Peta people???

dcfaithful

redrock wrote:

To me they are no better than the pro life people advocating the killing of abortion doctors. There are far better organisations who actually work for the benefit of the animals.

Totally agree.

South of Seattle

PETA strikes again!
http://www.katu.com/news/national/80319277.html

By Associated Press
ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) - Attorneys for an exotic animal dealer have accused an employee of intentionally neglecting animals to further his work as an undercover investigator for an animal rights group.

Howard Goldman could have done more to provide food, water and care for the animals that he said were being mistreated, said Lance Evans, an attorney for Jasen and Vanessa Shaw, the owners of U.S. Global Exotics.

Instead, Goldman secretly took photos and made daily reports to send to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Evans said.

"He was more concerned about helping PETA achieve its goal of putting U.S. Global out of business than actually aiding any animals that he felt were in distress," Evans said. Goldman worked at the Arlington facility for seven months.

During that time, he did all he could to help the animals, PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press. She accused U.S. Global Exotics of trying "to pin the blame for a litany of horrors on the one person who actually cared about the animals."

U.S. Global Exotics is trying to regain custody of more than 26,000 animals seized by the city Dec. 15 after Goldman turned over evidence describing what he said was animal cruelty at the Internet-based company.

Arlington officials have said the raid turned up starving snakes, hundreds of reptiles packed in shipping crates and rodents that had killed and eaten each other.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports an Arlington Municipal Court judge is expected this week to decide custody of the animals.

Goldman testified last week that PETA asked him to apply for a job at U.S. Global Exotics to investigate conditions. PETA paid him $135 for each day he turned in a report while working as snake caretaker.

Evans asked Goldman on why he did not follow a posted list of duties in the snake room and let snakes go for weeks without food or water or clean cages.

Goldman said 1,500 to 3,000 snakes were under his care at any given time. He said he did everything he could for the animals but the Shaws would not pay for the food, medical and other supplies he requested.

"We never had the proper amount of food. The snakes would go two or three weeks without even being offered food," Goldman testified. "There were days I found hundreds of snakes dead."

Paul Boiko, another U.S. Global employee, testified Monday that most animals were fed and watered regularly and a veterinarian visited once a week.

Boiko said some animals were not fed before being packaged to avoid problems during shipping. And, in a practice he described as standard in the industry, animals like turtles and iguanas were kept in cold conditions to force hibernation so they wouldn't eat or move much.

LikeAnOcean

I say, hey, we're all dieing one minute at a time.. who gives a fuck. If I go tomorrow, I've lived an ok life. Live every day like its your last.


I just hope someday I'm not a lab experiment for super intelligent aliens using me to find a cure for their diseases.

Just imagine it. We are so much more intelligent than lab test animals.. imagine if the universe evolved a species that made us look like a ground worm in intelligence... Place your morals and values where you want, I'm just sayin'.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I say, hey, we're all dieing one minute at a time.. who gives a fuck. If I go tomorrow, I've lived an ok life. Live every day like its your last.


I just hope someday I'm not a lab experiment for super intelligent aliens using me to find a cure for their diseases.

Just imagine it. We are so much more intelligent than lab test animals.. imagine if the universe evolved a species that made us look like a ground worm in intelligence... Place your morals and values where you want, I'm just sayin'.

put down the fucking bong..........

hehehehe

dcfaithful

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I say, hey, we're all dieing one minute at a time.. who gives a fuck. If I go tomorrow, I've lived an ok life. Live every day like its your last.


I just hope someday I'm not a lab experiment for super intelligent aliens using me to find a cure for their diseases.

Just imagine it. We are so much more intelligent than lab test animals.. imagine if the universe evolved a species that made us look like a ground worm in intelligence... Place your morals and values where you want, I'm just sayin'.

Intelligence doesn't give us the right to do whatever we please with any species of animal. We're humans and we share this world with animals. No matter what anybody says, we don't own it. If anything, we're going to be the cause of it's inability to sustain life. Just take into account how many species have gone extinct because of mankind's presence on earth.

