Scientific Illiteracy and "Climategate"

aerial

gabers wrote:

aerial wrote:

I want to see these hypocrites (The big wigs in Copenhagen) down size from there energy sapping mansion and live in a home that makes more sense . I want them to stop Jetting around the world when they have other options. I want them to stop using limousines and SUV’s. I want those that want to make laws concerning my life to show that they care about this planet....then and only then will I even think about listening to their BS!

No you won't because you've already decided it's part of the "liberal agenda". And that's sad because this should really have nothing to do about politics. But now days everything is - it's really amazing. It's hard to have a conversation about anything any more without it turning into a political debate.

I've said this many times before and I'll say it again. The basic science of human induced global warming is quite simple. Humans are buring copious amounts of fossil fuels that would otherwise stay sequestered in the earth. These fossil fuels are releasing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. There are minor variations that could mildly affect this process, but it's basic science. In addition, we have the ability to affect change to limit these greenhouse gases and actually use renewable, clean energy sources. What exactly is the issue here??

Liberal has nothing to do with it.....I conserve energy...I don’t drive much, turn out the lights when not in use, caulked up my house, drive a piece of shit 4 cylinder when I do drive, recycle, I could go on and on....What else can I do?....
I want the hypocrites that live in excess to set an example.....if they lived a Greener life the world would not be sucking up the fossil fuel. Who are they to go screw with my life until they get it together themselves!

OnTheEdge

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OnTheEdge

Can you imagine a conversation in the Al Gore house.......I can't believe these people don't care about our planet and are doing nothing to help save it!.........Honey, make sure the pilot has the jet fueled up, we're going on vacation!

arthurdent

Shawshank wrote:

Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change: "the rising CO2 content of the air should boost global plant productivity dramatically, enabling humanity to increase food, fiber and timber production and thereby continue to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for their still-increasing numbers ... this atmospheric CO2-derived blessing is as sure as death and taxes."

you know what, Idso's been spouting the same retarded bullshit for almost 20 years now. There's a good reason why we used to say "Idso's a crack baby."

arthurdent

polaris_x wrote:

i picked the first few and found all of them have ties to big oil ... for crying out loud man - read the gazillion reports on AGW - there's your proof there ...

you guys don't like TAXES and big government - I get it!!! ... but the science is overwhelming on this topic - stop arguing about the science and using these guys that are getting their funding from Exxon ... focus on why carbon taxes are a scam and i will gladly listen but just as others have done before ... posting tainted links and sources just shows that you aren't reading the science - all you are doing is propagating a PR conceived strategy for the big polluters ...

yep. follow the dollars. Most of these guys are no better than common whores being pimped out by the petroleum industry.

Commy

her'es the thing.


if the enviro's are wrong about man made global warming....no big deal...we spen d afew trillion clea ning up the planet, we all go on with our selfish little lives, no harm done.


if the cons are wrong....we're fucked. we all die.



i think i'll side with the people who are trying to save the race, as opposed with the fools trying to make a buck.

RoughMix

Commy wrote:

her'es the thing.


if the enviro's are wrong about man made global warming....no big deal...we spen d afew trillion clea ning up the planet, we all go on with our selfish little lives, no harm done.


if the cons are wrong....we're fucked. we all die.



i think i'll side with the people who are trying to save the race, as opposed with the fools trying to make a buck.

I'll let you in on something.We are not going to die from "climate change".Our children will not die,nor our grandchildren.The numbers were falsified to make it seem worse.ie climategate.
It's the "enviro's" who are the fools trying to make a buck.Al Gore and his propaganda movie which was full of countless lies and mistruths.Indoctrinating kids in grade schools.Telling these same young kids that they will die if something is not done.How irresponsible is that?
Kids not being able to sleep at night,crying,worrying that the world will end.And Gore travels around the world in private jets,limos,high class living.But hey,it's okay,he buys carbon credits.From a company he OWNS!
There are many more like him.The few trillion you speak about will do absolutely nothing to "clean up" the planet.
The carbon tax scheme put together by the UN will not work.Money will be funneled to poor countries whose dictators will keep almost all of it.Meanwhile China,India, and other fast developing nations will talk a good game but nothing will be done.We will end up paying for this with virtually no results.Higher cost for fuel,and "smart meters" for your electricity just means more regulation and higher costs for you.
Cleaning up the planet is a noble cause,but not at the cost basic rights and scams that will make no difference.

battan1120

Someone besides me see's this climate change crap for what it is.$$$$$$$..fuck Al Gore...and Obama..if he signs this Treaty without going through Congress he should be impeached.....this all about money....and a 1 world government....I don't know what they taught you in biology but the last I knew humans give ofco2 so plants will thrive and the plants in return give us oxygen....what this will lead to is less plants and less people which is there main goal...its genocide in the name of GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!

