Are humans really the only being that knows it will die?

Hammerdonkey

Okay, I agree with all of you. Humans can't control themselves sexually and instead of making the personal decision to limit yourself to X amount of procreating for the purpose of preserving resources, we should be wiped off the earth by an asteroid before our population gets out of control.

We are all worthless cocksuckers. Humans don't offer anything positive to this planet. We're filthy and to be honest, we're viruses like we are taught in the classic film The Matrix. We do have a problem with creating lives that are built to do nothing but destroy the globe from the inside out.

Thank you for helping me see the light. Humans are arrogant walking piles of shit. I feel better admitting that to myself. I'll still eat animals but I won't make any more children.

Idea : All males should have FREE vasectomies (vasectomys?) by age 30???

Anyway, people suck.

decides2dream

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Okay, I agree with all of you. Humans can't control themselves sexually and instead of making the personal decision to limit yourself to X amount of procreating for the purpose of preserving resources, we should be wiped off the earth by an asteroid before our population gets out of control.

We are all worthless cocksuckers. Humans don't offer anything positive to this planet. We're filthy and to be honest, we're viruses like we are taught in the classic film The Matrix. We do have a problem with creating lives that are built to do nothing but destroy the globe from the inside out.

Thank you for helping me see the light. Humans are arrogant walking piles of shit. I feel better admitting that to myself. I'll still eat animals but I won't make any more children.

Idea : All males should have FREE vasectomies (vasectomys?) by age 30???

Anyway, people suck.

ya know, there's a whoolllllleeeeeee middle-ground between all of this, and yea...outside of eyed, i don't even see anyone remotely suggesting this. tho sure, some people suck.

tho i must say, i do give a :thumbup: to free vasectomies. they are a wonderful, wonderful thing.
and hey, dunk will let you know...they're 'free' in the UK. here, you just need good insurance, a $30 co-pay...and yea...a guy with balls enough to do it. (pun intended)

eyedclaar

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Okay, I agree with all of you. Humans can't control themselves sexually and instead of making the personal decision to limit yourself to X amount of procreating for the purpose of preserving resources, we should be wiped off the earth by an asteroid before our population gets out of control.

We are all worthless cocksuckers. Humans don't offer anything positive to this planet. We're filthy and to be honest, we're viruses like we are taught in the classic film The Matrix. We do have a problem with creating lives that are built to do nothing but destroy the globe from the inside out.

Thank you for helping me see the light. Humans are arrogant walking piles of shit. I feel better admitting that to myself. I'll still eat animals but I won't make any more children.

Idea : All males should have FREE vasectomies (vasectomys?) by age 30???

Anyway, people suck.

C'mon Donkey, no need for that. People could be beautiful, and often times are, inside and out. I like you despite your pro human ways. We are just very short-sighted and eventually we will pay for that trait. It's not like I'm happy we suck so bad... it breaks my heart.

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

btw - there are plenty of examples of humans NOT doing those things, at all. unfortunately, quite the opposite sometimes.

and so with animals... bull seals don't know their own fathers. Pigs will let their weakest runts die...

human beings are the most intelligent species on this earth, people need to stop pretending otherwise... of course there are 6 billion of us so there are bound to be some complete morons

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

btw - there are plenty of examples of humans NOT doing those things, at all. unfortunately, quite the opposite sometimes.

and so with animals... bull seals don't know their own fathers. Pigs will let their weakest runts die...

human beings are the most intelligent species on this earth, people need to stop pretending otherwise... of course there are 6 billion of us so there are bound to be some complete morons

as for the animal parents vs. human parents....i would suggest with animals it is purposeful and inherent to their species, whereas we humans don't all follow the same patterns. most animals would leave their ill offspring to die, whereas some humans would, some wouldn't. an animal would never purposely leave a healthy offspring to die, would fight to protect it...whereas human beings often do such things. we can go back and forth with examples, it doesn't much matter. point is, it's not just about who's most intelligent or who is 'superior'.......only we seem to care about that.



who pretended otherwise?
:?


just b/c we may be THE most intelligent, doesn't make the other intelligences of less importance. i think that is what many of us were discussing. being the most intelligent, in the grand scheme of things, is not the end-all, be-all...doesn't make us more "important" or more valuable to life on earth, etc.

we're quite far afield of the initial thread topic in any case. and for that, i still stand by my answer. yes, indeed, most animals are WELL aware of life and death, the cyle of life. i can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

Hammerdonkey

Let's just get this clear. Humans are clearly the smartest species of all creation. That's just not even debatable. To argue otherwise is just stupid. Yes, I'm aware that whales have sonar senses. Dolphins communicate underwater with high pitched squeals. Walruses have tremendous dicks. Humans split the atom. Game over.

Animals do operate on a more efficient level than humans. It's true that we suck up the resources around us (that we need and don't need). Animals have more of an acceptable natural behavior. When they murder, it's for survival. When we do it, it's for hate primarily. I don't know what to think. We all have our good and bad. Imagine giving birth to a baby only to have your neighbor come and eat it, but hey, he's trying to survive so it's okay. They probably don't have the personal attachment we have to our young. I just know that if someone harmed one of my children, I would do some things I wouldn't do otherwise and in the eyes of the law, I'd still be punished for taking matters in my hands (but it would be understood why I did it).

True : The earth would be okay without us...but, there wouldn't be internet porn and that's no kind of life. I vote for humans and masturbation.

Thanks.

Austicman

It's well documented that Elephants mourn their dead. So I'm sure they understand the concept of death. As for all the other animals on the planet who knows.

StillHere

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Let's just get this clear. Humans are clearly the smartest species of all creation. That's just not even debatable. To argue otherwise is just stupid. Yes, I'm aware that whales have sonar senses. Dolphins communicate underwater with high pitched squeals. Walruses have tremendous dicks. Humans split the atom. Game over.

