Poll: 7 in 10 Afghans support US forces

gimmesometruth27

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

i was not born yet but i know it happened.

as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

i was not born yet but i know it happened.

as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...

I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I guess that all depends if Sadam was ruling America, and we were over there, so then we would be coming here to get rid of Sadam over here.

you did not answer my question. if we had the exact same government we do today, the exact same situation in this country as we do today, and if it were to happen tomorrow morning, would you like it if another country came over here, invaded, destroyed a lot of our resources, cut off your water, power, and heat, destroyed your government, killed your relatives, rounded up your friends and took them to gitmo for 7 years without charges or trial, and decided to occupy your country for the next 7 years? if you say you are fine with it i know you are lying...because i know how much you love your freedom.

The answer to your question is no, I wouldn't want them to come over here and do that.....even though you make no sense because it is completely different circumstances.

OffHeGoes29

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

i was not born yet but i know it happened.

as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...

Thats a different outcome then Iraq and hopefully A-stan. If we do pull out of there before its done, it will be like Vietnam, but I'm happy our President didn't make that mistake.

OffHeGoes29

Isn't this about a Poll Afghans took anyway?

Byrnzie

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah 1534 afghans is a huge number to ask....

That's a typical sample size. Nothing wrong with it. These types of cluster surveys are used the world over and are relied on by all kinds of organizations for their accuracy.

Byrnzie

mb262200 wrote:

I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

Creating over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees, is nothing to feel proud of my friend.

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

Except the U.S will never allow the Iraqis to freely govern themselves.

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

Creating over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees, is nothing to feel proud of my friend.

i agree with byrnzie. was it worth that cost?

in response to MB 26220's post, i doubt that the people that lost loved ones would agree. AND those celebrations were only in specific regions of iraq, not the whole country like you are implying. what about the people that were kept from the ballot box by the warlords? they did not get who they wanted, there was serious evidence of voter fraud, and if US history is consistent with what it has always been, i would bet that somehow that vote came out in favor of someone our military can manipulate into do ing what is good for US, not necessarily what is good for the people of iraq.

the iraqi people did not choose this war, we chose it for them....BIG BIG BIG difference...

he still stands

"Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va."

translation:

Field work (who picks the questions and the people to question) was done by a company paid by the government to find results the government wanted the public to see.

Time to refill my xanax.

Pepe Silvia

Byrnzie wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

Creating over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees, is nothing to feel proud of my friend.

how many Pakistani's have we displaced lately?

Cosmo

No one has said anything about it being a good thing or a bad thing. So, I'll take a shot.
GOOD:
They like Americans.
Americans will protect them.
They don't have to risk their lives because Americans will.
Americans are paying for everything.
They hope Americans will be there for decades so American taxpayers can foot the bill for their new mosques.
There is a new Budget for the war that is about 708 Billion U.S. tax dollars to be split between them and Iraq.
Americans don't mind an additional 708 billion dollars going overseas because there are no problem in America that require fixing.

BAD:
Can't think of one thing.

Commy

the poll is fucked.



put it in perspective.



and invading army asks the population it has just conquered if they want them there or not. what choice do they have? they say no, they are probably on some watch list, they say yes-what can they do anyway?


of course they say yes, thank you for killing all my friends and burning down my village, now can oyu please fuckoff?

Pepe Silvia

Commy wrote:

the poll is fucked.



put it in perspective.



and invading army asks the population it has just conquered if they want them there or not. what choice do they have? they say no, they are probably on some watch list, they say yes-what can they do anyway?


of course they say yes, thank you for killing all my friends and burning down my village, now can oyu please fuckoff?

it's also being overlooked that that stat is only good for areas away from where the fighting is, as the article states the numbers in support drop in areas where the fighting is and areas where the poppy fields are, which again, is probably because we are helping support 1 of the main heroin traffickers in Afghanistan; President Karzai's brother

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

...I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to..

...
You mean, elections like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100114/ap_ ... raq_allawi
"Iraq's electoral commission on Thursday barred 500 candidates from running in March's parliamentary election, including a prominent Sunni lawmaker, in a decision that is sure to deepen Iraq's sectarian divides.
...
The decision to bar the candidates — most of whom are believed to be Sunni — potentially threatens the country's fragile security because it risks leaving Sunni voters feeling targeted and disenfranchised. "
...
A Shi-ia ruled Iraq... next door to a Shi'ia dominated Iran... in a Sunni dominated Middle East.
So, if the Shi-ites decide to bloc together to form a stronger bloc in the region... an Iran/Iraq alliance is a good thing, right? i mean, with Iraq's oil reserves and Iran's potential nuclear capabilities... and as an added bonus, Iraqi troops trained in warfare by American troops and outfitted with U.S. made weapons systems... they'd be able to compete in the global market and wield militaristic strength in the region.
...
That makes you happy... yeah?

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

Except the U.S will never allow the Iraqis to freely govern themselves.

Germany, Japan, France, Italy, South Korea, Kosovo, Panama, Kuwait, are indepedent, just off the top of my head.

OffHeGoes29

Commy wrote:

the poll is fucked.



put it in perspective.



and invading army asks the population it has just conquered if they want them there or not. what choice do they have? they say no, they are probably on some watch list, they say yes-what can they do anyway?


of course they say yes, thank you for killing all my friends and burning down my village, now can oyu please fuckoff?

I'll keep that in mind next time you post some B.S. article

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Germany, Japan, France, Italy, South Korea, Kosovo, Panama, Kuwait, are indepedent, just off the top of my head.

So you're now trying to pretend that the U.S 'liberated' Iraq, in the same way it helped liberate Nazi occupied Europe?

Laughable.

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Germany, Japan, France, Italy, South Korea, Kosovo, Panama, Kuwait, are indepedent, just off the top of my head.

So you're now trying to pretend that the U.S 'liberated' Iraq, in the same way it helped liberate Nazi occupied Europe?

Laughable.

No...... you said that we are their to control them forever, and like the countries I listed, we aren't there forever.

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Germany, Japan, France, Italy, South Korea, Kosovo, Panama, Kuwait, are indepedent, just off the top of my head.

So you're now trying to pretend that the U.S 'liberated' Iraq, in the same way it helped liberate Nazi occupied Europe?

Laughable.

No...... you said that we are their to control them forever, and like the countries I listed, we aren't there forever.

We'll see.