"The List"

Paul Andrews

surfanddestroy wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

esp given that overnight stadium security moved people on and people who had been waiting all night would have lost their places.

I'm sorry but thats their own fault for starting queueing so early.

Just because you have queued all day does not make you more deserving to be at the front everybody has paid the same price so therefore all deserve it.
Some people have responsibilities and are not able to queue all day, this does not make them less deserving of getting a good spot.

Sorry, but yes it does make them less deserving. That's GA for you - first come, best dressed. While I'd never arrive the night before (7:30am was my limit) and will gladly be behind anyone who does, if someone arrives first, they deserve to be first in the door.

If you have 'responsibilities' or other 'priorities' then you arrive later and get the spot in line according to your arrival time. No-one arrived, put their name on the list and then left, everyone stayed and only left to get supplies.

ZiggyStar

I was on the list in Sydney, Auckland and Christchurch and got the rail in front of Ed in Sydney (thanks Paul Andrews -- I was actually behind Paul but he let me in front of him because I'm so short and he's so nice) and got the rail in front of Mike twice in NZ -- exactly where I wanted to be.

I love the list. haha Worked out super for me! At Auckland I left for half hour to put merch in a car. At Christchurch I left to walk back to my hotel because I forgot my ID. Then left again to walk my merch back to the hotel. Both trips took at least an hour. I think the system worked really well.

bazzer

surfanddestroy wrote:

Just because you have queued all day does not make you more deserving to be at the front everybody has paid the same price so therefore all deserve it.
Some people have responsibilities and are not able to queue all day, this does not make them less deserving of getting a good spot.

It's probably exactly this attitude that necessitates the use of a list. People turn up at 4pm for a 4.15 early entry and expect to get in at the same time or before the people that have been lining up all day? Are you kidding?

You're right that everybody paid the same price, therefore they all get the same chance to get to the front. Of course, not everyone can be at the front so you have to differentiate somehow. I'd think it's obvious that the people who get their early are using their chance to the full, whereas the people that get there just before entry are squandering theirs. I know people have responsibilities, but that's the way things work. Why should you be able to push your way to the front past people who've waiting all day just because you want to?

After waiting all day in Auckland and Christchurch, I thought it was quite funny to see people rocking up at 4pm and surprised that they weren't going to be first in the venue. Having said that, I think, at least in those cities, all the 10C members got really good spots. At least until the "plebs" pushed their ways to the front in Auckland anyway... I do feel a bit sorry for the regular GA people that were lining up since the early morning!

eMMI

bazzer wrote:

surfanddestroy wrote:

Just because you have queued all day does not make you more deserving to be at the front everybody has paid the same price so therefore all deserve it.
Some people have responsibilities and are not able to queue all day, this does not make them less deserving of getting a good spot.

It's probably exactly this attitude that necessitates the use of a list. People turn up at 4pm for a 4.15 early entry and expect to get in at the same time or before the people that have been lining up all day? Are you kidding?

You're right that everybody paid the same price, therefore they all get the same chance to get to the front. Of course, not everyone can be at the front so you have to differentiate somehow. I'd think it's obvious that the people who get their early are using their chance to the full, whereas the people that get there just before entry are squandering theirs. I know people have responsibilities, but that's the way things work. Why should you be able to push your way to the front past people who've waiting all day just because you want to?

After waiting all day in Auckland and Christchurch, I thought it was quite funny to see people rocking up at 4pm and surprised that they weren't going to be first in the venue. Having said that, I think, at least in those cities, all the 10C members got really good spots. At least until the "plebs" pushed their ways to the front in Auckland anyway... I do feel a bit sorry for the regular GA people that were lining up since the early morning!

I'm sure she's not saying that those that arrive later should be let to the front of the queue.

Terryible

I don't really give a shit about the list, I personally don't think there should be one as it just cause arguments

The one thing that did piss me off, if you are going to get there early or camp over night, pick your shit up and put it into a rubbish bin before entering the stadium, both the gigs I went to the front of the ten club line was a disgrace with rubbish on the ground.

bazzer

eMMI wrote:

bazzer wrote:

surfanddestroy wrote:

Just because you have queued all day does not make you more deserving to be at the front everybody has paid the same price so therefore all deserve it.
Some people have responsibilities and are not able to queue all day, this does not make them less deserving of getting a good spot.

It's probably exactly this attitude that necessitates the use of a list. People turn up at 4pm for a 4.15 early entry and expect to get in at the same time or before the people that have been lining up all day? Are you kidding?

