JFK assassination theories

musicismylife78

The anniverary of his murder was a month ago. What do you think happened on that day in November? Who do you think is responsible?

I have always thought the official story, the lone gunman, that Oswald alone did it, was complete bunk and made no sense at all.

If you believe the official story you have to swallow-that absurd picture of Oswald, rifle in hand, communist paper in the other, standing in a way that is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone else stand this way, ever. Its ludicrous.

You have to believe that Oswald, despite being a terrible rifleman according to the military, was able to shoot JFK from that cramped window of the Book Depository.'

You have to believe that when Oswald was in New Orleans, it was just a massive coincidence that that entire street was literally crawling with CIA agents who also lived there. Oswald a communist, happened to, just by bad luck, buy a home/apartment on a street where a ton of CIA agents lived.

You have to believe that one man pulled this off. That he somehow planned all this on his own. Told no one else. And no one else figured it out.
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How can you watch the final shot during the Zapruder film and think, "yeah the bullet came from behind?". If Kennedy was shot by Oswald, firing from the School Book depository, he would have been hit, in that final shot, in the back of the head. The SBD was behind the motorcade. The shot obviously comes from the front, or the side, as its his right side of the head that gets hit.



You have to discount the fact that Kennedy was extreme
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musicismylife78

i think E Howard Hunt exposed what happened, a few years back. He stated that LBJ ordered the murder of JFK. He listed several assassins-David Atlee Phillips, Cord Meyer (whose wife was having an affair with JFK), David Morales (CIA), Bill harvey, and a French shooter at the Grassy Knoll.

I think those men are responsible, and are killers. LBJ included.

Also,35 said they heard shots from the knoll. Why shouldnt they be taken seriously?

How about the 3 tramps? Was Woody harrelson's father one of them?

Aero83_

I wish I had more facts, but I don't at this time. What I do have is knowledge from military/professional snipers who have checked out the location in the SBD and said there is no way in hell oswald made that shot with that rifle from that location. When I get time I'll check the E Howard Hunt stuff...

musicismylife78

Aero83_ wrote:

I wish I had more facts, but I don't at this time. What I do have is knowledge from military/professional snipers who have checked out the location in the SBD and said there is no way in hell oswald made that shot with that rifle from that location. When I get time I'll check the E Howard Hunt stuff...

woody harrelson...haha

the woody harrelson thing isnt a joke, maybe you know that. But his dad was long suspected to be one of the 3 tramps.
Yep, E Howard Hunt, gave his son a tape, as he was dying, and he confessed everything that I mentioned above, that LBJ orchestrated it and hired the CIA agents I mentioned.

Pepe Silvia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4QVM2nqYjA

Kel Varnsen

I read an interesting book about the mafia a few years ago that suggested that organized crime was behind the shooting. Most of the crime families in the US were worried since JFK's attorney general (his brother Robert) was going to come down hard on organized crime. They figured that they couldn't kill him since JFK would just appoint someone even harder on crime. Both Jack Ruby and Oswald had connections to the mob. Plus I think there were reports of two mob bosses toasting to the death of Kennedy either just before or just after it happened in some bar in Florida.

VINNY GOOMBA

Pepe Silvia wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4QVM2nqYjA

I love Bill Hicks' take on the whole thing.

Shawshank

I've always found the whole thing fascinating. I don't know that's there anything definitive of a conspiracy, but knowing how much LBJ despised the Vice Presidency, I've never had a problem believing that he could have had some involvement. The man was used to power, and when he became VP, he essentially had no power. Even matters that were usually conferred with a VP, Kennedy did so with his brother Robert. So LBJ was pretty much useless. I'm sure that with everything the military and government contractors had to gain in regards to Vietnam and other policies LBJ was in favor of, it was pretty much a no brainer. They had to get rid of JFK, and if you've ever been to Dealey Plaza it's hard to believe some lackey was able to sit up in that window and pop 3 shots off with such accuracy.

