and inheritance really looks like the biggest factor.

    Drug companies are out to make money, make no doubt about it. But I really dont think they would cover up anything like this. Doctors usually are that because they wish to help. They are adamant in the absence of any conclusive evidence though. And now one of the biggest supports for the link seems to be disproved or invalid.

    Also be aware that avoiding vaccines may altogether be a much more dangerous route than the potential harm of a vaccine. Its not like not having them means no risk. It is far more likely to mean more risk than the rare side effects. Many children's diseases we dont see as big deals today, arent big deals because of widespread vaccination. Children are very capable to die of measles for instance.

    I find it unlikely that someone is out to kill us with vaccines on the basis of profit. I generally think greed is overrated as a motive. There are some sociopaths out there, but for them to run an entire organization with thousands of people, and get them all to play along, I don't buy it at all.

    There are risks with evrything. You are continually at risk of developing many diseases, be run over by a truck, hit by a meteorite, who knows. But generally, data shows that vaccination lowers risk of some diseases that otherwise might kill you. (Even if the alarming link was true, the trade-off would be between live autists, or more dead kids on the whole.) So the option is never risk and no risk, it is always more or less risk. Vaccines means overall less risk than not having them. So when I go to South America this summer, I'm gonna load up on vaccines before I go.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • Children are very capable to die of measles for instance.

    From Dr. Tenpenny: "In 1955, the death rate from measles was less than 3 per ten million; that was eight years before the measles vaccination campaign began in 1963." [Here she is referencing Achievements In Public Health 1900-1999 Impact of Vaccines Universally Recommended for Children]

    Looks like vaccination saved us from that killer!
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    Tough question you ask. In my situation having a non-verbal child who will never be able to live independently, I will take my chances with my other child and deal with the vaccines later, after he is fully developed and has a full understanding of the risks on both sides.

    There are many different levels of severity in Autism. My son is some what social and seeks comfort from people. He is not self injurous as many of them are, but went through a bad bout of aggression at age 15.
    He knows a lot of things , but is unable to apply them in daily life.

    For those reading this post, there is an article by Robert F Kennedy Jr called Deadly Immunity you should read. I believe it was in Rolling Stone 2005.

    scb wrote:
    Most parents have seen their child take the downward spiral from 18 to 24 months. I do worry about my second child not being fully vaccinated, but knowing he won't be autistic out weighs all this. As with any mental disabilty, it fucks up your life, can destroy your marriage(which it did mine), plus it makes you never want to have children again.

    Pearl Jam is one of the positives in life.

    Here's a purely hypothetical and probably unfair question, and I wouldn't wish either of these fates on anyone's children:

    Would you rather have an autistic, vaccinated child who lives a long life or a "normal," unvaccinated child who dies young from a preventable (by vaccine) illness?

    Just wondering.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Children are very capable to die of measles for instance.

    From Dr. Tenpenny: "In 1955, the death rate from measles was less than 3 per ten million; that was eight years before the measles vaccination campaign began in 1963." [Here she is referencing Achievements In Public Health 1900-1999 Impact of Vaccines Universally Recommended for Children]

    Looks like vaccination saved us from that killer!
    And what was the death rate afterwards?

    I just pulled measles out of a hat as an example of vaccination. Not the biggest killer perhaps, but something one can do without, and avoid potentially unnecessary deaths. The real vaccination successes in saved lives/avoided maiming are polio and tuberculosis. Read up on those numbers.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Children are very capable to die of measles for instance.

    From Dr. Tenpenny: "In 1955, the death rate from measles was less than 3 per ten million; that was eight years before the measles vaccination campaign began in 1963." [Here she is referencing Achievements In Public Health 1900-1999 Impact of Vaccines Universally Recommended for Children]

    Looks like vaccination saved us from that killer!
    And what was the death rate afterwards?

    I just pulled measles out of a hat as an example of vaccination. Not the biggest killer perhaps, but something one can do without, and avoid potentially unnecessary deaths. The real vaccination successes in saved lives/avoided maiming are polio and tuberculosis. Read up on those numbers.

    Peace
    Dan

    Interesting bit from the other article I linked:
    Still, when the public got word of Wakefield's work, worried parents skipped vaccines, and the percentage of children who were not vaccinated in the United States rose from 0.77 percent in 1997 to 2.1 percent in 2000, according to an article by Dr. Michael Smith in the journal Pediatrics. A similar rise in children not being vaccinated occurred in Britain.

    Although the U.S. Centers for Disease Control declared the United States cleared of measles in 2000, the lower vaccination rate brought back the disease in a 2008 outbreak. At least 131 cases were reported to the CDC, and 11 percent of the cases were hospitalized. A handful of children in Britain died of the measles around the time of the U.S. outbreak.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123494736&sc=17&f=1001

    Autism Risks Detailed In Children Of Older Mothers
    by The Associated Press

    AP - February 8, 2010

    A woman's chance of having a child with autism increase substantially as she ages, but the risk may be less for older dads than previously suggested, a new study analyzing more than 5 million births found.

    "Although fathers' age can contribute risk, the risk is overwhelmed by maternal age," said University of California at Davis researcher Janie Shelton, the study's lead author.

