Huh, I thought the US was the only place...

dunkman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

America is the most racist country in the Western world imo.

eyedclaar

dunkman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

America is the most racist country in the Western world imo.

Come out to Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana and ask 10 people about Obama. What you won't hear is clear, concise political commentary. What you will hear is the word "nigger" from about half of them. Obama brought the N-word back to my neck of the woods. Of course, the dip shits here also believe that wolves attack people, despite the fact that it has never happened once in recorded history.

Pepe Silvia

dunkman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

America is the most racist country in the Western world imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5dbxPO8cU

dunkman

Pepe Silvia wrote:

dunkman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

America is the most racist country in the Western world imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5dbxPO8cU

Israel isnt in the west.

Pepe Silvia

dunkman wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

dunkman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

America is the most racist country in the Western world imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5dbxPO8cU

Israel isnt in the west.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChKAdp4i2M the uk police were found to be institutionally racist? hmm and they would report racist murders as sucide like a 'paki' found dead after his friends and family tried to report they were just attacked (i say tried because the police refused to do anything and told them to go home) or 2 black guys found hanged within 6 months of each other and the 1st one had nigger painted on his house and was told he was a 'dead nigger' and the 2nd after his nephew started asking questions when the police refused to investigate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVoB6Ep-Xxc nice little scottish chant ''The famines over ~ why don't you go home?''

though, i guess scotland is at least accepting their racism problems since they had to make a campaign about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxp3lidMAus

and yes, i'm aware places like la have/had very racist cops, my point is there is plenty of racism to go around

also, i wonder what the reaction would be in those countries if a black man was close to being pm?

rebornFixer

Pepe Silvia wrote:

[quote="and yes, i'm aware places like la have/had very racist cops, my point is there is plenty of racism to go around

also, i wonder what the reaction would be in those countries if a black man was close to being pm?

Indeed ... I mean, enough people voted for a mixed race candidate in the U.S. to make it an honest-to-gosh reality. As much as racism still exists, one kinda has to concede that there's been a beneficial shift of some sort in the American fabric, if indeed such a thing has happened. Its easy to bash Americans for having a really sketchy history of racial policies; people like dunkman seem to take some sort of pleasure in doing so. The reality is that bad history can change (albeit slowly) into something more progressive ... If nothing else, there is now an overt anti-racism stance that permeates American culture. Not everyone is on board (and that goes for some blacks too!), but compared to the 1920s or 1930s? Racism has, in a way, been driven underground. Its become more covert, and this means that there is still work to do. Nevertheless, an overt stance against racism is a pretty good start. There are parts of the world where no one (or few) even questions prejudice based on group membership.

dunkman

Pepe Silvia wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVoB6Ep-Xxc nice little scottish chant ''The famines over ~ why don't you go home?''

though, i guess scotland is at least accepting their racism problems since they had to make a campaign about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxp3lidMAus

also, i wonder what the reaction would be in those countries if a black man was close to being pm?

ehhhh... Irish isnt a race... it's a nationality... it was white people in scotland shouting abuse about white people from Ireland... it is as moronic as it sounds but it cant be racism if they are the same race!!

but i already said in my first post in this thread that all countries will have an element of racism, so pointing them out to me is kinda futile.. but the OP has made a thread in which one incident of Italian racism and provocation is some sort of rebuttal for the racism still very much prevalent in his own country.

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

The reality is that bad history can change (albeit slowly) into something more progressive

True. Norman Finkelstein makes a good point about Germany when he says that "It's a real paradox that...it was Nazism and the defeat of Nazism, that finally knocked sense into that society. And post-war Germany, the Germany of today...the young people are by far and away the most morally serious, most intelligent of all the European countries".

JD Sal

cincybearcat wrote:

with a Race problem...or an immigrant issue...or a gun problem...

Guess not.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01 ... index.html

This doesn't surprise me one bit.

My in-laws were born in Italy and my wife and I have been there a couple of times. My father-in-law told me a story the last time we were there about a guy from his hometown that killed his daughter's boyfriend because he was black. It's an unwritten rule in this town that you do not date black people, otherwise, there will be trouble.

Italians love Americans (go figure), but black people...yeah, not so much.

Pepe Silvia

dunkman wrote:

ehhhh... Irish isnt a race... it's a nationality... it was white people in scotland shouting abuse about white people from Ireland... it is as moronic as it sounds but it cant be racism if they are the same race!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people

The Irish people (Irish: Muintir na hÉireann, na hÉireannaigh, na Gaedheil) are a Western European ethnic group who originate in Ireland, in north western Europe. Ireland has been populated for around 9,000 years (according to archaeological studies), with the Irish people's earliest ancestors recorded[8]

http://www.rense.com/politics6/irishrace.htm

Geneticists Show That Irish Are A Race Apart
LONDON (Reuters) - Irish geneticists have used surnames and the male Y chromosome to reconstruct a one thousand year-old genetic map of Ireland that shows the Irish really are a race apart.

"When you look at this old genetic geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the country) we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome," Daniel Bradley told Reuters.

:P

dunkman wrote:

but i already said in my first post in this thread that all countries will have an element of racism, so pointing them out to me is kinda futile.. but the OP has made a thread in which one incident of Italian racism and provocation is some sort of rebuttal for the racism still very much prevalent in his own country.

yes and then you ended it by implying the US was worse

and then in your 2nd reply 4 min later you outright said it was the most racist country in the west.

while i'm not trying to argue there wasn't a lot of racism and still is we at least elected a person who is 1/2 black as president, how many other countries in the west have done that? i guarantee you if some of the other countries in the west did there would be similar youtube videos calling that candidate similar names.

i doubt if 2 black men were found hanging 6 months apart, both related and 1 had racial slurs painted on his house and had his life threatened a few years ago in the US the police would just shrug and say both were suicides. what criteria are you using to judge the most racist country in the west?