Not to get too far off topic, but I'm somewhat of a history geek. I have a couple of framed items sitting right in front of me on my office wall from my two favorite presidents, one is an item of Kennedy's that was given to me by my friend Robert White back in 1999 along with an autograph. He was the guy who had the absolute largest collection of Kennedy's personal effects and it really pissed off the family. The other framed item, most people either find to be really cool, or really creepy. It's a lock of Abraham Lincoln's hair, along with some other effects of his. Things like locks of hair, were pretty popular back in that time, and they tended to get passed down as family heirlooms. Today it just seems weird, but being the history nut I am, I think it's cool as hell.

No_CoDeyeah

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I read an interesting book about the mafia a few years ago that suggested that organized crime was behind the shooting. Most of the crime families in the US were worried since JFK's attorney general (his brother Robert) was going to come down hard on organized crime. They figured that they couldn't kill him since JFK would just appoint someone even harder on crime. Both Jack Ruby and Oswald had connections to the mob. Plus I think there were reports of two mob bosses toasting to the death of Kennedy either just before or just after it happened in some bar in Florida.

was ellroy book's of course American tabloïd isn't it ?

soulsinging

No_CoDeyeah wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I read an interesting book about the mafia a few years ago that suggested that organized crime was behind the shooting. Most of the crime families in the US were worried since JFK's attorney general (his brother Robert) was going to come down hard on organized crime. They figured that they couldn't kill him since JFK would just appoint someone even harder on crime. Both Jack Ruby and Oswald had connections to the mob. Plus I think there were reports of two mob bosses toasting to the death of Kennedy either just before or just after it happened in some bar in Florida.

was ellroy book's of course American tabloïd isn't it ?

that book's a work of fiction, but i always wanted to read it.

No_CoDeyeah

that's a chef d'œuvre master piece

DeLukin

Who killed JFK?

Kevin Costner

...with horrible acting

...in 1991.

Godfather.

his little bro pissed off the mob and so did he, even if someone walked up to the fbi and said i did it,
nobody will beleive them....my guess is the good fella's did it.

Godfather.

musicismylife78

godfather, you may be right. The mob and the FBI and CIA have always been in cahoots. But I also think it would be crazy to say, just the mafia was involved and no one else. Kennedy was hated by alot of people. He was cracking down on the mob, which made them mad. Then he also was seen as wanting to pull out of vietnam, he wanted to end the war. I think that angered a ton of people. He wasnt as promilitary as alot of folks. I also think, its been shown that LBJ was vindictive and would do anything to be in power. He was the most obvious person to benefit by JFK being assassinated. Other people benefit sure, but him benefiting is a 100 percent correlation.

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

pickupyourwill

musicismylife78 wrote:

The anniverary of his murder was a month ago. What do you think happened on that day in November? Who do you think is responsible?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that most the people responsible are mostly dead because human beings can't keep a secret! Yes, I know that the movie JFK was mostly Hollywood magic, but the facts still remain that many witnesses were "accidentally" killed in car wrecks and things of that nature around that time. It seems that anybody with any real information turned up dead. just an observation.

Kel Varnsen

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

The problem I have always had with making it that big a conspiracy is that people suck at keeping secrets. I mean I could totally buy that a few mob bosses took that kind of secret to the grave (especially if it made them a lot of money). But when you start to get the magnitude of conspiracy you are describing there are tons of people who would have to be in on it. If just one person tells someone and it gets out the whole thing is blown.

