Peta people???
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What are some of you PETA people's thoughts on lab animal testing geared in the direction of protecting the human race from, lets say, Anthrax?
I personally think if you value an animal life over a human life you are nuttier than squirrel shit. I once heard a PETA rep say after Steve Irwin died that they were glad to see him go because he pestered animals. Really?? Glad to see a wife and 2 kids grow up without a husband or father because of some souless animals. The guy brought awareness to animals not destruction.
I personally think if you value an animal life over a human life you are nuttier than squirrel shit. I once heard a PETA rep say after Steve Irwin died that they were glad to see him go because he pestered animals. Really?? Glad to see a wife and 2 kids grow up without a husband or father because of some souless animals. The guy brought awareness to animals not destruction.
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it depends on the testing methods. One can obviously test simple things on humans. For example, in college, I remember, as part of the mandatory course in psychology, one had to complete a mandatory testing. It was pretty harmless. I think it was for testing the response time in me, when I saw an image on a computer screen, then clicked on it. Stuff like that. But when you get into things like testing various perscription drugs on humans, or various vaccines on people, you get onto shaky ground. Yes obviously this testing could prove that these things can save humans, but conversely they can also prove that these things can kill. The Tuskegee Airmen come to mind.
As far as animal testing, there is no ethical standards that these people apply to them. I am 100 percent against ANY animal testing or experimention, at all.
Humans are known for their treatment of animals, whether thats slaughterhouses, or large scale farms who sell off their cattle, chicken, or whatever for larger consumption, or the deploreable animal experimentation that goes on.
I am a vegetarian for ethical reasons. The native americans, although meat eaters, didnt ruthlessly kill animals, and when they did, it was an emotional experience, they said a prayer, they apologized, and they used every single piece meat, every single part of it, they didnt waste it. This is a far cry from the modern meat eater, modern hunter, or modern farmer.
Long ago, I was asked as part of a class, if, the sap of some tree could save a human life, could provide a cure for cancer or something, and these trees were endangered, would I chop down the trees to create this cure for cancer. I said no. and I stand by that.
Animals feel the same pain humans do. Humans are animals, so why don't we just test on ourselves?
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I personally feel really badly for people who think of animals as "souless". Haven't you ever had a pet? I know, without a doubt in my mind, that my dog isn't some automaton, mindlessly completing involuntary tasks until he dies one day. He has a personality, moods, emotions, and most certainly feels pain the same as you or me. How ridiculous to think otherwise.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I advocate animal rights, and I even eat a vegetarian diet (mostly for health reasons), but I don't support PETA. I think they're self-righteous zealots, who may at one point had good intentions but have since lost all sense of that. Saying they were glad to see him die because he pestered animals? Sadistic fucks. For the record, Steve Irwin wasn't into interacting with animals to pester them. The guy wanted to show why these creatures were unique and an addition to our cool world, basically educate people. PETA better get on my ass then because I pester my dog when I kick him out of the bed at night. :roll:
PETA needs to realize that the way to talk to people about animal rights isn't by throwing buckets of blood and entrails on people. Not the smartest strategy in my opinion.
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well isn't this a great way to begin a reasoned discussion. discount possible opposing views from the get-go.
i've read someone on the pro-life side cheer the death of the doctor who was killed not too many months ago. so yea, there are stupid people in all walks of life, within all beliefs. so what?
and as with most things, what one 'values' is greatly dependent on a number of things. i value my dogs over a great many people, again, so what? life does not have to always be about putting your own species first, always.
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i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I'm hoping the OP provides a link to what he's accusing PeTA of saying...
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I think in some cases animal testing is a necessary evil.
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Agree. I love animals like anyone else but I think PETA takes it a little too far sometimes. Remember when Obama swatted a fly?
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Sometimes to treat certain diseases or test things, animals are the only way. I mean, how many mice are there in the world? A hell of a lot more than humans. Would you rather they test something on a human child?
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I hope human testing is a more necessary evil. At least we'd be testing the same species.
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over the summer somone had a bad habit of leaving the door open and a lot of flies collected in the house....someone bought a fly swatter and 1 day i swatted a bunch of them in the kitchen then went back to the living room. i had poured a glass of water before and took a sip while watching something on my computer....took another sip and as i pulled it away out of the corner of my eye i saw a dead fly floating in my glass! :shock:
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i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
without PETA things like that would still be going on.
Or GM using monkeys in automobile crash tests instead of crash dummies.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I suppose 'clinical trials' of drugs, etc. is testing on the same species, though of course there has been some development and testing before that. 'Back in the days', the medical research profession did not have any other option but to test on animals. Now, most testing can be done in labs without them. Testing whether a shampoo stings your eyes by squirting some in a rabbit's eyes is not necessary.
Though an animal lover, etc. I do not support PETA. They have lost a lot of credibility due to some very stupid and unethical (yes, unethical) actions. To me they are no better than the pro life people advocating the killing of abortion doctors. There are far better organisations who actually work for the benefit of the animals.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=595579
Unfortunately there are groups who are in there doing good, only to have the hard work trashed by stupidity such as that.
And yes, whilst I am an animal lover, unfortunately I do believe that there are instances where animal testing is necessary. I mean rats and mice breed like there is no tomorrow, they share a lot of genetic material to that of humans,and respond similarly to what humans would.
