Poll: 7 in 10 Afghans support US forces

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  • Holy Shit !!!
    I can't believe the AP actually reported somthing positive about Afghanistan for a change.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Holy Shit !!!
    I can't believe the AP actually reported somthing positive about Afghanistan for a change.
    :roll:

    must be a slow news day for doom and gloom in the war on turrurr...

    seriously, if there is something positive to report in that shithole i am sure the media would be fighting each other to break the story first. i am so sick of hearing about how the AP and the rest of the journalists are constantly slagged around here. why lie and paint a rosey picture and present "good news" if there is no good news coming out of there?

    i have poll results for you, 51% of all people are in the majority.... :oops:

    i did not read the whole article. did it give a sample size??
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited January 2010
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Holy Shit !!!
    I can't believe the AP actually reported somthing positive about Afghanistan for a change.
    :roll:

    must be a slow news day for doom and gloom in the war on turrurr...

    seriously, if there is something positive to report in that shithole i am sure the media would be fighting each other to break the story first. i am so sick of hearing about how the AP and the rest of the journalists are constantly slagged around here. why lie and paint a rosey picture and present "good news" if there is no good news coming out of there?

    i have poll results for you, 51% of all people are in the majority.... :oops:

    i did not read the whole article. did it give a sample size??


    The poll of a national random sample of 1,534 Afghan adults was conducted from Dec. 11 to Dec. 23 by ABC News, the BBC and ARD German TV, their fifth since 2005. The poll has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va.

    it also said the numbers are lower in areas with heavy fighting and where the poppy fields are (maybe because we're helping support the main opium smuggler, the president's brother)
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Holy Shit !!!
    I can't believe the AP actually reported somthing positive about Afghanistan for a change.
    :roll:

    must be a slow news day for doom and gloom in the war on turrurr...

    seriously, if there is something positive to report in that shithole i am sure the media would be fighting each other to break the story first. i am so sick of hearing about how the AP and the rest of the journalists are constantly slagged around here. why lie and paint a rosey picture and present "good news" if there is no good news coming out of there?

    i have poll results for you, 51% of all people are in the majority.... :oops:

    i did not read the whole article. did it give a sample size??


    The poll of a national random sample of 1,534 Afghan adults was conducted from Dec. 11 to Dec. 23 by ABC News, the BBC and ARD German TV, their fifth since 2005. The poll has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va.

    it also said the numbers are lower in areas with heavy fighting and where the poppy fields are (maybe because we're helping support the main opium smuggler, the president's brother)

    BTW on more factual news 3 more soldiers were killed in Southern Afghanistan in a firefight. :(

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    yeah 1534 afghans is a huge number to ask.....here is the text of the article. IMO the title of the article rings much more positive than some other aspects of the entie text....what about the 27% or nearly 3/10 that support the insurgents?

    Poll: 7 in 10 Afghans support US forces

    KABUL – Nearly seven in 10 Afghans support the presence of U.S. forces in their country, and 61 percent favor the military buildup of 37,000 U.S. and NATO reinforcements now deploying, according to a poll released Monday.

    Support for U.S. and NATO forces, however, drops sharply in the south and east where the fighting is the most intense, the poll said.

    Nationwide, 10 percent of Afghans support the Taliban, but the insurgents are backed by a higher percent of the population — 27 percent — in the country's southwest, the poll said.

    The poll of a national random sample of 1,534 Afghan adults was conducted from Dec. 11 to Dec. 23 by ABC News, the BBC and ARD German TV, their fifth since 2005. The poll has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va.

    After steep declines in recent years, nearly seven in 10 Afghans also think their nation is headed in the right direction. That's up 30 percent since January 2009. The number of Afghans who expect their lives will be better a year from now also has jumped 20 percentage points from a year ago — to a new high of 71 percent, the poll said.

    Moreover, 61 percent of the Afghans surveyed said they expect the next generation will have a better life — up 14 percent in the past 12 months, according to the poll.

    However, Afghans' views about the direction the nation is headed are gloomier in high-conflict areas, such as Helmand province in the south, the heart of the Afghan poppy trade and the Taliban-led insurgency, the poll said.

    The survey also said that blame is easing on the U.S. and donor nations.

    Overall, 42 percent of Afghans blame the Taliban for the violence — up 27 percent from a year ago. Seventeen percent blame the U.S. and NATO, or the Afghan government or Afghan security forces — down 36 percent from a year ago.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    it should be in the posting guidelines that if you are going to post a link you should comment on the link and post the whole text. that way it does not open the thread up for a for a free-for-all when nobody knows the intent of the poster. also it prevents multiple postings of the text, like we have now in this thread. just something to consider...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Holy Shit !!!
    I can't believe the AP actually reported somthing positive about Afghanistan for a change.
    :roll:

    must be a slow news day for doom and gloom in the war on turrurr...

    seriously, if there is something positive to report in that shithole i am sure the media would be fighting each other to break the story first. i am so sick of hearing about how the AP and the rest of the journalists are constantly slagged around here. why lie and paint a rosey picture and present "good news" if there is no good news coming out of there?

    i have poll results for you, 51% of all people are in the majority.... :oops:

    i did not read the whole article. did it give a sample size??


