Food labels For Palestine & Settlements

Byrnzie

ogre1213 wrote:

how about they stop firing rockets at israel so maybe they could trust them

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1134689.html

"The Israel Defense Forces last Sunday identified a rocket fired by militants in the Gaza Strip as a Russian-made S5K, the type used in battle in Iran and Afghanistan.
The IDF said it was the first time this type of weapon has been fired from the territory. "

this is scary

This is just another excuse to continue the occupation.

Why are you pretending that these rocket attacks justify the occupation?

Substitute 'suicide bombings' for 'rocket attacks':

http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05132004.html

'...The suicide bombings inside Israel, the first of which only occurred in 1994, after 25 years of occupation, is only a side show. That is a symptom and long way from the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

There will never be a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict until Israel takes responsibility, under U.N. Resolution 194, calling for reparation of the Palestinian refugees, and recognizes the immense suffering it caused at that time. We need also to recognize the US is giving unqualified moral support to a state that is based on racial purity and one that is intrinsically expansionist.'

Byrnzie

ogre1213 wrote:

"The Israel Defense Forces last Sunday identified a rocket fired by militants in the Gaza Strip as a Russian-made S5K, the type used in battle in Iran and Afghanistan.
The IDF said it was the first time this type of weapon has been fired from the territory. "

this is scary

No, the rocket attacks are an understandable reaction to the brutal occupation. What's scary is this:

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/24/ ... h-settlers

Some Jewish settlers turning against Israel

'...Radical settlers rampage against Palestinians and Israeli soldiers, sometimes hiding their faces behind black ski masks or scarves. Confident they are following the word of God, they call for a Torah-based theocracy that they say will one day triumph over the State of Israel.

Unlike most settlers, these youths mostly eschew serving in the Israel Defense Forces, which they consider criminal for its evacuation of Jews from Gaza in 2005. Mostly second-generation settlers whose fathers had considered IDF service an automatic rite of passage, these radicals have largely turned against a state they view as having betrayed its core principles...

Ginzburg preaches a messianic brand of Judaism that views Jews as superior beings and violent revenge attacks on Arabs as justified by the Torah. He is one of a small group of rabbis who provides the theological and ideological underpinnings for radical settlers...'

Byrnzie

ogre1213 wrote:

and as for those Jews in the picture, i don't know if you know this but those are messianic Jews who believe the Jewish messiah cannot come if Israel already exists, therefore they want Israel to disappear so that when the messiah can come and he will bring in the real Israel, the extremely religious Israel and rebuild the third temple and bring all the Jews in the world out of exile and to their homeland of Israel

And what about these people?:

http://www.jatonyc.org/

Jews Against the Occupation

Jews Against the Occupation is an organization of progressive, secular and religious Jews of all ages throughout the New York City area advocating peace through justice for Palestine and Israel. Our points of unity are as follows:


NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME


We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.


RESTORE HUMAN & CIVIL RIGHTS

The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.

END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL


The U.S. government provides more aid to Israel than to any other country—the vast majority of this is for military purposes. Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have propped up the occupation and fueled the Israeli government’s war machine (as well as disguising the occupation’s true cost). This aid must end.


STOP ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON PALESTINE

The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.


LET PALESTINIANS RETURN HOME


Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.


ANTI-SEMITISM VS. CRITIQUES OF ISRAEL


Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.


Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.

TriumphantAngel

Godfather. wrote:

Commy wrote:

the US is funding the siege of gaza, if you're an american you are paying for brutality and repression and misery.


someitmes its the US and Israel alone agianst he world..were it not for the US Israel would not be getting away with its crimes.

wish I knew the game better all I really know is what I live and see, I hear people like your self that tell
me about the US involvement in the different conflicts and I also understand the media tells us very little
of what they know and most times they don't get the straight truth from who ever in the government it is
that feeds the media machine.
it angers me to see people come to our country and bring their bull shit with them and then complain about
Americans and the way we live and believe....they can all go back to where they came from if they're not
happy here with our laws and beliefs.

Godfather.

godfather, you've lost me. what has that got to do with anything? are you saying it's only american citizens than can have an opinion on american foreign polices?

since when did the US support of israels illegal occupation and oppression against the Palestinian people, become a law and belief?

Godfather.

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Commy wrote:

the US is funding the siege of gaza, if you're an american you are paying for brutality and repression and misery.


someitmes its the US and Israel alone agianst he world..were it not for the US Israel would not be getting away with its crimes.

wish I knew the game better all I really know is what I live and see, I hear people like your self that tell
me about the US involvement in the different conflicts and I also understand the media tells us very little
of what they know and most times they don't get the straight truth from who ever in the government it is
that feeds the media machine.
it angers me to see people come to our country and bring their bull shit with them and then complain about
Americans and the way we live and believe....they can all go back to where they came from if they're not
happy here with our laws and beliefs.

Godfather.

godfather, you've lost me. what has that got to do with anything? are you saying it's only american citizens than can have an opinion on american foreign polices?

since when did the US support of israels illegal occupation and oppression against the Palestinian people, become a law and belief?

I was talking about people coming to our country .

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I was talking about people coming to our country .

Godfather.