Pepe Silvia

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

The problem I have always had with making it that big a conspiracy is that people suck at keeping secrets. I mean I could totally buy that a few mob bosses took that kind of secret to the grave (especially if it made them a lot of money). But when you start to get the magnitude of conspiracy you are describing there are tons of people who would have to be in on it. If just one person tells someone and it gets out the whole thing is blown.

why would a ton of people have to be involved or know about it? there's plenty of black ops practically no one knows about

soulsinging

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

The problem I have always had with making it that big a conspiracy is that people suck at keeping secrets. I mean I could totally buy that a few mob bosses took that kind of secret to the grave (especially if it made them a lot of money). But when you start to get the magnitude of conspiracy you are describing there are tons of people who would have to be in on it. If just one person tells someone and it gets out the whole thing is blown.

why would a ton of people have to be involved or know about it? there's plenty of black ops practically no one knows about

i sort of agree with him. i mean, people around here are talking about a big conspiracy involving the VP, cia, fbi, the mafia, and who knows who else... that's a lot of people to keep quiet without one person blowing a whistle somewhere. i like to think it's not easy to bump into people in the cia and fbi that are totally cool with black ops to kill a sitting president. i'm a cynic, but i also know people that have worked in the field and they're largely decent people. it's not like you can just walk into langley and say "hey, i wanna pop the president, it's good for business, anyone wanna help?"

Godfather.

musicismylife78 wrote:

godfather, you may be right. The mob and the FBI and CIA have always been in cahoots. But I also think it would be crazy to say, just the mafia was involved and no one else. Kennedy was hated by alot of people. He was cracking down on the mob, which made them mad. Then he also was seen as wanting to pull out of vietnam, he wanted to end the war. I think that angered a ton of people. He wasnt as promilitary as alot of folks. I also think, its been shown that LBJ was vindictive and would do anything to be in power. He was the most obvious person to benefit by JFK being assassinated. Other people benefit sure, but him benefiting is a 100 percent correlation.

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

Agreed 100%, on top of all that the investigation was botched up to hide or point evidence in another
direction.

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

soulsinging wrote:

i sort of agree with him. i mean, people around here are talking about a big conspiracy involving the VP, cia, fbi, the mafia, and who knows who else... that's a lot of people to keep quiet without one person blowing a whistle somewhere. i like to think it's not easy to bump into people in the cia and fbi that are totally cool with black ops to kill a sitting president. i'm a cynic, but i also know people that have worked in the field and they're largely decent people. it's not like you can just walk into langley and say "hey, i wanna pop the president, it's good for business, anyone wanna help?"

a lot of people hated kennedy, there are lot's of people who think killing someone, president or not, is worth it in the end. project northwoods went all the way to kennedy until he rejected it, that means a bunch of people thought blowing up an american airliner to coax support into a war was worth it and approved it all the way to the president, all those people thought it was a valid option.

naturally, i doubt there was an ad on the bulletin board but i would think to do it would wouldn't really require all that many people and i'm sure if they were to recruit people to help they would pick people they knew wouldn't have a problem killing the president. it's not like the cia hasn't been involved in assassinations or attempts on foreign officials in the past. iran/contra was kept pretty tightly under wraps until a journalist became a bit nosey.

what's more someone said someone died and gave confessed to their son on their deathbed or something so a whistle was blown

musicismylife78

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.

The problem I have always had with making it that big a conspiracy is that people suck at keeping secrets. I mean I could totally buy that a few mob bosses took that kind of secret to the grave (especially if it made them a lot of money). But when you start to get the magnitude of conspiracy you are describing there are tons of people who would have to be in on it. If just one person tells someone and it gets out the whole thing is blown.

I disagree. People always use this excuse to explain away stuff like this. In general, as a student of history, just crack a history book and read about COINTELPRO and MKULTRA, and other things like that. Conspiracys happen.

The behavior of people in in congress reguarding torture is conspiracy laden. Both sides knew what was going on. BushCheney/Rumsfeld knew obviously and didnt say anything, but we have also learned Reid, Pelousy, and other actually visited these torture sites and saw things and said NOTHING. Doesnt that amount to a conspiracy?

Additionally, just look at how people who are potential whistleblowers are treated! The Truth movement, are often labeled kooks. Tune into Coast to Coast any night of the week, hundreds of people call about UFO's, Aliens and government coverups. Somehow I dont think many people take them seriously.

The point is, your right. People dont keep things secret. But when they do talk, people are called liars, or angry exworkers, or wanting revenge, or just kooks.