    The poll of a national random sample of 1,534 Afghan adults was conducted from Dec. 11 to Dec. 23 by ABC News, the BBC and ARD German TV, their fifth since 2005. The poll has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va.

    it also said the numbers are lower in areas with heavy fighting and where the poppy fields are (maybe because we're helping support the main opium smuggler, the president's brother)



    by president's brother i mean karzai, his brother ahmed who has even made calls and had hundreds of pounds at a time of heroin that were confiscated and had it given back!
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    it should be in the posting guidelines that if you are going to post a link you should comment on the link and post the whole text. that way it does not open the thread up for a for a free-for-all when nobody knows the intent of the poster. also it prevents multiple postings of the text, like we have now in this thread. just something to consider...

    I figured the subject block would do....but sure, I'll do it that way next time.
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    bump
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Commy wrote:
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?

    Ah, I see, its lies when it doesn't support your view of the world, but the truth if it does.......
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Commy wrote:
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?

    Ah, I see, its lies when it doesn't support your view of the world, but the truth if it does.......
    na it was a simple question. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered their hometown?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Is this good news or bad news?
    Can someone clue me in?
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Commy wrote:
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?[/quote]

    Ah, I see, its lies when it doesn't support your view of the world, but the truth if it does.......[/quote]
    na it was a simple question. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered their hometown?[/quote]

    I'm good friends with 3, kind of know 7, and dated 2.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Cosmo wrote:
    Is this good news or bad news?
    Can someone clue me in?
    i am confused too... :?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Commy wrote:
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?

    I don't think it has anything to do with conquering. But if we want to ask people how they feel about U.S. entering their teritory.....let's ask Iraq, I don't hear much complaing from over there.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mb262200 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    bump
    lies. how many people do you know would be happy a foreign invader came and conquered them?

    I don't think it has anything to do with conquering. But if we want to ask people how they feel about U.S. entering their teritory.....let's ask Iraq, I don't hear much complaing from over there.
    only because you quit paying attention. its not covered in mainstream media...would you like it if they came over here and took over things?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    I guess that all depends if Sadam was ruling America, and we were over there, so then we would be coming here to get rid of Sadam over here.
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mb262200 wrote:
    I guess that all depends if Sadam was ruling America, and we were over there, so then we would be coming here to get rid of Sadam over here.
    you did not answer my question. if we had the exact same government we do today, the exact same situation in this country as we do today, and if it were to happen tomorrow morning, would you like it if another country came over here, invaded, destroyed a lot of our resources, cut off your water, power, and heat, destroyed your government, killed your relatives, rounded up your friends and took them to gitmo for 7 years without charges or trial, and decided to occupy your country for the next 7 years? if you say you are fine with it i know you are lying...because i know how much you love your freedom.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.
    do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

    i was not born yet but i know it happened.

    as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    edited January 2010
    People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.
    do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

    i was not born yet but i know it happened.

    as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...

    I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).
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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    mb262200 wrote:
    I guess that all depends if Sadam was ruling America, and we were over there, so then we would be coming here to get rid of Sadam over here.
    you did not answer my question. if we had the exact same government we do today, the exact same situation in this country as we do today, and if it were to happen tomorrow morning, would you like it if another country came over here, invaded, destroyed a lot of our resources, cut off your water, power, and heat, destroyed your government, killed your relatives, rounded up your friends and took them to gitmo for 7 years without charges or trial, and decided to occupy your country for the next 7 years? if you say you are fine with it i know you are lying...because i know how much you love your freedom.

    The answer to your question is no, I wouldn't want them to come over here and do that.....even though you make no sense because it is completely different circumstances.
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.
    do you remember the vietnam or civil rights protesting?

    i was not born yet but i know it happened.

    as if the history of this conflict is just going to fade away and in a generation no iraqi is going to know what we did to their country...that will NOT happen...

    Thats a different outcome then Iraq and hopefully A-stan. If we do pull out of there before its done, it will be like Vietnam, but I'm happy our President didn't make that mistake.
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Isn't this about a Poll Afghans took anyway?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yeah 1534 afghans is a huge number to ask....

    That's a typical sample size. Nothing wrong with it. These types of cluster surveys are used the world over and are relied on by all kinds of organizations for their accuracy.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mb262200 wrote:
    I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

    Creating over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees, is nothing to feel proud of my friend.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    People have a short memory, and when these countries are up running themselves...no one will remember the protesting.

    Except the U.S will never allow the Iraqis to freely govern themselves.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    I remeber Iraqis dancing in the streets when Sadam was toppled, I remember them pulling down his statue and cheering, I remember Iraqis going to the ballot box and voting for who they WANTED for the first time instead of who they HAD to. How about making the families of their fallen loved ones feel like they accomplished something(which they did)instead of making them feel like they died for nothing(which they didn't).

    Creating over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees, is nothing to feel proud of my friend.
    i agree with byrnzie. was it worth that cost?

    in response to MB 26220's post, i doubt that the people that lost loved ones would agree. AND those celebrations were only in specific regions of iraq, not the whole country like you are implying. what about the people that were kept from the ballot box by the warlords? they did not get who they wanted, there was serious evidence of voter fraud, and if US history is consistent with what it has always been, i would bet that somehow that vote came out in favor of someone our military can manipulate into do ing what is good for US, not necessarily what is good for the people of iraq.

    the iraqi people did not choose this war, we chose it for them....BIG BIG BIG difference...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • "Field work was done by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va."

    translation:

    Field work (who picks the questions and the people to question) was done by a company paid by the government to find results the government wanted the public to see.

    Time to refill my xanax.
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