RoughMix wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

RoughMix wrote:

1200 limos.
private jets for almost everyone.
Delegates staying in 5 star hotels.
Exotic food flown in from all over world.
The hypocrisy is not surprising.
The only thing that will come out of Copenhagen will be the menu and which hotels to
stay at in Mexico 2011.
What a scam.

How nice that people would rather focus on the hypocrisy and propaganda rather than the facts. Not only do our leaders focus on their limos, but so does the general public. You'll see. We won't act on climate issues until it's way too late. One can only imagine what our future generation will think of us, when we actually had the chance to improve things.

Well,sorry to wake you up but ,these are the facts.
What do you consider facts? That the numbers at the CRU were falsified. This summit is all about politics and ideology.Make ordinary people change their lives while the leaders do nothing to show they care.
It's not about climate change as a natural impact on the climate.But climate change as a way to regulate people's income and lives.This is a UN scam to make rich countries pay(carbon taxes) to help poorer countries.Without any impact on climate.This is about showing their moral superiority by making people think they care about the climate.DO SOMETHING.It's all just symbolism.Nothing gets done.How long has this been going on?The next thing you know ,they will give Obama the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing.Oops,they've already done that.Without the artificial correction this "warming" trend is the fourth greatest in the last 8000 years.It is up to the leaders to show the way,but no one really cares.

Smellyman

Arm chair republican scientists rule!!

fuck the planet, more pollution!!

Global warming is a hoax dreamed up by scientists you fools.....along with evolution.

aerial

How refreshing it is to see there are a few others on here beside myself and prfctlefts
that get it........Thanks RoughMix & Battan1120 love your post....just hope it sinks in..

gimmesometruth27

i hear that throwing teabags will help get the point across....

Commy

RoughMix wrote:

Commy wrote:

her'es the thing.


if the enviro's are wrong about man made global warming....no big deal...we spen d afew trillion clea ning up the planet, we all go on with our selfish little lives, no harm done.


if the cons are wrong....we're fucked. we all die.



i think i'll side with the people who are trying to save the race, as opposed with the fools trying to make a buck.

I'll let you in on something.We are not going to die from "climate change".Our children will not die,nor our grandchildren.The numbers were falsified to make it seem worse.ie climategate.
It's the "enviro's" who are the fools trying to make a buck.Al Gore and his propaganda movie which was full of countless lies and mistruths.Indoctrinating kids in grade schools.Telling these same young kids that they will die if something is not done.How irresponsible is that?
Kids not being able to sleep at night,crying,worrying that the world will end.And Gore travels around the world in private jets,limos,high class living.But hey,it's okay,he buys carbon credits.From a company he OWNS!
There are many more like him.The few trillion you speak about will do absolutely nothing to "clean up" the planet.
The carbon tax scheme put together by the UN will not work.Money will be funneled to poor countries whose dictators will keep almost all of it.Meanwhile China,India, and other fast developing nations will talk a good game but nothing will be done.We will end up paying for this with virtually no results.Higher cost for fuel,and "smart meters" for your electricity just means more regulation and higher costs for you.
Cleaning up the planet is a noble cause,but not at the cost basic rights and scams that will make no difference.

eh, no thanks. i'm sure you mean well, but i'll not take your word for it.


there's plenty of evidence pointing to man mad global warming.


and i may not agree with carbon credits....but something should be done.


there is more money to be made keeping things the way they are, that is why we are seeing such resistance to change.............but that's capitalism for you, whatever is most profitable is pursued, even at the expense of the human race.

maybe it is scam, maybe they are trying to make a buck on the impending doom...but global warming activists ahve been at this for years...and very few of them were trying to make a buck....its only this latest deal with a democrat that seems to be getting so much resistance....which leads me to believe those reisting Gore have a political agenda....which considering whats at stake is pretty fooked.

catefrances

hmmmmm i dont really know what to say about climate change except to say our climate has changed before and it will do say again with or without us.are humans escallating that change??? it would be a fool that thinks we have NO impact upon the planet, but is it as bad as were told? will the maldives sink beneath the pristine waters of the indian ocean??? not likely within our lifetimes. im not gonna be feared into believing that our planet is in dire threat of death. fear keeps us in line and i refuse to stand in a queue thats going nowhere.

Jeanwah

aerial wrote:

How refreshing it is to see there are a few others on here beside myself and prfctlefts
that get it........Thanks RoughMix & Battan1120 love your post....just hope it sinks in..