I'm confident there are plenty of people out there that would be willing to be tested on for a good enough sum of money. Unfortunately for animals, because of our intelligence we feel that we can do what we please with them because. :roll:

CJMST3K

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Just imagine it. We are so much more intelligent than lab test animals.. imagine if the universe evolved a species that made us look like a ground worm in intelligence... Place your morals and values where you want, I'm just sayin'.

The universe is so immense, there is no possible way that there is not infinitely more intelligent animals (much more intelligent than the human animal) that humans would be close to the bottom of the intelligence chain.

dcfaithful wrote:

Intelligence doesn't give us the right to do whatever we please with any species of animal.

100% agree.

dcfaithful

CJMST3K wrote:

The universe is so immense, there is no possible way that there is not infinitely more intelligent animals (much more intelligent than the human animal) that humans would be close to the bottom of the intelligence chain.

And I 100% agree with you on this one Mr. Hasselhoff.

Thorns2010

dcfaithful wrote:

Intelligence doesn't give us the right to do whatever we please with any species of animal. We're humans and we share this world with animals. No matter what anybody says, we don't own it. If anything, we're going to be the cause of it's inability to sustain life. Just take into account how many species have gone extinct because of mankind's presence on earth.

I'm confident there are plenty of people out there that would be willing to be tested on for a good enough sum of money. Unfortunately for animals, because of our intelligence we feel that we can do what we please with them because. :roll:

While I'm not advocating that we should have free reign on destroying the earth and treating animals poorly, I am amused at how highly humans think of themselves.

Over 90% of all species that have ever graced the earth are extinct. Think about that for a second. And then think of how long humans have been present on Earth. If you were to condense the history of the earth into a single day, man has been around for all of 30 seconds.

We are insignificant in the grand scheme. The Earth was here looooooooooooooooooooooooong before us, and will be here long after us. And life, as it always has, will find a way to survive.

rustyrails

We wouldn't need to test on animals if we thought so highly of ourselves. If we knew how drugs would react just by drawing out the equations on a chalkboard people wouldn't be having this conversation. But as it turns out we don't know, the chemistry and biology is too complicated and we actually have to see how the drugs are going to react in mice etc.

Do you really think someone is going to volunteer for experimental testing for an HIV vaccine, antibiotic efficacy test, heart medications, or the swine flu? A raise of hands? *crickets*

How about being realistic and weigh out the tradeoffs. We need these drugs, and we need a reliable way to test them...that's the deal.

dcfaithful

Thorns2010 wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

Intelligence doesn't give us the right to do whatever we please with any species of animal. We're humans and we share this world with animals. No matter what anybody says, we don't own it. If anything, we're going to be the cause of it's inability to sustain life. Just take into account how many species have gone extinct because of mankind's presence on earth.

I'm confident there are plenty of people out there that would be willing to be tested on for a good enough sum of money. Unfortunately for animals, because of our intelligence we feel that we can do what we please with them because. :roll:

While I'm not advocating that we should have free reign on destroying the earth and treating animals poorly, I am amused at how highly humans think of themselves.

Over 90% of all species that have ever graced the earth are extinct. Think about that for a second. And then think of how long humans have been present on Earth. If you were to condense the history of the earth into a single day, man has been around for all of 30 seconds.

We are insignificant in the grand scheme. The Earth was here looooooooooooooooooooooooong before us, and will be here long after us. And life, as it always has, will find a way to survive.

I agree with you. I was mostly just trying to point out, like you said, how highly humans think of themselves. We seem to be on this self-righteous mission to do whatever it takes to conquer every challenge in this world, even if that is to capture innocent and wild animals and unfairly subject them to medical testing for the advancement of our species.

rustyrails wrote:

Do you really think someone is going to volunteer for experimental testing for an HIV vaccine, antibiotic efficacy test, heart medications, or the swine flu? A raise of hands? *crickets*

Everyone has a price

Seriously though I understand the discrepencies in my suggestion, but we kill some of our own after being sentenced in a court of law. If we feel we have the authority to sentence someone, and then put them to death, why not use these prisoners for these tests? Hell, they're human...so the results may even be more accurate. You may think that these prisoners don't have a say, and we can't do that...but neither do animals, so how do we justify doing this to an innocent animal. Surely this prisoner isn't innocent...a judge and jury declared that. In fact, some people may argue that the prisoners are deserving. I find no logic behind anyone saying an animal deserves to be tested on. (I'm not saying you said that, but I'm just putting out a scenario here...even if it seems far-fetched.) Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder.