Like Italians?

ogre1213

its already been sung but it cant be said enough, all you need is love

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... _fsNiWiR4w

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I was talking about people coming to our country .

Godfather.

Like Italians?

like anybody who comes here and lives off american tax payers,gets special bennifets then talk crap about
americans. arn't you tired of paying the way for people that hate you ? again I say "send their ass's back"
ya know this free love bullshit left with the 60's and trust me it wasen't anything like you might think.


Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

like anybody who comes here and lives off american tax payers,gets special bennifets then talk crap about americans.

Care to provide an example?

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

like anybody who comes here and lives off american tax payers,gets special bennifets then talk crap about americans.

Care to provide an example?

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

ogre1213 wrote:

its already been sung but it cant be said enough, all you need is love

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... _fsNiWiR4w

the palestinians would be lucky if israel pushed them into the sea instead of only allowing them 20% of the water while the israeli's greedily take the other 80%....

for every article you post about a palestinian or arab saying they dislike israel i'm sure you can find an israeli saying similar things about palestinians. however, who has a modern army? who is in violation of several UN resolutions, international laws, Geneva convention and is stealing land?

i'm pretty sure if Mexico was doing this in parts of california or texas we'd react and it would be a lot more violent than the palestinians have been for several decades

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

like anybody who comes here and lives off american tax payers,gets special bennifets then talk crap about americans.

Care to provide an example?

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

sounds like it should be rather easy to cite an example or 2 then.....

fuck

ogre1213 wrote:

its already been sung but it cant be said enough, all you need is love

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... _fsNiWiR4w

i wish you wouldn't quote pearl jam like that

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hr ... Report.pdf

so on one side we have people saying stuff and on the other side we have a military that commits so much death and destruction, and yet you actually believe that they are justified in doing so.

fuck

Godfather. wrote:

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

hahaha!

Godfather.

_outlaw wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

hahaha!

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- A Georgia man was sentenced to 17 years in federal prison Monday after his conviction for supporting terrorists and a foreign terrorist organization.

Ehsanul Islam Sadequee sent an e-mail seeking to join the Taliban in its fight against U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan in 2001, while he was living in Bangladesh, prosecutors have said.

In 2004 and 2005, Sadequee -- then living in Georgia -- "entered an illegal agreement ... with others to provide material support to terrorists engaged in violent jihad," authorities said in a statement following his conviction.

He was found guilty of four terrorism-related offenses following a seven-day trial in August. Sadequee lived in the Atlanta suburb of Roswell

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

hahaha!

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- A Georgia man was sentenced to 17 years in federal prison Monday after his conviction for supporting terrorists and a foreign terrorist organization.

Ehsanul Islam Sadequee sent an e-mail seeking to join the Taliban in its fight against U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan in 2001, while he was living in Bangladesh, prosecutors have said.

In 2004 and 2005, Sadequee -- then living in Georgia -- "entered an illegal agreement ... with others to provide material support to terrorists engaged in violent jihad," authorities said in a statement following his conviction.

He was found guilty of four terrorism-related offenses following a seven-day trial in August. Sadequee lived in the Atlanta suburb of Roswell

Godfather.

not really sure what some american wanting to help the taliban has to do with Palestine and Israel.....

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't need to do that just watch the news from time to time or just pay attention to life around you.

Godfather.

hahaha!

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- A Georgia man was sentenced to 17 years in federal prison Monday after his conviction for supporting terrorists and a foreign terrorist organization.

Ehsanul Islam Sadequee sent an e-mail seeking to join the Taliban in its fight against U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan in 2001, while he was living in Bangladesh, prosecutors have said.

In 2004 and 2005, Sadequee -- then living in Georgia -- "entered an illegal agreement ... with others to provide material support to terrorists engaged in violent jihad," authorities said in a statement following his conviction.

He was found guilty of four terrorism-related offenses following a seven-day trial in August. Sadequee lived in the Atlanta suburb of Roswell

Godfather.

Born in Fairfax, Virginia on July 30 1986,[1] Ehsanul "Shifa" Sadequee is an American who was arrested by the FBI on terrorism charges.[1][2]

Godfather.

hayyyy you're pretty sharp I'll bet nothing slips by you.
C-YA

Godfather.

Byrnzie

ogre1213 wrote:

its already been sung but it cant be said enough, all you need is love

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... e/ShowFull

Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza
May 30, 2007

"If they don't stop [firing rockets] after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said [Rabbi]Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

Commy

Godfather. wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

wish I knew the game better all I really know is what I live and see, I hear people like your self that tell
me about the US involvement in the different conflicts and I also understand the media tells us very little
of what they know and most times they don't get the straight truth from who ever in the government it is
that feeds the media machine.
it angers me to see people come to our country and bring their bull shit with them and then complain about
Americans and the way we live and believe....they can all go back to where they came from if they're not
happy here with our laws and beliefs.

Godfather.
godfather, you've lost me. what has that got to do with anything? are you saying it's only american citizens than can have an opinion on american foreign polices?

I was talking about people coming to our country .

there are people who have come to this country that know more about american politics and foreign policy than people like yourself for example, who are very passionate about it.

passionate enough to DO somethign about . you could learn from some of these "people coming to our country"