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The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

It is a fact that Embiid has never been healthy...

He keeps bringing up this thing from last year that was specifically regarding his foot though and was acting like he would never step on the court for the Sixers. The foot's fine and was fine last year. He wouldn't have been on the court to start the season last year if it wasn't. He then hurt his knee a few months later and they stupidly let him play against the Rockets a week later and made it worse. 

They just brought on Barcelona FC's doctor a few days ago. Hopefully this guy knows his shit.

Got it.  Makes sense.

I did see they hired a new doc.  Did not realize it was a Barca doc.  Wonder how Embiid feels about that?!  Huge Real Madrid fan.  That's a funny connection.

"and embiid will never be healthy. big man with bad feet (and bad attitude apparently) is a really bad combo. two surgeries already. forget anticipating any contribution from him and be thankful if you get anything at any point from him."

That in addition to him saying a healthy Embiid isn't worth 15 wins (which was also proven false) is what started this stupid argument he continues to bring up again and again...like all his other stupid nonsense.

also:

YOU'RE a funny connection.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

No one knows if Embiid can stay healthy. It's not exactly a hot take to say a big man with foot problems is going to have health issues.

It becomes a hot take when you categorically state he will never be healthy and to not expect any contribution from him at all. Also funny to see him say he's not worth an additional 13 wins.

IF he was healthy would there be a minutes restriciiton? If he was healthy would he be playing in back to backs? If he was healthy would he have played one of the last two games? again too early to call on his health. i've admitted before it's shocking how good Embiid has been so far which I think you agree with. No one saw him being this good this year after a 2 year layoff. it's one of the most stunning things we've seen around here. I am must glad you've finally learned to spell his name. and no never said they needed to be championship caliber this year. the process to have worked needs to produce that type of team eventually. right now they are what 4 years in and still at 17-27. Long way to go to call the process a success. long long way.

He was always going to have minutes restrictions in his first year back. You categorically stated he would never be healthy and to not expect any production out of him at all....while saying there was no way Saric would be here this year. Wrong on both counts. Nobody promised a championship to you. We've only seen one pro championship in this town in over 30 years. That's a ridiculously hot takey thing to say. All people said was this 3 year process was the best possible avenue towards getting a team that could compete at that level. You can make the argument that the Sixers are in better shape than the other teams in the city right now. Enjoy the ride.

so you didn't answer the question(s). is he healthy or not? if he is healthy why agree with minutes restrictions? absolutely was wrong on Saric but almost everyone was. And again no one expected Embiid to be this good this early. NO ONE. I never said champsionship. i said championship caliber. they have to get to the top of the eastern conference or very close to it. so you are saying tanking for 4 years was ok even if they only get to mediocrity like they were before the Hinkie process? umm ok sure

He is healthy. They are being as cautious as possible with him, which is smart. You said to not expect any production at all and to be lucky if we got something for him in a trade. Ridiculous. I know you were wrong on both counts. Agreed. Nobody promised you a championship or a championship caliber team, Takes. They tanked for 3 years because it was the best possible avenue to put them into that position. A decade of doing things the other way got them nowhere. This is the same stuff that has been explained to you for the past few years now. Patience is a virtue. This is the first year out of the tank, and you're already seeing results. Onward and upward.

tempo_n_groove

The Fixer said:

I think this Irving trade increases the slim chances that the sixers have of bringing lebron here next year.  I also think the celtics are really dumb for giving up so much for Irving -- so overrated and always hurt.

Sorry I'm late on this but, WHAT?

Lebron to the Sixers?  He has a better chance at going to the Knicks...

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Fixer said:

I think this Irving trade increases the slim chances that the sixers have of bringing lebron here next year.  I also think the celtics are really dumb for giving up so much for Irving -- so overrated and always hurt.

Sorry I'm late on this but, WHAT?

Lebron to the Sixers?  He has a better chance at going to the Knicks...

No chance in hell he would go to the Knicks. There's a slightly higher chance he goes to the Sixers over the Knicks since Sixers are in a much better situation for the future. 

tempo_n_groove

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Fixer said:

I think this Irving trade increases the slim chances that the sixers have of bringing lebron here next year.  I also think the celtics are really dumb for giving up so much for Irving -- so overrated and always hurt.

Sorry I'm late on this but, WHAT?

Lebron to the Sixers?  He has a better chance at going to the Knicks...

No chance in hell he would go to the Knicks. There's a slightly higher chance he goes to the Sixers over the Knicks since Sixers are in a much better situation for the future. 

Actually there's a better chance at monkeys flying out my rear.

He won't be going to either of them.  I'll bet money on that.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

The Fixer said:

I think this Irving trade increases the slim chances that the sixers have of bringing lebron here next year.  I also think the celtics are really dumb for giving up so much for Irving -- so overrated and always hurt.

Sorry I'm late on this but, WHAT?

Lebron to the Sixers?  He has a better chance at going to the Knicks...

No chance in hell he would go to the Knicks. There's a slightly higher chance he goes to the Sixers over the Knicks since Sixers are in a much better situation for the future. 

Actually there's a better chance at monkeys flying out my rear.

He won't be going to either of them.  I'll bet money on that.

I agree he's not coming here. I'm just saying the odds would be better at him coming here than going to the Knicks.

