baseball hall of fame voting

xavier mcdaniel

And your newest member is Andre Dawson. Just falling short are Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

81

too bad Andre had to play for the Cubs.

norm

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

And your newest member is Andre Dawson. Just falling short are Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

about fucking time!! :thumbup:

tybird

The "spitting' incident probably kept Roberto from being a first ballot......congrats to Andre!!

polaris_x

tybird wrote:

The "spitting' incident probably kept Roberto from being a first ballot......congrats to Andre!!

i don't think so ... i think some voters just didn't want to make him a first ballot guy ...

Cliffy6745

Roberto should be in

blackredyellow

The Hall of Famer voters seem to be the biggest bunch of wishy-washy, self-righteous people in sports.

pjtradeking

I cant wait for 2014 when Greg Maddux is on the ballot...Will be the first 100% vote getter! :-)

JOEJOEJOE

I hope the hawk doesn't lean-in too close to the microphone when he gives his induction speech!

jimed14

pjtradeking wrote:

I cant wait for 2014 when Greg Maddux is on the ballot...Will be the first 100% vote getter! :-)

He probably won't get 100% of the vote.

As someone stated on the MLB network today (paraphrasing) ... "Ted Williams didn't get in on the first ballot, so there are those few that feel no one should ever get in on the first ballot."

I know, I know ... I'm not defending them, just stating what was said.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

I cant wait for 2014 when Greg Maddux is on the ballot...Will be the first 100% vote getter! :-)

He probably won't get 100% of the vote.

As someone stated on the MLB network today (paraphrasing) ... "Ted Williams didn't get in on the first ballot, so there are those few that feel no one should ever get in on the first ballot."

I know, I know ... I'm not defending them, just stating what was said.

No one is going to get 100% of the vote, ever. Just like some asshole voted Miguel Caberea for MVP this year.

jimed14

btw ... whomever said that on MLB Network was wrong as Williams did make it on the first ballot (or maybe they said "if Williams didn't get 100%, than no one should" as he got around 94%), but here are some notables that didn't make it on the first ballot ...

GROVER CLEVELAND ALEXANDER (Third Ballot)
MICKEY COCHRANE (Sixth Ballot)
JOE DiMAGGIO (Fourth Ballot)
JIMMIE FOXX (Seventh Ballot)
HANK GREENBERG (Ninth Ballot)
ROGERS HORNSBY (Fifth Ballot)
CARL HUBBELL (Third Ballot)
NAPOLEON LaJOIE (Second Ballot)
TRIS SPEAKER (Second Ballot)
CY YOUNG (Second Ballot)


Joe fucking DiMaggio ... really?

djjazzy276

Does anyone know what percentage Edgar Martinez received? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I'm really curious if he'll make it in. I feel like he should. I've read the argument that the DH is a lot like the Closer position. A specialty position. Should someone be docked because they only filled a specialty role, even if they were the greatest to ever do that? I don't think so. Edgar hitting that game winning double against the Yankees is just as much of a pressure cooker as a closer coming into a playoff game and shutting down a rally to get a save and win a series. Edgar HOF 2011!

g under p

Randy Johnson just retired, is he an Hall Of Famer? Certainly not a first ballot HOFer....overrated or underrated?

Peace

Cliffy6745

djjazzy276 wrote:

Does anyone know what percentage Edgar Martinez received? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I'm really curious if he'll make it in. I feel like he should. I've read the argument that the DH is a lot like the Closer position. A specialty position. Should someone be docked because they only filled a specialty role, even if they were the greatest to ever do that? I don't think so. Edgar hitting that game winning double against the Yankees is just as much of a pressure cooker as a closer coming into a playoff game and shutting down a rally to get a save and win a series. Edgar HOF 2011!

I think he will get in eventually and should but 36% is a long ways off. Barry Larkin deserves it!

Name – Votes – Pct.
Andre Dawson — 420 — 77.9%
Bert Blyleven – 400 – 74.2%
Roberto Alomar – 397 — 73.7%
Jack Morris – 282 – 52.3%
Barry Larkin – 278 – 51.6%
Lee Smith – 255 – 47.3%
Edgar Martinez – 195 — 36.2%
Tim Raines – 164 – 30.4%
Mark McGwire – 128 — 23.7%
Alan Trammell — 121 – 22.4%
Fred McGriff — 116 – 21.5%
Don Mattingly — 87 – 16.1%
Dave Parker – 82 – 15.2%
Dale Murphy — 63 – 11.7%
Harold Baines — 33 – 6.1%
Andres Galarraga – 22 – 4.1%
Robin Ventura — 7 – 1.3%
Ellis Burks — 2 – 0.4%
Eric Karros — 2 — 0.4%
Kevin Appier — 1 – 0.2%
Pat Hentgen — 1 – 0.2%
David Segui — 1 – 0.2%
Mike Jackson — 0 – 0.0%
Ray Lankford — 0 – 0.0%
Shane Reynolds — 0 – 0.0%
Todd Zeile — 0 — 0.0%

Cliffy6745

g under p wrote:

Randy Johnson just retired, is he an Hall Of Famer? Certainly not a first ballot HOFer.

Peace

Fuck yes he is a HOF'er and a first ballot. No fucking question about it.