Animals do operate on a more efficient level than humans. It's true that we suck up the resources around us (that we need and don't need). Animals have more of an acceptable natural behavior. When they murder, it's for survival. When we do it, it's for hate primarily. I don't know what to think. We all have our good and bad. Imagine giving birth to a baby only to have your neighbor come and eat it, but hey, he's trying to survive so it's okay. They probably don't have the personal attachment we have to our young. I just know that if someone harmed one of my children, I would do some things I wouldn't do otherwise and in the eyes of the law, I'd still be punished for taking matters in my hands (but it would be understood why I did it).

True : The earth would be okay without us...but, there wouldn't be internet porn and that's no kind of life. I vote for humans and masturbation.

Thanks.

Well, there ya go...the highlighted text pretty much says it all.

Humans split the atom...game over. Yup..BOOM..game over. Sooner or later.

That makes us smart? Intelligent yes, smart? Not so much. In my book there is a difference.

ANYWAY weren't we talking about whether or not animals other than humans know that they will die?

Seems all humans, at least the ones here..including me...suffer from ADD...since none of us can stick to the gist of a conversation to save our own lives.

Just sayin'...

Anyway...yes..my humble opinion, as previously stated... is that they do realize they will die. Yes.

musicismylife78

i think if anyone has read Ishmael, it could be argued, in fact one of the main cruxes of the book is that humans think everything started with them, ie, you ask a human being "when did life begin"-this human will tell you this elaborate story, and it will end at the time when humans are born, or when humans as a species started to exist. Thus inherent is this idea that humans are smarter, wiser, more advanced than anything or anyone.

However, one can make a very coherent case that the natives 10,000 years ago were much more advanced than we are in 2010, and by god, they didnt have...gasp...tvs, cell phones, computers, the internet, and on and on.

And animals are often thought of, as being dumb, stupid, or not as intelligent as humans. Again, I cited an example of animal intelligence that dwarfs human intelligence, and that is the sense that animals have, in that they can tell ahead of time, that a hurricane, earthquake or tsunami is coming, and can escape, humans cant do this.

I am not a scientist and I dont pretend to know what goes on in humans brains, much less animals brains

Hammerdonkey

Holy shit. You're right. I never answered the thread question.

No. They don't know.

Sorry for getting off topic. Okay, problem solved. Take care.

Heatherj43

I thought I posted this, but can't find it...so...
Humans seem to be in great denial about their own mortality. We like to fool ourselves into thinking we won't die! We spend our young years in training for our future, then we spend many years working and raising a family, still planning our future, but then we are in that future. What now? That is the time when we really realize we do die. We no longer plan out our future, we are in it. All we can do is hope that it is as comfortable as it can be.

I am now at a point in my life where I realize I really need to think about my own mortality. Both my parents have dementia/alzheimers. One has the classic case of alzheimers, but my mom is just crazy! She is regressing quickly. Just 2 weeks ago she seemed to be like a 6 year old, now she is like a 3 to 4 year old. She spilt some coffee and was scrared that her caretaker would be mad and wanted me to do something. It was just a teaspoon full and she did not know how to wipe it up. She didn't even know how to try. She has had periods of time that she did not she had a name, nor that people had names at all. At those times, she is like 2 years old or less.
Now, do I really want to live long enough to be like them? HELL NO!! So, here is my dilemna, people, doctors, etc. all say we need to do this and that to keep healthy. I question why? My dad is very healthy and it his enemy! It seems it is my mom's also. They did do the things to live a long life, but that is forcing them to live as they do!
I do not want to live a long life, only to be stuck like that. I do not want to be waiting to die and death won't come, all because I kept myself healthy.
Their illnesses are genetic to boot! Longevity runs in both families also. Yep, I have a lot to look forward to. So, I am out of my denial about my mortality. I know I will die. But I have decided I will die on my time. I will not do the things I could do in order to give me a few more years. Why? I don't want THOSE years. I want the ones I am living now. I am not living today thinking about my future. I am living as if I am in my future. I am doing things as if I am in my future. I do not want my future.
Yep, I am going to die. I will not try to extend my time. To me, to try and extend the time, is trying to beat death. WE cannot beat death. It will catch us sooner or later. Any time I may earn extra is not worth ruining today. I see my future in my parents eyes. They say to me, go live and don't worry about whether I can gain a year here or there by how I live my life, just go and live it. The extra time isn't that valuable and can be an enemy. Death can be a blessing.
I have told my loved ones that when I die, do not be sad, that I have had a full and satisfying life. I am now in my future and just living out my days, one at a time. I know I don't want too many of them.

dunkman

musicismylife78 wrote:

And animals are often thought of, as being dumb, stupid, or not as intelligent as humans. Again, I cited an example of animal intelligence that dwarfs human intelligence, and that is the sense that animals have, in that they can tell ahead of time, that a hurricane, earthquake or tsunami is coming, and can escape, humans cant do this.

And animals are often thought of, as being dumb, stupid, or not as intelligent as humans. ... There is a reason for this. They are often though of as not being as intelligent as us because they quite simply aren't.


and thats only one thing... and its a sense, probably due to some change in atmospheric pressure or something. But we have, for all our stupidity, invented a machine which can almost predict earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, etc... so whilst we have lost or never had that one 'intelligent' instinct we overcame it using our vastly superior intellect.

so a sheep knows when its going to get windy... is that such a big deal? It still runs away when a farmer makes a big clappy sound.. thousands of years of farmers making them move into pens via the use of whistling and a dog... have the stupid fuckers never worked out that the dog won't touch them? :thumbup:

dcfaithful

musicismylife78 wrote:

i think if anyone has read Ishmael

I honestly believe this is a must read for all of us.