Jearlpam0925

I love this article - https://theathletic.com/111569/2017/09/26/in-the-lab-suggesting-some-sixers-lineups-brett-brown-can-experiment-with/

I think I am irrationally excited about this team now.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 said:

I love this article - https://theathletic.com/111569/2017/09/26/in-the-lab-suggesting-some-sixers-lineups-brett-brown-can-experiment-with/

I think I am irrationally excited about this team now.

Tons of versatility with this roster....

eeriepadave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_dMHRHB8zU

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

It is a fact that Embiid has never been healthy...

They just brought on Barcelona FC's doctor a few days ago. Hopefully this guy knows his shit.

like, the soccer docs who bring in a stretcher for a guy who was barely touched? roger, that.

The Juggler

A little basketball tonight, eh gents?

Jearlpam0925

Yeah buddy. I was perusing tickets for a game, and holy shit. This exclusive Stub Hub thing is for the birds.

JK_Livin

If the Sixers can shoot, Ben could avg 10 assists. Surprised that Holmes looked so bad on D. Simmons and Fultz took no jumpers.

The Juggler

JK_Livin said:

If the Sixers can shoot, Ben could avg 10 assists. Surprised that Holmes looked so bad on D. Simmons and Fultz took no jumpers.

Eh....first preseason game. Everyone was a little rusty.

Simmons is going to be a fucking super star. His court vision is like nothing this team has had since I can remember. So excited for this season to start.

eeriepadave

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20971278/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-accepts-max-rookie-scale-contract-extension

The Juggler

eeriepadave said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20971278/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-accepts-max-rookie-scale-contract-extension

...with injury insurance. Trust it.

GO SIXERS.

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

eeriepadave said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20971278/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-accepts-max-rookie-scale-contract-extension

...with injury insurance. Trust it.

GO SIXERS.

thought they would let him become a restricted free agent until they see how many games he plays this year but hard to quarrel with giving him the deal.  at least that is out of the way and don't have to deal with it. now if he can only get on the court on a daily basis

The Juggler

Probably will hear more on details tomorrow but looks like the Sixers have a nice insurance plan if he gets hurt again. Can't wait for season to start:

http://hoopshype.com/2017/10/09/joel-embiid-might-have-the-most-complicated-extension-in-nba-history/

Joel Embiid might have the most complicated extension in NBA history

Joel Embiid might have the most complicated extension in NBA history

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Joel Embiid might have the most complicated extension in NBA history

October 9, 2017- by Bryan Kalbrosky

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By: Bryan Kalbrosky | October 9, 2017

Philadelphia 76ers big man Joel Embiid signed a huge contract extension despite the fact that he has an extensive injury history and has played in just 31 NBA games.

Embiid's extension has been described to me as "perhaps the most complex" in NBA history. Expect a lot of details to trickle out.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) October 9, 2017

Adrian Wojnarowski indicates Embiid has contract incentives based on whether he makes All-NBA teams or wins the Most Valuable Player award. The report also mentions that the contract includes language that offers Philadelphia some kind of reassurance in case Embiid suffers more injury setbacks (via ESPN):

“The deal will include some salary-cap protection for the 76ers should Embiid suffer injury that causes him to miss significant playing time, league sources said.”

As a way to protect the front office from spending surplus money on a player who may be sidelined for a prolonged period due to his prior health issues, the teams could have included several clauses in the contract.

If the organization decided to factor this into the equation, they may have used a contract model similar to what the Nets once offered Brook Lopez.

According to NBA insider Bobby Marks, the front office in Brooklyn was concerned about offering Lopez big money if he was going to have any of the same lingering problems from the 2011-12 and 2013-14 seasons (via ESPN):

“What the Nets and Lopez agreed upon was a three-year, $64 million contract that guaranteed $19.7 million in the first year but included protection language that would reduce compensation in years 2 (50 percent) and 3 (25 percent) if Lopez were to injure the same right foot, not appear on the active roster for 62 games and average fewer than 15 MPG in 2015-16.”

Marks predicted that if Embiid were to fail to appear on the 76ers’ active roster for “fewer than 51 games” during the 2018-19 season, Philadelphia could “reduce the remaining compensation owed” to 50 percent in each year of the deal.

We don’t know yet the actual figures of what Embiid and the front office decided. Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports originally reported that the deal contains a 50 percent guarantee, though this post was since deleted.

Assuming Shams has the % right, if Embiid doesn't stay healthy, he's making less money than the Lakers paid Mozgov. Take that gamble any day

— Kyle Neubeck (@KyleNeubeck) October 9, 2017

However, this means that an unhealthy Embiid would make $74 million on a five-year deal. This would be $14.8 million per year, less than the $16 million that Brooklyn will annually pay fellow big man Timofey Mozgov.

Of course, Embiid has one of the highest ceilings and potential for players at his position in the NBA. We can expect, based on a tweet from ESPN’s Zach Lowe, the deal to be complicated.

If he can stay healthy and effective, it will be well worth it for both parties. If not, it seems Philadelphia likely has a method in place to avoid huge risk.

The Juggler

Fultz's new shot resembles Philip Seymour Hoffman's in Along Came Polly.

What was he thinking? 

JK_Livin

Simmons -31 last night. Sixers made me turn on that garbage football game last night.