Pepe Silvia

interestingly enough i found this article

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/od ... ern-world/

The Most Racist Country in the Western World

Or homophobic, or xenophobic, or anti-semitic.

It's been said that industrialized nations are becoming more intolerant of foreigners, and a provocative new paper in the August issue of Kyklos tries to quantify just how bigoted Western nations are. (Free version of the paper is here.)

The paper's authors used responses from a question in the Human Beliefs and Values Survey -- a twice-a-decade survey of social and political attitudes around the world -- which asked respondents how they would feel about living next to: People of different ethnicities, Muslims, Jews, immigrants or foreign workers, and homosexuals.

The researchers used these answers as a proxy for bigotry in each country. (The survey took place in 1999-2000).

And the most prejudiced country? Drumroll please...

Northern Ireland with an estimated 44 percent of its population saying they wouldn't want to live next to one of the above five groups took the top "prize." Breathing down it's neck was Greece with 43.2 percent and at 37.6 percent Italy rounded out the top three.

The least bigoted nations were dominated by Scandinavian countries: Sweden (13.4%), the Netherlands (17.2%), Iceland (18.4%), Canada (21.5%), Denmark (21.9%).

(Germany joins the ranks of the most bigoted nations using an alternative measure based on how strong bigoted feelings were among those who had them, the researchers found.)

The United States was estimated to have a 30.4 percent level of bigotry.

On average, about one out of every three people in the 19 countries used in the study were bigoted.

By far the most hated group were homosexuals with an overall average of 19.6 percent of people saying they wouldn't want them as neighbors. Next up were Muslims with 14.5 percent, but since the survey was taken before September 11th, those results might be much different today.

Click the drop-down menu below to look at how each country stacks up in the different categories:

redrock

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Northern Ireland with an estimated 44 percent of its population saying they wouldn't want to live next to one of the above five groups took the top "prize." :

Just had a very quick look.... Northern Ireland - sample size: 1000. Population of Northern Ireland: approx 1.8million. I'm sure that this sample of 0.0005% of the entire population really represents their views.
It's a bit like 89% of women think l'Oreal hair dye makes their hair shinier (or something like that!).

I didn't bother checking the rest.

Pepe Silvia

redrock wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Northern Ireland with an estimated 44 percent of its population saying they wouldn't want to live next to one of the above five groups took the top "prize." :

Just had a very quick look.... Northern Ireland - sample size: 1000. Population of Northern Ireland: approx 1.8million. I'm sure that this sample of 0.0005% of the entire population really represents their views.
It's a bit like 89% of women think l'Oreal hair dye makes their hair shinier (or something like that!).

I didn't bother checking the rest.

that sample size of that poll saying afghans want us there was only 1,500

redrock

Pepe Silvia wrote:

redrock wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Northern Ireland with an estimated 44 percent of its population saying they wouldn't want to live next to one of the above five groups took the top "prize." :

Just had a very quick look.... Northern Ireland - sample size: 1000. Population of Northern Ireland: approx 1.8million. I'm sure that this sample of 0.0005% of the entire population really represents their views.
It's a bit like 89% of women think l'Oreal hair dye makes their hair shinier (or something like that!).

I didn't bother checking the rest.

that sample size of that poll saying afghans want us there was only 1,500

.... population over 12 million.

All these polls are nonsense.

Pepe Silvia

redrock wrote:

All these polls are nonsense.

well, i won't argue with you on that

dunkman

Pepe Silvia wrote:

dunkman wrote:

ehhhh... Irish isnt a race... it's a nationality... it was white people in scotland shouting abuse about white people from Ireland... it is as moronic as it sounds but it cant be racism if they are the same race!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people

The Irish people (Irish: Muintir na hÉireann, na hÉireannaigh, na Gaedheil) are a Western European ethnic group who originate in Ireland, in north western Europe. Ireland has been populated for around 9,000 years (according to archaeological studies), with the Irish people's earliest ancestors recorded[8]

http://www.rense.com/politics6/irishrace.htm

Geneticists Show That Irish Are A Race Apart
LONDON (Reuters) - Irish geneticists have used surnames and the male Y chromosome to reconstruct a one thousand year-old genetic map of Ireland that shows the Irish really are a race apart.

"When you look at this old genetic geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the country) we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome," Daniel Bradley told Reuters.

:P

Irish isnt a race. They are white-european. You'll never convince me or the National Census otherwise. :thumbup:


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Pepe Silvia wrote:

yes and then you ended it by implying the US was worse

and then in your 2nd reply 4 min later you outright said it was the most racist country in the west.

while i'm not trying to argue there wasn't a lot of racism and still is we at least elected a person who is 1/2 black as president, how many other countries in the west have done that?

faced with either the option of Obama or a member of the cast of Cocoon 9... then i reckon most countries would have went with Obama

rebornFixer

dunkman wrote:

Irish isnt a race. They are white-european. You'll never convince me or the National Census otherwise. :thumbup:

You're right, and if you want to get technical about it, most anthropologists only recognize three "races" (caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid). The Irish could very well be a distinct bloodline, though, which would be a much more specific social grouping than the hugely broad (and potentially kinda useless) concept of "race".

Heatherj43

That's an awful story. I don't think the US is that bad. Every black person had to leave that town? WTF!