You find it refreshing that there are others that are victims of the propaganda viewpoint?
Anyone who researches the science, I'll really listen to. That's where the facts are.
Really, guys, you have no credible viewpoint when you continue to use politics and "climategate" in debating the existence of global warming.

aerial

catefrances wrote:

hmmmmm i dont really know what to say about climate change except to say our climate has changed before and it will do say again with or without us.are humans escallating that change??? it would be a fool that thinks we have NO impact upon the planet, but is it as bad as were told? will the maldives sink beneath the pristine waters of the indian ocean??? not likely within our lifetimes. im not gonna be feared into believing that our planet is in dire threat of death. fear keeps us in line and i refuse to stand in a queue thats going nowhere.

:thumbup:

Jeanwah

aerial wrote:

catefrances wrote:

hmmmmm i dont really know what to say about climate change except to say our climate has changed before and it will do say again with or without us.are humans escallating that change??? it would be a fool that thinks we have NO impact upon the planet, but is it as bad as were told? will the maldives sink beneath the pristine waters of the indian ocean??? not likely within our lifetimes. im not gonna be feared into believing that our planet is in dire threat of death. fear keeps us in line and i refuse to stand in a queue thats going nowhere.

:thumbup:

With that viewpoint comes this....Do you live you life respecting the environment, and treat it well...or do you burn plastics and styrofoam in your burn barrel every night, litter as much as possible and dump your sewage in the local river?
All the naysayers can think what they want. But the facts are there. Just open a science book. But even if you don't want to do that, is it so hard to simply tread lightly?

catefrances

Jeanwah wrote:

aerial wrote:

catefrances wrote:

hmmmmm i dont really know what to say about climate change except to say our climate has changed before and it will do say again with or without us.are humans escallating that change??? it would be a fool that thinks we have NO impact upon the planet, but is it as bad as were told? will the maldives sink beneath the pristine waters of the indian ocean??? not likely within our lifetimes. im not gonna be feared into believing that our planet is in dire threat of death. fear keeps us in line and i refuse to stand in a queue thats going nowhere.

:thumbup:

With that viewpoint comes this....Do you live you life respecting the environment, and treat it well...or do you burn plastics and styrofoam in your burn barrel every night, litter as much as possible and dump your sewage in the local river?
All the naysayers can think what they want. But the facts are there. Just open a science book. But even if you don't want to do that, is it so hard to simply tread lightly?

i dont even have a car...
and i only burn styrofoam on sundays. fuck off... dont justify your viewpoint by ridiculing mine.

Jeanwah

catefrances wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

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catefrances wrote:

hmmmmm i dont really know what to say about climate change except to say our climate has changed before and it will do say again with or without us.are humans escallating that change??? it would be a fool that thinks we have NO impact upon the planet, but is it as bad as were told? will the maldives sink beneath the pristine waters of the indian ocean??? not likely within our lifetimes. im not gonna be feared into believing that our planet is in dire threat of death. fear keeps us in line and i refuse to stand in a queue thats going nowhere.

With that viewpoint comes this....Do you live you life respecting the environment, and treat it well...or do you burn plastics and styrofoam in your burn barrel every night, litter as much as possible and dump your sewage in the local river?
All the naysayers can think what they want. But the facts are there. Just open a science book. But even if you don't want to do that, is it so hard to simply tread lightly?

i dont even have a car...
and i only burn styrofoam on sundays. fuck off... dont justify your viewpoint by ridiculing mine.

I wasn't ridiculing you, I simply wanted to point out that it's fine to have your viewpoint, but simply having regard for where we live, doesn't take much of an effort.

catefrances

Jeanwah wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i dont even have a car...
and i only burn styrofoam on sundays. fuck off... dont justify your viewpoint by ridiculing mine.

I wasn't ridiculing you, I simply wanted to point out that it's fine to have your viewpoint, but simply having regard for where we live, doesn't take much of an effort.

well what was all this then...
or do you burn plastics and styrofoam in your burn barrel every night, litter as much as possible and dump your sewage in the local river?

you were being negative towards a viewpoint you dont share. trying to demonise those of us who dont toe the party line as somehow destructive... as if were the major polluters of the planet.

Jeanwah

catefrances wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i dont even have a car...
and i only burn styrofoam on sundays. fuck off... dont justify your viewpoint by ridiculing mine.

I wasn't ridiculing you, I simply wanted to point out that it's fine to have your viewpoint, but simply having regard for where we live, doesn't take much of an effort.

well what was all this then...
or do you burn plastics and styrofoam in your burn barrel every night, litter as much as possible and dump your sewage in the local river?

you were being negative towards a viewpoint you dont share. trying to demonise those of us who dont toe the party line as somehow destructive... as if were the major polluters of the planet.

I was simply pointing out that regardless of agreeing about global warming, it doesn't mean that we can't all respect our environment.
Personally, I think arguing about whether global warming exists is redundant, as it can't be proven. BUT climate change does exist, it has existed, and will continue. With or without us. Simply being aware of what we add to the air and water is simply being concious of our actions.