    Mothers older than 40 were about 50 percent more likely to have a child with autism than those in their 20s; the risk for fathers older than 40 was 36 percent higher than for men in their 20s.

    Even at that, the study suggests the risk of a woman over 40 having an autistic child was still less than 4 in 1,000, one expert noted.

    The new research suggests the father's age appears to make the most difference with young mothers. Among children whose mothers were younger than 25, autism was twice as common when fathers were older than 40 than when dads were in their 20s.

    The findings contrast with recent research that suggested the father's age played a bigger role than the mother's. Researchers and other autism experts said the new study is more convincing, partly because it's larger. Older mothers are known to face increased risks for having children with genetic disorders, and genes are thought to play a role in autism.

    The study was released Monday in the February issue of the journal Autism Research.

    Maureen Durkin, a University of Wisconsin researcher who also has studied the influence of parents' age on autism, said it's important to note that the increased risks are small and that most babies born to older mothers do not develop autism.

    Durkin said the overall low risk for autism "may be the most important take-home message," especially for prospective parents

    The study was based on records of all 5.6 million births in California between Jan. 1, 1990 and Dec. 31, 1999, and on cases of autism diagnosed before age 6. That number totaled more than 13,000; the study involved 12,159 autistic children for whom information on both parents' ages was also available.

    The researchers took into account factors that might affect autism diagnosis, including parents' education and race.

    Catherine Lord, director of the University of Michigan's Autism and Communication Disorders Center, said the study is stronger than previous research focusing on paternal age, and "gives us a fuller picture of what is going on."

    Autism is a developmental disorder that involves mild to severe problems with behavior, communication and socializing.

    Recent data suggest about 1 in 100 U.S. children are autistic, a rate that appears to have increased substantially in recent decades. Many experts believe that rise reflects better awareness and a broadening of the definition of autism rather than a true increase in affected children.

    Births to older mothers also have risen in recent years, but that likely only accounts for a small part of the increase in cases, said study co-author and UC-Davis researcher Irva Hertz-Picciotto.

    Dr. Edwin Cook, an autism researcher with University of Illinois at Chicago, offered a novel theory for why autism is more common among children with older parents: Autism is known to run in families and it may be that adults with mild or undiagnosed autism have children at later ages, Cook said.

    The study doesn't include information on autism in adults.

    Copyright 2010 The Associated Press
  • If one is able to contract the disease (measles) and live and heal from it, their risk of colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, liver cancer, bone cancer are significantly lower than those who receive the vaccine (injected). from Amer. J of epidemiology. All infectious diseases were on the decline when the vaccine was introduced. (TRUE!) (Public Health legislation cleaned up the water/ sewers/ etc..) J of infectious disease. Look it up. The entire vaccine concept is based on fear and a paradigm that we are nothing more than weak helpless individuals who are being "attacked" by germs, based on concept called the "germ theory". Why is it then that when they isolate a germ, it is not always present in the disease? How come five men sitting at a table, one sneezes and two get sick, while the other two have total vitality? We are trading common childhood diseases, which we have had for thousands of years to help us evolve on this planet, for an unknown host of much more debilitating diseases. All for conveinence? For all those with a child with ASD (autism spectrum disorder) my heart goes out to you. Secondly, the retraction by the Lancet was money based. Take a look in these medical journals,( I will not list them all as it is not my job to do what you can do for yourself.) some as far back as 1981, where they found a direct link from vaccines and a condition/ syndrome/ neruological deficit, etc.. JAMA 1992, Pediatric Infect Disease 1983,Lancet 1991, (this one concerns the mmr shot and child mortality and attentuated virus to live virus in the gut! HMMMMM? So glad Lancet recanted Dr Wakefield, yet this study done seven years earlier already raised some serious questions. The journals are out there, find them and read them. As for the articles that are pro vaccine, continue reading and read exactly what they find immunologically, neurologically, in these studies. Science seldom connects the dots for us, it is our duty to investigate that which we find offensive and determine if is offensiveness is warranted. In this case, the reasearch, and there is a boat load, says vaccines are one cluprit in the de-evolution of man. Yes they are implicated in a host of other coditions we see today. ASD is just one. Today, ASD 1 in 91, two years ago, 1 in 150, 1998, 1 in 750, 1989, 1 in 1000. Those are not good numbers!

    As far as the doctors who recanted their positions, five are working directly with big pharma. In other words, they are paid, not by you, or me, or the damaged child, but by the manufacturer of the vaccine. Conflict of interest. No. Just criminals. Vist VAERS. Look at he stats. It is mindblowing.


    Peace.
  • London BridgeLondon Bridge USA Posts: 4,733
    Just want to thank everyone for some really good posts.
  • scb wrote:
    Although the U.S. Centers for Disease Control declared the United States cleared of measles in 2000, the lower vaccination rate brought back the disease in a 2008 outbreak. At least 131 cases were reported to the CDC, and 11 percent of the cases were hospitalized. A handful of children in Britain died of the measles around the time of the U.S. outbreak.

