JFK assassination theories
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The anniverary of his murder was a month ago. What do you think happened on that day in November? Who do you think is responsible?
I have always thought the official story, the lone gunman, that Oswald alone did it, was complete bunk and made no sense at all.
If you believe the official story you have to swallow-that absurd picture of Oswald, rifle in hand, communist paper in the other, standing in a way that is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone else stand this way, ever. Its ludicrous.
You have to believe that Oswald, despite being a terrible rifleman according to the military, was able to shoot JFK from that cramped window of the Book Depository.'
You have to believe that when Oswald was in New Orleans, it was just a massive coincidence that that entire street was literally crawling with CIA agents who also lived there. Oswald a communist, happened to, just by bad luck, buy a home/apartment on a street where a ton of CIA agents lived.
You have to believe that one man pulled this off. That he somehow planned all this on his own. Told no one else. And no one else figured it out.
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How can you watch the final shot during the Zapruder film and think, "yeah the bullet came from behind?". If Kennedy was shot by Oswald, firing from the School Book depository, he would have been hit, in that final shot, in the back of the head. The SBD was behind the motorcade. The shot obviously comes from the front, or the side, as its his right side of the head that gets hit.
You have to discount the fact that Kennedy was extreme
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I have always thought the official story, the lone gunman, that Oswald alone did it, was complete bunk and made no sense at all.
If you believe the official story you have to swallow-that absurd picture of Oswald, rifle in hand, communist paper in the other, standing in a way that is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone else stand this way, ever. Its ludicrous.
You have to believe that Oswald, despite being a terrible rifleman according to the military, was able to shoot JFK from that cramped window of the Book Depository.'
You have to believe that when Oswald was in New Orleans, it was just a massive coincidence that that entire street was literally crawling with CIA agents who also lived there. Oswald a communist, happened to, just by bad luck, buy a home/apartment on a street where a ton of CIA agents lived.
You have to believe that one man pulled this off. That he somehow planned all this on his own. Told no one else. And no one else figured it out.
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How can you watch the final shot during the Zapruder film and think, "yeah the bullet came from behind?". If Kennedy was shot by Oswald, firing from the School Book depository, he would have been hit, in that final shot, in the back of the head. The SBD was behind the motorcade. The shot obviously comes from the front, or the side, as its his right side of the head that gets hit.
You have to discount the fact that Kennedy was extreme
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I think those men are responsible, and are killers. LBJ included.
Also,35 said they heard shots from the knoll. Why shouldnt they be taken seriously?
How about the 3 tramps? Was Woody harrelson's father one of them?
the woody harrelson thing isnt a joke, maybe you know that. But his dad was long suspected to be one of the 3 tramps.
Yep, E Howard Hunt, gave his son a tape, as he was dying, and he confessed everything that I mentioned above, that LBJ orchestrated it and hired the CIA agents I mentioned.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I love Bill Hicks' take on the whole thing.
Not to get too far off topic, but I'm somewhat of a history geek. I have a couple of framed items sitting right in front of me on my office wall from my two favorite presidents, one is an item of Kennedy's that was given to me by my friend Robert White back in 1999 along with an autograph. He was the guy who had the absolute largest collection of Kennedy's personal effects and it really pissed off the family. The other framed item, most people either find to be really cool, or really creepy.
was ellroy book's of course American tabloïd isn't it ?
that book's a work of fiction, but i always wanted to read it.
Kevin Costner
...with horrible acting
...in 1991.
nobody will beleive them....my guess is the good fella's did it.
Godfather.
Its kind of stunning to think about, just how blatant a coup it was. Almost mindboggling, that the CIA, the mob, LBJ and others murdered a U.S. president, and have gotten away with it, never served a day in prison for it.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that most the people responsible are mostly dead because human beings can't keep a secret! Yes, I know that the movie JFK was mostly Hollywood magic, but the facts still remain that many witnesses were "accidentally" killed in car wrecks and things of that nature around that time. It seems that anybody with any real information turned up dead. just an observation.
The problem I have always had with making it that big a conspiracy is that people suck at keeping secrets. I mean I could totally buy that a few mob bosses took that kind of secret to the grave (especially if it made them a lot of money). But when you start to get the magnitude of conspiracy you are describing there are tons of people who would have to be in on it. If just one person tells someone and it gets out the whole thing is blown.
why would a ton of people have to be involved or know about it? there's plenty of black ops practically no one knows about
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i sort of agree with him. i mean, people around here are talking about a big conspiracy involving the VP, cia, fbi, the mafia, and who knows who else... that's a lot of people to keep quiet without one person blowing a whistle somewhere. i like to think it's not easy to bump into people in the cia and fbi that are totally cool with black ops to kill a sitting president. i'm a cynic, but i also know people that have worked in the field and they're largely decent people. it's not like you can just walk into langley and say "hey, i wanna pop the president, it's good for business, anyone wanna help?"
Agreed 100%, on top of all that the investigation was botched up to hide or point evidence in another
direction.
Godfather.
a lot of people hated kennedy, there are lot's of people who think killing someone, president or not, is worth it in the end. project northwoods went all the way to kennedy until he rejected it, that means a bunch of people thought blowing up an american airliner to coax support into a war was worth it and approved it all the way to the president, all those people thought it was a valid option.
naturally, i doubt there was an ad on the bulletin board but i would think to do it would wouldn't really require all that many people and i'm sure if they were to recruit people to help they would pick people they knew wouldn't have a problem killing the president. it's not like the cia hasn't been involved in assassinations or attempts on foreign officials in the past. iran/contra was kept pretty tightly under wraps until a journalist became a bit nosey.
what's more someone said someone died and gave confessed to their son on their deathbed or something so a whistle was blown
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I disagree. People always use this excuse to explain away stuff like this. In general, as a student of history, just crack a history book and read about COINTELPRO and MKULTRA, and other things like that. Conspiracys happen.