You're right that everybody paid the same price, therefore they all get the same chance to get to the front. Of course, not everyone can be at the front so you have to differentiate somehow. I'd think it's obvious that the people who get their early are using their chance to the full, whereas the people that get there just before entry are squandering theirs. I know people have responsibilities, but that's the way things work. Why should you be able to push your way to the front past people who've waiting all day just because you want to?

After waiting all day in Auckland and Christchurch, I thought it was quite funny to see people rocking up at 4pm and surprised that they weren't going to be first in the venue. Having said that, I think, at least in those cities, all the 10C members got really good spots. At least until the "plebs" pushed their ways to the front in Auckland anyway... I do feel a bit sorry for the regular GA people that were lining up since the early morning!

I'm sure she's not saying that those that arrive later should be let to the front of the queue.

That's exactly how I interpret "Just because you have queued all day does not make you more deserving to be at the front everybody has paid the same price so therefore all deserve it.". It is saying everybody paid the same so everybody deserves to be at the front, regardless of what time they arrive.

RockMama

You don't need a list. You need reserved seats like in the US.

bazzer

RockMama wrote:

You don't need a list. You need reserved seats like in the US.

An "official" list I was a big reserved seating fan, but my number is not fantastic. Even in NZ, I wouldn't have got the spot I got with my number. Since they come here so infrequently, I didn't mind lining up a couple of days. If I saw them more often, it wouldn't be worth it probably for me, especially if I was travelling to do it, I'd want to take in the sights too, so reserved seating would suit me there. Still, once in a while it was nice to be able to put in the hard yards and get a great spot.

vital5

a queue early is fine... a list is a load of shite...

if you can't stay in the queue without having to leave to do things, then you've obviously lined up way too early.

obviously the people praising the list (which allowed you to come and go from the queue, wtf?) didn't get fucked over by it

Paul Andrews

vital5 wrote:

a queue early is fine... a list is a load of shite...

if you can't stay in the queue without having to leave to do things, then you've obviously lined up way too early.

obviously the people praising the list (which allowed you to come and go from the queue, wtf?) didn't get fucked over by it

I don't think this is the case at all. As I said, comparing the Sydney and Melbourne lines, they both worked well, one with and one without a 'list'. It comes down to fair play and respect of each other. I had a great time in the lines, met some great people and enjoyed the time. Someone holding your spot while you get something to eat, drink or go to the toilet is fine. People were able to visit a mechendise tent and then drop the items off in a car or whatever. However, it was not OK for people to come and put their name on the list and then disappear until the end of the day - and that did not happen. Everyone spent almost all the day in the line and 'paid their dues'.

I think you either have a list like what i experienced in Sydney, a honour system like Melbourne or you have to make a rule that there is to be no queing before a certain time and once that time comes, there is no leaving the que at all. But either way, people pushing or running to the front was not allowed and security made sure no-one broke this rule. At the end of the day it is about safety and fairness.

I fail to see how anyone could be 'fucked over' by a list? Please enlighten me as I'm sure there could be the odd case, but I would have thought that in the spirit of fairness, people would have compassion for those who were 'fucked over' and help them out.

I agree with the rubbish situation but where i was, venue staff made a couple of visits with rubbish bags and everyone around me deposited their rubbish in the bags, but there will always be those who don't and I make no excuses for them at all.

bazzer

vital5 wrote:

obviously the people praising the list (which allowed you to come and go from the queue, wtf?) didn't get fucked over by it

To be fair, it's not possible to be fucked over by the list. If you were fucked over, it must have been by other 10C fans. The list is just a tool.

yellowled24

I agree with whoever said that the rubbish was a disgrace...

when we were going through the Syd line, it was like a rubbish tip. So, fans of someone who is so environmentally conscious can just leave their shit all over the place? Pigs!

Aaaaand, on the subject of a queue, I think yes you should be allowed to let your partner or friend in if they cant get there til later (work commitments, kiddies etc), but to leave and take stuff to hotels and even people that went off to go to a pub and have a few drinks, then come back after a few hours, doesnt that defeat the whole part of queuing?

Paul Andrews

yellowled24 wrote:

I agree with whoever said that the rubbish was a disgrace...

when we were going through the Syd line, it was like a rubbish tip. So, fans of someone who is so environmentally conscious can just leave their shit all over the place? Pigs!

Aaaaand, on the subject of a queue, I think yes you should be allowed to let your partner or friend in if they cant get there til later (work commitments, kiddies etc), but to leave and take stuff to hotels and even people that went off to go to a pub and have a few drinks, then come back after a few hours, doesnt that defeat the whole part of queuing?

Good post, although I think it is fair for people to drop merchandise of somewhere, especially given the fact there was nowhere inside the venue to store stuff. One member allowed a fair few of us to place our items in his car in the main car park, but going to the pub for a couple of hours etc is a long hop too far. For the most part commonsense prevails but as we all see too often in life, it is the odd case where it does not that stuffs it up for everyone.