300 wins. 5 Cy Youngs. One of the top 3 picthers in the last 25 years with Pedro and Maddux

Edit: Just looked at a few more stats:

3.29 career ERA almost 5,000 Strike outs. 10.6 k's per 9 innings. 4 straight Cy Youngs.

jimed14

djjazzy276 wrote:

Does anyone know what percentage Edgar Martinez received? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I'm really curious if he'll make it in. I feel like he should. I've read the argument that the DH is a lot like the Closer position. A specialty position. Should someone be docked because they only filled a specialty role, even if they were the greatest to ever do that? I don't think so. Edgar hitting that game winning double against the Yankees is just as much of a pressure cooker as a closer coming into a playoff game and shutting down a rally to get a save and win a series. Edgar HOF 2011!

2010 ResultsPlayer Total Votes Percentage
Andre Dawson 420 77.9%
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0%
Ray Lankford 0 0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0%
Todd Zeile 0 0%

LloydXmas

pjtradeking wrote:

I cant wait for 2014 when Greg Maddux is on the ballot...Will be the first 100% vote getter! :-)

first ballot but not 100 percent. He's an amazing pitcher. I saw a game once where he threw 78 pitches for a complete game.

djjazzy276

BabaBooey1979 wrote:

pjtradeking wrote:

I cant wait for 2014 when Greg Maddux is on the ballot...Will be the first 100% vote getter! :-)

first ballot but not 100 percent. He's an amazing pitcher. I saw a game once where he threw 78 pitches for a complete game.

I agree. He was Mr. Efficient. He didn't have the best stuff around, but he used what he had so well. Let us not forget he pretty much had a stranglehold on the Gold Glove award for most of his career.

jimed14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

g under p wrote:

Randy Johnson just retired, is he an Hall Of Famer? Certainly not a first ballot HOFer.

Peace

Fuck yes he is a HOF'er and a first ballot. No fucking question about it.

300 wins. 5 Cy Youngs. One of the top 3 picthers in the last 25 years with Pedro and Maddux

Edit: Just looked at a few more stats:

3.29 career ERA almost 5,000 Strike outs. 10.6 k's per 9 innings.

yeah, he's a no brainer 1st ballot inductee.

As for who got voted for this year ... seriously, who's voting for David Segui?

What the fuck?

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

g under p wrote:

Randy Johnson just retired, is he an Hall Of Famer? Certainly not a first ballot HOFer.

Peace

Fuck yes he is a HOF'er and a first ballot. No fucking question about it.

300 wins. 5 Cy Youngs. One of the top 3 picthers in the last 25 years with Pedro and Maddux

Edit: Just looked at a few more stats:

3.29 career ERA almost 5,000 Strike outs. 10.6 k's per 9 innings.

yeah, he's a no brainer 1st ballot inductee.

As for who got voted for this year ... seriously, who's voting for David Segui?

What the fuck?

Haha yeah, what the fuck? Same with Eric Karros, they must have been really nice to a couple writers.

xavier mcdaniel

I'm glad to see an increase in votes for Jack Morris.

JOEJOEJOE

Hard to believe that Mattingly and Dale Murphy aren't in.

Dave Parker and Alan Trammell are borderline, IMHO.

aNiMaL

Congrats Andre Dawson!! Well deserved!!

Gar will get in, but maybe not for a few years.

xavier mcdaniel

aNiMaL wrote:

Congrats Andre Dawson!! Well deserved!!

Gar will get in, but maybe not for a few years.

Martinez is a hall of famer in my opinion. What he did against the Yankees along with his overall numbers are good enough for me.

Cliffy6745

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Hard to believe that Mattingly and Dale Murphy aren't in.

Dave Parker and Alan Trammell are borderline, IMHO.

As much as I wish Donnie Baseball were in, I am not at all suprised that he isn't. I think he has a chance someday if he has a good managing career..

There are a lot of borderline players on this ballot but I think it is a joke that only Dawson got in.

jimed14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Hard to believe that Mattingly and Dale Murphy aren't in.

Dave Parker and Alan Trammell are borderline, IMHO.

As much as I wish Donnie Baseball were in, I am not at all suprised that he isn't. I think he has a chance someday if he has a good managing career..

There are a lot of borderline players on this ballot but I think it is a joke that only Dawson got in.

Alomar not getting in is pretty inexcusable. And if it's about that spitting incident, let's not foget the antics of Ty Cobb ... hell, even Ted Williams once spit on Sox fans once.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Hard to believe that Mattingly and Dale Murphy aren't in.

Dave Parker and Alan Trammell are borderline, IMHO.

As much as I wish Donnie Baseball were in, I am not at all suprised that he isn't. I think he has a chance someday if he has a good managing career..

There are a lot of borderline players on this ballot but I think it is a joke that only Dawson got in.

Alomar not getting in is pretty inexcusable. And if it's about that spitting incident, let's not foget the antics of Ty Cobb ... hell, even Ted Williams once spit on Sox fans once.

Agreed, there are a lot of players that had questionable behavoir in and it would be absurd if the BBWAA held that against him.

I also think there are a lot of players that had a very low percentage of votes and while they are not necessarily HOF'ers should have been closer. Larkin with 51% and Rock Raines with only 30%? Many others as well

jimed14

cliffy, thank you for not taking the easy way out after I mentioned Williams spitting on Sox fans ...

Was waiting for, "Yeah, but they are Sox fans, so, they obviously deserved it."

rival.

as years pass, i just think donnie baseball's chances are getting slimmer and slimmer.

sad to see him with only 87 votes this go around.

norm

jimed14 wrote:

cliffy, thank you for not taking the easy way out after I mentioned Williams spitting on Sox fans ...

Was waiting for, "Yeah, but they are Sox fans, so, they obviously deserved it."

that didn't need to be said...we all thought it