    If we were 'clear' of measles, then where did it come from 8 years later?
    It could be like rabies and foot and mouth in animals, where the vaccines for those diseases are keeping it in circulation and causing outbreaks.

    On a different point: Autism is much more prevalent in northern cities where women get less Vitamin D from the sun.

    The Generation Rescue article provided some great reasons for the Wakefield study to be discredited now, all these years later, yeah? Or do you disagree?
    "May you live in interesting times."
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    JS81606 wrote:
    If one is able to contract the disease (measles) and live and heal from it, their risk of colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, liver cancer, bone cancer are significantly lower than those who receive the vaccine (injected). from Amer. J of epidemiology. All infectious diseases were on the decline when the vaccine was introduced. (TRUE!) (Public Health legislation cleaned up the water/ sewers/ etc..) J of infectious disease. Look it up. The entire vaccine concept is based on fear and a paradigm that we are nothing more than weak helpless individuals who are being "attacked" by germs, based on concept called the "germ theory". Why is it then that when they isolate a germ, it is not always present in the disease? How come five men sitting at a table, one sneezes and two get sick, while the other two have total vitality? We are trading common childhood diseases, which we have had for thousands of years to help us evolve on this planet, for an unknown host of much more debilitating diseases. All for conveinence? For all those with a child with ASD (autism spectrum disorder) my heart goes out to you. Secondly, the retraction by the Lancet was money based. Take a look in these medical journals,( I will not list them all as it is not my job to do what you can do for yourself.) some as far back as 1981, where they found a direct link from vaccines and a condition/ syndrome/ neruological deficit, etc.. JAMA 1992, Pediatric Infect Disease 1983,Lancet 1991, (this one concerns the mmr shot and child mortality and attentuated virus to live virus in the gut! HMMMMM? So glad Lancet recanted Dr Wakefield, yet this study done seven years earlier already raised some serious questions. The journals are out there, find them and read them. As for the articles that are pro vaccine, continue reading and read exactly what they find immunologically, neurologically, in these studies. Science seldom connects the dots for us, it is our duty to investigate that which we find offensive and determine if is offensiveness is warranted. In this case, the reasearch, and there is a boat load, says vaccines are one cluprit in the de-evolution of man. Yes they are implicated in a host of other coditions we see today. ASD is just one. Today, ASD 1 in 91, two years ago, 1 in 150, 1998, 1 in 750, 1989, 1 in 1000. Those are not good numbers!

    As far as the doctors who recanted their positions, five are working directly with big pharma. In other words, they are paid, not by you, or me, or the damaged child, but by the manufacturer of the vaccine. Conflict of interest. No. Just criminals. Vist VAERS. Look at he stats. It is mindblowing.


    Peace.

    I was going to reply, and then I realized you're the same person who hasn't answered my questions from your other post. You conspiracy-theorist folks really scare me.

    I'd just like to point out, in all your attempts (with zero proof to back it up) to discredit research as being invalid because it's supposedly driven by money motives, that one of the many reasons THIS study was discredited was because the author not only falsified his research methods, but also because he had a direct profit motive to do so. How can you say profit motives which are unproven invalidate research but profit motives which are proven don't?? :roll: Seriously??? :roll: :? :(

    Edit to add: If you're going to throw around "sources" as if to lend validity to your argument, you've got to cite your sources better and be more clear about what statements you're referencing. Otherwise people can't follow your source. But I have a feeling that was your intention all along.
  • Thanks for the label. Do I need to send you the article myself? Go to pubmed, spend the $ to research on your own. I gave you journals to start with and from there, do the math. If you would like the names of the doctors who recanted and said the research was flawed, take the names, do a search, and WOW! I'll be a monkeys uncle, they have other positions whereby they are reimbursed for their input to pharma. Conflict of interest? NO! Here is the simple matter, your questions are easliy answered by you. You believe one thing, and most undoubtedly spent more time researching your ipod than the shots you had, gave your child if you have one or whatever you feel needs t be injected with chemicals to sustain life. Now that is a oxymoron. Chemicals = Life. If I pay others to research for me, and they in turn send me articles, why can't you do the same? Get off your duff and read, it is quite liberating. I'll continue to watch as this country continues to spiral downward with all the new illnesses we give our kids. Austism, 1:91, (read as one in ninety-one) Here, Lancet 1991, the research took place in Senegal. Key words will help. If the live measles virus found in the intestines of the children Dr Wakefield happened there by chance, how come they were not present in the children without the vaccine. why was each child with the virus found, found to have a reactive IgE with skin abrasion? I thought those immune responses quieted after the infection was killed off. But no here, Why? What irrefutable evidence other than opinions did these doctors give. Why did Mr Horton not give any evidence other than buggish statements saying Dr Wakefield was unjustified in how he approached the research. His parameters did not meet the four rules of objective science? What do you have that supports vaccine that is so conclusive that a blind monkey coud see the truth? Nothing! There are not independent studies not linked to big pharma. All indpendent studies are withheld as invalid. Check with CDC, they concur.
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    So what I hear you saying is:

    1. "My 'return' key is broken & I have no ability to create paragraphs."

    2. "I am unable to provide specific, properly-cited sources to back up my claims, so I'll just insult you instead."
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