Totally agree.
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ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) - Attorneys for an exotic animal dealer have accused an employee of intentionally neglecting animals to further his work as an undercover investigator for an animal rights group.
Howard Goldman could have done more to provide food, water and care for the animals that he said were being mistreated, said Lance Evans, an attorney for Jasen and Vanessa Shaw, the owners of U.S. Global Exotics.
Instead, Goldman secretly took photos and made daily reports to send to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Evans said.
"He was more concerned about helping PETA achieve its goal of putting U.S. Global out of business than actually aiding any animals that he felt were in distress," Evans said. Goldman worked at the Arlington facility for seven months.
During that time, he did all he could to help the animals, PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press. She accused U.S. Global Exotics of trying "to pin the blame for a litany of horrors on the one person who actually cared about the animals."
U.S. Global Exotics is trying to regain custody of more than 26,000 animals seized by the city Dec. 15 after Goldman turned over evidence describing what he said was animal cruelty at the Internet-based company.
Arlington officials have said the raid turned up starving snakes, hundreds of reptiles packed in shipping crates and rodents that had killed and eaten each other.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports an Arlington Municipal Court judge is expected this week to decide custody of the animals.
Goldman testified last week that PETA asked him to apply for a job at U.S. Global Exotics to investigate conditions. PETA paid him $135 for each day he turned in a report while working as snake caretaker.
Evans asked Goldman on why he did not follow a posted list of duties in the snake room and let snakes go for weeks without food or water or clean cages.
Goldman said 1,500 to 3,000 snakes were under his care at any given time. He said he did everything he could for the animals but the Shaws would not pay for the food, medical and other supplies he requested.
"We never had the proper amount of food. The snakes would go two or three weeks without even being offered food," Goldman testified. "There were days I found hundreds of snakes dead."
Paul Boiko, another U.S. Global employee, testified Monday that most animals were fed and watered regularly and a veterinarian visited once a week.
Boiko said some animals were not fed before being packaged to avoid problems during shipping. And, in a practice he described as standard in the industry, animals like turtles and iguanas were kept in cold conditions to force hibernation so they wouldn't eat or move much.
I just hope someday I'm not a lab experiment for super intelligent aliens using me to find a cure for their diseases.
Just imagine it. We are so much more intelligent than lab test animals.. imagine if the universe evolved a species that made us look like a ground worm in intelligence... Place your morals and values where you want, I'm just sayin'.
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Intelligence doesn't give us the right to do whatever we please with any species of animal. We're humans and we share this world with animals. No matter what anybody says, we don't own it. If anything, we're going to be the cause of it's inability to sustain life. Just take into account how many species have gone extinct because of mankind's presence on earth.
I'm confident there are plenty of people out there that would be willing to be tested on for a good enough sum of money. Unfortunately for animals, because of our intelligence we feel that we can do what we please with them because. :roll:
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The universe is so immense, there is no possible way that there is not infinitely more intelligent animals (much more intelligent than the human animal) that humans would be close to the bottom of the intelligence chain.
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And I 100% agree with you on this one Mr. Hasselhoff.
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While I'm not advocating that we should have free reign on destroying the earth and treating animals poorly, I am amused at how highly humans think of themselves.
Over 90% of all species that have ever graced the earth are extinct. Think about that for a second. And then think of how long humans have been present on Earth. If you were to condense the history of the earth into a single day, man has been around for all of 30 seconds.
We are insignificant in the grand scheme. The Earth was here looooooooooooooooooooooooong before us, and will be here long after us. And life, as it always has, will find a way to survive.
Do you really think someone is going to volunteer for experimental testing for an HIV vaccine, antibiotic efficacy test, heart medications, or the swine flu? A raise of hands? *crickets*
How about being realistic and weigh out the tradeoffs. We need these drugs, and we need a reliable way to test them...that's the deal.
I agree with you. I was mostly just trying to point out, like you said, how highly humans think of themselves. We seem to be on this self-righteous mission to do whatever it takes to conquer every challenge in this world, even if that is to capture innocent and wild animals and unfairly subject them to medical testing for the advancement of our species.
Everyone has a price
Seriously though I understand the discrepencies in my suggestion, but we kill some of our own after being sentenced in a court of law. If we feel we have the authority to sentence someone, and then put them to death, why not use these prisoners for these tests? Hell, they're human...so the results may even be more accurate. You may think that these prisoners don't have a say, and we can't do that...but neither do animals, so how do we justify doing this to an innocent animal. Surely this prisoner isn't innocent...a judge and jury declared that. In fact, some people may argue that the prisoners are deserving. I find no logic behind anyone saying an animal deserves to be tested on. (I'm not saying you said that, but I'm just putting out a scenario here...even if it seems far-fetched.) Now, I'm not advocating to cruely torture death-row inmates...I'm just simply providing something to ponder.
I know disease is something that we should always try to find a cure to, and shit...I'm very open to the possibility that there are some illnesses that may never be cureable...I guess what it boils down to for me is that I don't believe that just because we're human beings and are basically in control of the world momentarily that we can just do what we want with other species of animal and it breaks my heart that at this point our only option is to take advantage of nature like that.
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