The behavior of people in in congress reguarding torture is conspiracy laden. Both sides knew what was going on. BushCheney/Rumsfeld knew obviously and didnt say anything, but we have also learned Reid, Pelousy, and other actually visited these torture sites and saw things and said NOTHING. Doesnt that amount to a conspiracy?
Additionally, just look at how people who are potential whistleblowers are treated! The Truth movement, are often labeled kooks. Tune into Coast to Coast any night of the week, hundreds of people call about UFO's, Aliens and government coverups. Somehow I dont think many people take them seriously.
The point is, your right. People dont keep things secret. But when they do talk, people are called liars, or angry exworkers, or wanting revenge, or just kooks.
why would a ton of people have to be involved or know about it? there's plenty of black ops practically no one knows about[/quote]
i sort of agree with him. i mean, people around here are talking about a big conspiracy involving the VP, cia, fbi, the mafia, and who knows who else... that's a lot of people to keep quiet without one person blowing a whistle somewhere. i like to think it's not easy to bump into people in the cia and fbi that are totally cool with black ops to kill a sitting president. i'm a cynic, but i also know people that have worked in the field and they're largely decent people. it's not like you can just walk into langley and say "hey, i wanna pop the president, it's good for business, anyone wanna help?"[/quote]
We dont live in a vaccum. There have been countless people who have talked about their knowledge of how both Kennedys died, or how MLK died, or Roswell, or whatever. You make it sound like no one has EVER come forward and spoken about what they knew in any situation where conspiracy is suspected. Thats bunk plain and simple.
I also think Oswald WAS involved. I think he was, what he always claimed to be "a patsy". I think they recruited him, they ended up getting a ton of people involved, including the CIA agents i listed, Oswald knew all this, and was silenced for his troubles. Jack Ruby, now theres another twist and turn in the case.
Talk about whistleblowers folks, this is my point. Oswald was claiming his was a patsy, publicly from the moment they arrested him. Thats someone not keeping their mouths shut. He blew the whistle. Secondly, Jack Ruby, also blew the whistle. He publicly stated many times, that he acted not for himself, but that he was doing LBJ's bidding. That the answer "goes all the way to the guy in office right now" he said.
Again, how was these 2 confessions taken by the media, or the public? Were they looked at as serious, important and real statements about the nature of one of the most important events in American History, or were they written off as the statements of 2 people who were deranged?
a lot of people have come forward.....they have been ignored.
typical.
Things like MKULTRA kind of prove my point. The CIA tried to have a secret operation and it totally leaked because there were so many people involved in it.
yes, but MKULTRA happened not just here but in other countries, it was a pretty big operation. i still don't think it would have to take all that many people to do something like this, especially if the CIA were involved. huge operations get found out eventually a lot of the time because there's just too many people, smaller black ops stay secret pretty much forever and don't need a ton of people or experiment subjects.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Another point to consider with conspiracies, particularly involving the government, people rarely question or call out their superiors, whether it's police, military, FBI, CIA, etc... mostly for the reasons I have mentioned above. It's a pyramid structure, and if it's corrupt at the top, it's corrupt all the way on down. The major differences are that at the top is where the planning and action happens, which is protected by security and secrecy clearances. The corruption towards the bottom is merely failing to take any action correcting the wrongdoing of their superiors.
If you were planning some big conspiracy, you would be sure to have multiple stories ready to unleash on the public right away. All it would take is a couple of phone calls to reporters while the 'facts' are being determined, and the media would run with it long enough for the theory to get some traction, and cause confusion and dissent between anyone looking into it for eternity...
But this is what makes these discussions so interesting.
I wish driftin was around for this one; he seems to be the go-to authority on JFK around here. The link he posted a year or two ago about a JFK jr assasination theory was good food for thought.
It happened.
I think the Kennedy assassination is the granddaddy of conspiracy theories, or maybe it just seems that way to me because I live near Dallas and I was alive when it happened. There are lots of people in this area who are conspiracy experts, so I've been hearing about it for a very long time. I used to believe there was a conspiracy. I don't anymore. I know I'm in the minority so I don't debate it very often.
Just seems to me that if there was an organized effort to kill a sitting president they would have picked a more logical venue with fewer risks of a slip up. This one had all the fingerprints of a grandstander who wanted to be in the public eye. Particularly since he made an attempt on another public figure several weeks earlier.
But like I said, that's just me.
wow well said, but ain't a conspiracy a bit more interesting then the lone gunman story
remember all the Elvis sighting's ? ha ha I don't beleieve the bigfoot story's or the ufo theory's
either, I'm a show me kinda person.
all the stuff I have read and watched on t.v is too full of hole's for me to believe the lone gunman story
but who really knows ?
Godfather.
i think the speculation with Marilyn Monroe comes from....forget the term, but when you die the blood settles down because o gravity and it is no longer pumping through your body, so it settles down and leaves discoloration. when Monroe was found they swore the body wasn't moved....she was found on her stomach....but the discoloration from the blood was on her back, so she had to have been flipped over onto her belly after she died. there were other things but i never really looked too far into it.
with Kennedy, Bill Hicks had it right: it's as easy as 'back and to the left' if you get hit in the head from a bullet your head should go in the direction the bullet was going, not the opposite. shoot a soda can and then tell me if it was knocked backwards or flew forward towards you
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'