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  • WhyGo77
    WhyGo77 Posts: 113
    I didn't vote for Bush (either time) and I think we all agree that he took a TON of "vacation" time at his ranch or at Camp David but the golf playing is a different story. He stopped playing golf after September 11 because he said he didn't feel it was right for him to have that luxury after what happened.

    I think Obama deserves some time off - folks here in DC say that he works 15 hour days.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    cincybearcat wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    if you're point is that the media is biased - there are plenty of good examples but bringin' in W is a horrible example ...

    But it brings in people like you to the thread. ;)

    Anyhow, I just thought it seemed odd after all we heard the last 8 years was about the president going on vacation, and no all we here is how the president can't get away from work.
    i find using Bush as a standard to gauge Obama's actions pretty damn sad. Bush was a failure on all levels, he was useless. completely and utterly useless. a disgrace.

    Obama should stand on his own, and be judged on what he is or is not doing.

    and please leave W out of it. you should not be using the worst President this country has ever seen as a benchmark for acceptable Presidency.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    WhyGo77GMS wrote:
    I didn't vote for Bush (either time) and I think we all agree that he took a TON of "vacation" time at his ranch or at Camp David but the golf playing is a different story. He stopped playing golf after September 11 because he said he didn't feel it was right for him to have that luxury after what happened.


    oh???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3p9y_OEAdc
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    if you're point is that the media is biased - there are plenty of good examples but bringin' in W is a horrible example ...

    But it brings in people like you to the thread. ;)

    Anyhow, I just thought it seemed odd after all we heard the last 8 years was about the president going on vacation, and no all we here is how the president can't get away from work.
    i find using Bush as a standard to gauge Obama's actions pretty damn sad. Bush was a failure on all levels, he was useless. completely and utterly useless. a disgrace.

    Obama should stand on his own, and be judged on what he is or is not doing.

    and please leave W out of it. you should not be using the worst President this country has ever seen as a benchmark for acceptable Presidency.


    Calm down fancy pants. My point is any president is working even when they aren't in the oval office. How am I judging Obama? Next your going to call me a racist...sheesh.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Anyhow, I just thought it seemed odd after all we heard the last 8 years was about the president going on vacation, and no all we here is how the president can't get away from work.
    i find using Bush as a standard to gauge Obama's actions pretty damn sad. Bush was a failure on all levels, he was useless. completely and utterly useless. a disgrace.

    Obama should stand on his own, and be judged on what he is or is not doing.

    and please leave W out of it. you should not be using the worst President this country has ever seen as a benchmark for acceptable Presidency.


    Calm down fancy pants. My point is any president is working even when they aren't in the oval office. How am I judging Obama? Next your going to call me a racist...sheesh.
    i'm calm. i'm not calling anyone a racist here. i'm sure everyone but you can see that.

    your original post that started the thread was what i was replying to as well. i should have pasted that in too.

    im raising what i see is a valid point. Obama needs to stand alone and be judged on what HE does. if he does a poor job he should be called out on it. Bush is done and dusted. time to move on.

    ps. what exactly is fancy pants? is that a term old people use? i've never heard it before.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i'm calm. i'm not calling anyone a racist here. i'm sure everyone but you can see that.

    your original post that started the thread was what i was replying to as well. i should have pasted that in too.

    im raising what i see is a valid point. Obama needs to stand alone and be judged on what HE does. if he does a poor job he should be called out on it. Bush is done and dusted. time to move on.

    ps. what exactly is fancy pants? is that a term old people use? i've never heard it before.


    I wasn't judging Obama AT ALL (does the all caps help?). It was interesting to see how the media's interpretation of events changes when the person changes. My point is all presidents can work away from the white house. I'm glad that finally the media seems to agree, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they report the news from their own biased opinions.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    cincybearcat wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i'm calm. i'm not calling anyone a racist here. i'm sure everyone but you can see that.

    your original post that started the thread was what i was replying to as well. i should have pasted that in too.

    im raising what i see is a valid point. Obama needs to stand alone and be judged on what HE does. if he does a poor job he should be called out on it. Bush is done and dusted. time to move on.

    ps. what exactly is fancy pants? is that a term old people use? i've never heard it before.