A good solution would be a ban on lining up before say 2pm 10c tickets are available and then as you pick up your tickets, your name is recorded followed by an official lottery at 4pm where those who collected tickets from say 2-3:30pm are called randomly to enter as the gates open. I think Springsteen did a similar thing at Meadowlands. In all honesty queing all day sucks, but it was the only way of getting the spot you wanted.

Seating in 2003 and 2006 was cool, but GA was also cool, but a better way where all get a fair chance to be at the front without camping out or lining up all day is probably a better system.

As for rubbish, it shits me in all walks of life were people are slobs and don't clean up after themselves. There were plenty of bins around and there was no excuse for rubbish, but again, I believe the minority made it look bad for everyone else.

zenith

it surprises me that this list debate is still going on....

alright, i see its value in Europe where there are so many more 10c tkt holders - but in Australia there really arent that many by comparison - realistically we should be able to line up and be honest about who was where and letting other members in and out to get food/stash gear/loo breaks etc. There shouldnt have been any need for a list. but it doesnt bother me that there was one either.

but what i dont get is everyone still stressing over this - did you get where you want to be once you were in the gate?? i had friends in sydney that rocked up about 40 mins before gate opening and still ended up only 8 or so back from the barrier, and happily so.
if you want barrier, you'll show up a bit earlier. if your 100 back in line you'll still get it, or so close to it. but did any 10c holders really end up standing somewhere they didnt want to be??

this tour was great to be ga again, and free to stand where and with who you wanted. i was barrier twice, and sheeprun side twice (by choice) and was happy each show - my son got the experience of a barrier in front of mike ed & jeff, he was as happy as you can get.

really tho - i hope pearl jam go back to 10c seating next time, and run a lottery. (then we'll get the threads complaining how a 100 *** got them 20 rows back :roll: )

ZiggyStar

GA all the way for me from now on! It was waaaay better being surrounded by friends on the rail! Fucking loved it! And long live "the list"! Worked great for me! Half the fun of the concerts in NZ was rocking up early with my mates and chilling out! And it was great getting to know some of the other people on the list at my concerts. Good times! :thumbup:

vital5

ZiggyStar wrote:

GA all the way for me from now on! It was waaaay better being surrounded by friends on the rail! Fucking loved it! And long live "the list"! Worked great for me! Half the fun of the concerts in NZ was rocking up early with my mates and chilling out! And it was great getting to know some of the other people on the list at my concerts. Good times! :thumbup:

Did you manage to sleep your way to the front of the line?

ZiggyStar

vital5 wrote:

ZiggyStar wrote:

GA all the way for me from now on! It was waaaay better being surrounded by friends on the rail! Fucking loved it! And long live "the list"! Worked great for me! Half the fun of the concerts in NZ was rocking up early with my mates and chilling out! And it was great getting to know some of the other people on the list at my concerts. Good times! :thumbup:

Did you manage to sleep your way to the front of the line?

Yeah -- not 10 clubbers though! Headed straight for the security, mate! I just fucked a few security guards at each venue....voila....straight to the front as soon as the 10c gates opened! I only joined "the list" because it was cool and I wanted a number on my hand!

vital5

ZiggyStar wrote:

vital5 wrote:

ZiggyStar wrote:

GA all the way for me from now on! It was waaaay better being surrounded by friends on the rail! Fucking loved it! And long live "the list"! Worked great for me! Half the fun of the concerts in NZ was rocking up early with my mates and chilling out! And it was great getting to know some of the other people on the list at my concerts. Good times! :thumbup:

Did you manage to sleep your way to the front of the line?

Nah, I just fucked a few security guards at each venue....voila....straight to the front as soon as the 10c gates opened! I only joined "the list" because it was cool and I wanted a number on my hand!

Is that what the rubbish in the line was? your clothes?

ZiggyStar

vital5 wrote:

Is that what the rubbish in the line was? your clothes?

Hmmm....let me think....nope, in Sydney and Brisbane I just did bjs so the rubbish was most definitely not my clothes. Security in Auckland and Christchurch weren't quite as easy though....fucking kiwis.... :roll: ....so the rubbish in Auckland or Christchurch may have been my clothes!

doompony

i thought the list was a great idea in auckland.. we got lost because none of us were aucklanders and auckland is a WHORE to drive in... we were getting number updates on where the list was up to and arrived just before midday and still were in the 30s... then we got to sit under trees and relax. maybe the list works REALLY well when there aren't many 10c members?

plus the merch runs helped out more than just the people doing them in many cases...