I know disease is something that we should always try to find a cure to, and shit...I'm very open to the possibility that there are some illnesses that may never be cureable...I guess what it boils down to for me is that I don't believe that just because we're human beings and are basically in control of the world momentarily that we can just do what we want with other species of animal and it breaks my heart that at this point our only option is to take advantage of nature like that.

rustyrails

How do you know that animal is innocent?! The mice shat in your cereal box...I saw him! Guilty F'er should be injected with HIV and tested. :twisted:

I feel ya..it is a bummer. I've seen it with my own eyes, bunch of lab geeks poking and prodding..and when they get their result they snap their little necks. And what's even more of a bummer is that about 99% of these tests don't amount to anything, but the ones that do improve our lives...they may save your grandma someday or even you. That's the tradeoff. Mice etc are cheap and easy to breed and you can breed A LOT of them.

I see the logic in your comparison of prisoners and lab animals, but the truth is people will never value an animal over a human life. Even Old Yeller. We'll claw and scratch our way to any possible way that will add some more time to the clock. If you were in the situation to flip the switch on a life so you could live longer... I think you would.

PillowPants

Griffin??

dcfaithful

rustyrails wrote:

How do you know that animal is innocent?! The mice shat in your cereal box...I saw him! Guilty F'er should be injected with HIV and tested. :twisted:

Mice is plural. :twisted:

I'm sorry, I just a smart ass. :oops:

rustyrails

I just a smart ass

and a caveman hippy to boot!

dcfaithful

rustyrails wrote:

I just a smart ass

and a caveman hippy to boot!

Elaborate!!

redrock

dcfaithful wrote:

.... why not use these prisoners for these tests? ...
... Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder...

The Nazis didn't seem to ponder too long about this. Their 'prisoners' were human guinea pigs. Shall we go back to that? I think not.

Pepe Silvia

redrock wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

.... why not use these prisoners for these tests? ...
... Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder...

The Nazis didn't seem to ponder too long about this. Their 'prisoners' were human guinea pigs. Shall we go back to that? I think not.

and what if that person was later exonerated? :shock:

dcfaithful

redrock wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

.... why not use these prisoners for these tests? ...
... Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder...

The Nazis didn't seem to ponder too long about this. Their 'prisoners' were human guinea pigs. Shall we go back to that? I think not.

I'm definitely not for it, but it's just an interesting side to consider.

CJMST3K

dcfaithful wrote:

redrock wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

.... why not use these prisoners for these tests? ...
... Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder...

The Nazis didn't seem to ponder too long about this. Their 'prisoners' were human guinea pigs. Shall we go back to that? I think not.

I'm definitely not for it, but it's just an interesting side to consider.

I've often thought of this option. That, lets say there's a death-row inmate. Guilty as hell. Maybe he even admits to killing a bunch of people. We'll start with Timothy McVey or something. Why not give the death-row inmate a choice. Either have his punishment carried out, or he can opt into serious medical testing, and if he opts into this, he can then enjoy TV and some other special amenities in his jail cell.

I don't see a problem with this. ...and at least these people got a trial, unlike the current system we use for testing.

Commy

CJMST3K wrote:

I've often thought of this option. That, lets say there's a death-row inmate. Guilty as hell. Maybe he even admits to killing a bunch of people. We'll start with Timothy McVey or something. Why not give the death-row inmate a choice. Either have his punishment carried out, or he can opt into serious medical testing, and if he opts into this, he can then enjoy TV and some other special amenities in his jail cell.

I don't see a problem with this. ...and at least these people got a trial, unlike the current system we use for testing.

capitalism breeds crime, and you want to treat its victims as animals.


when selfishness and greed rule you're going to get a percentage of the population that will either resist or play the game the only way they know how. violently, as they['ve been taught by the system.




violence at all hands embrace it if need be.