    I wasn't judging Obama AT ALL (does the all caps help?). It was interesting to see how the media's interpretation of events changes when the person changes. My point is all presidents can work away from the white house. I'm glad that finally the media seems to agree, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they report the news from their own biased opinions.

    I think we all know that the media can be biased on both sides. There is a very long thread here about fox and it's veiwers. And I realize that others can be very biased as well. But I don't think anyone on the right is going to get very far comparing Goerge's work record to Barack's. That's like comparing the work effort of John Daly to that of Vijay Singh. :) Those who follow golf will understand.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    For what its worth, I agree ... Not only is a positive skew more likely here than it has been with previous presidents, the media treats this guy as if he is a celebrity rather than a politician. Truly ... We even get to hear about what the guy's kids got for Christmas, and can get regular Michelle Obama fashion updates.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    For what its worth, I agree ... Not only is a positive skew more likely here than it has been with previous presidents, the media treats this guy as if he is a celebrity rather than a politician. Truly ... We even get to hear about what the guy's kids got for Christmas, and can get regular Michelle Obama fashion updates.
    well, what do you expect from our media. this is nothing new. he's young, good looking, has a nice looking family, cute smile, he's rich, powerful and he is the President of the United States of America. America's sad love affair with the rich and famous, what they're wearing, what they're eating, what they're driving, who they're sleeping with, breaking up with and having babies with, certainly isn't a new phenomenon.

    it's like the whole Tiger Woods fiasco. is anyone else sick and tired of this? how can any reasonable person still be the slightest bit interested in seeing Tiger's latest 'scandal' as 'front page headlines'. get over it. there's more important things we should be focussing on.

    the media reports what the majority of the people want to hear.

    and i'm not one of them.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    the media reports what the majority of the people want to hear.

    does the media really give the people a choice?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    the media reports what the majority of the people want to hear.

    does the media really give the people a choice?
    no, and i'm not advocating that they do. i'm saying a high number of people read/watch that shit regardless. it's embarassing, it's not even newsworthy.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    the media reports what the majority of the people want to hear.

    does the media really give the people a choice?
    no, and i'm not advocating that they do. i'm saying a high number of people read/watch that shit regardless. it's embarassing, it's not even newsworthy.

    yeah, i know, but i always hear people say "if the people didn't want to see it they wouldn't show it" and i don't necessarily believe that to be true. i grew up with my parents watching Entertainment Tonight and those kinds of shows are all over the place now as well as the regular news being all over any celebrity gossip and story.

    sadly that's what society is more geared towards, combative op/ed shows mixed in with celebrity gossip.
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    the media reports what the majority of the people want to hear.

    does the media really give the people a choice?
    no, and i'm not advocating that they do. i'm saying a high number of people read/watch that shit regardless. it's embarassing, it's not even newsworthy.

    People read/watch that shit regardless, because they're too lazy to demand better. Studying the psychology of advertising really exposes the mass manipulation the mass media industry does to us every day.
    Entertainment news isn't what people WANT to hear, it's what they've become accustomed to, through manipulation tactics.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    Jeanwah wrote:
    People read/watch that shit regardless, because they're too lazy to demand better. Studying the psychology of advertising really exposes the mass manipulation the mass media industry does to us every day.
    Entertainment news isn't what people WANT to hear, it's what they've become accustomed to, through manipulation tactics.
    it has to be entertainment news because real news is "boring" or "too depressing" or both. they spice it up with flashing red and blue lights and a heavy dose of opinion to attract viewers. its a shame because at the same time they are indoctinating their viewers. i don't know how many times a week i will debate someone and they will spout off the same talking point i heard earlier tht day or the day before on fat rush's show or something i had seen on fox...i wish people would take it in and think for themselves sometimes...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    by the way, biden's mother died yesterday and he is going to have to go away to her funeral. are all of you that are angry at obama taking a vacation going to be ok in this situation or is this a problem for you as well?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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