Will everyone just be patient....

zootown

LongRd. wrote:

All record sales have dropped ever since the ipod, itunes, limewire, sharebear, and etc... have become popular.

Plus, most of the album buyers are kids and teenagers. Grunge was the biggest genre in '92-'95, and PJ, AIC, Nirvana, SG, were all feeding off of that...then the teen pop thing came along, they were selling alot hot cakes.
when the teen pop thing died so did Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears (look at their recent record sales).

The record sales USUALLY indicate if an artist is popular with the kids/teens/college students.

Pearl Jam's majority fan base are 25+

I agree. I think alot of fans bought Pearl Jam records not knowing that much about them, but simply because they were a "grunge band". Nowadays, I think Pearl Jam's popularity has returned due to the live gigs and folks my age (late 30's to early 40's) remaining loyal through the death of grunge

zootown

LukinFan wrote:

I work with the same age group and about 5% of them have heard of Pearl Jam. I have a PJ sticker behind my desk and each year I have students ask me, "What's a Pearl Jam"

That's interesting. Judging only from your listing of shows attended, Im guessing that you are someplace in the Southeast. Here in Montana, I guess Pearl Jam may have more of a place in the collective consciousness, especially here in Missoula. So, maybe it has more to do with location? Cool...

DiRtyFranK38

in 92 and 93 the fans werent as they are now. sure they may have taken over the world and sold alot more, but a huge part of it was because of the hype and everyone was like these guys are great, and picked up an album. nowadays, someone heard that, theyd download a few songs to check them out. also, i think what he meant is that now pearl jam has a huge cult like following. all us fans on this board are pretty much nuts for this band. not many bands this day and age have a fan base like this thats why. a dedicated obsessed fanbase. us fans now are alot more needy then 92 - 93.

2-feign-reluctance

zootown wrote:

Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.

that's true for my job too. its cool. what the hell is a 'real fan' anyway? what are the criteria? let's hope it has nothing to do with the number of posts you make on this board. do you have to have attended a show between 90-94 or something? i met people younger than me during the 98 tour who saw them for the first time and were hooked. are they 'real fans?'

DiRtyFranK38

zootown wrote:

That's interesting. Judging only from your listing of shows attended, Im guessing that you are someplace in the Southeast. Here in Montana, I guess Pearl Jam may have more of a place in the collective consciousness, especially here in Missoula. So, maybe it has more to do with location? Cool...

i AM 15 and i live in CT. at my high school, just about everyone knows who pearl jam is. people who actually like them...ehhh ok amount. people who love them .. very slim..i can just about gauruntee that i am the only 10c member who is so taken by pj's music. however, like i said, majority of the people in my high school at least know who they are and actually have heard their hits.

zootown

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

that's true for my job too. its cool. what the hell is a 'real fan' anyway? what are the criteria? let's hope it has nothing to do with the number of posts you make on this board. do you have to have attended a show between 90-94 or something? i met people younger than me during the 98 tour who saw them for the first time and were hooked. are they 'real fans?'

I think what I mean by a "real fan" is a person who genuinely digs the music. it has nothing to do with age, or duration of time being a fan. But I have certainly encountered folks who had no working knowledge of the music or songs, and instead showed up to gigs or other events because they are "star-struck", and wanted to see as many shows as possible simply to brag to their friends, or say they touched Ed or whatever. These are posers in my eyes. I mean, its' a free country and all, and if you buy a ticket you are entitled to take the ride. I just think it's cool when fans reciprocate the love and integrity, rather than just to add to their autograph collection or post pics on their myspace page. This is the difference between real fans and bandwagoneers. If you need any further example of this, just see the Grateful Dead....they became SOOO huge and eventually got choked off by their own popularity because alot of people showed up at gigs to score drugs and act irresponsibly, having nothing to do with the band or their music.

Dogman3

All my friends know WHO Pearl Jam is. Well, then again, they're all also musicians, but the point is, Pearl Jam is well known by many of us teenagers. Generation Y will keep Pearl Jam alive

beachdweller

zootown wrote:

Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...

welcome to one of the most negative places on earth...ok, that's a slight exaggeration

LONGRD

LongRd. wrote:

All record sales have dropped ever since the ipod, itunes, limewire, sharebear, and etc... have become popular.

Plus, most of the album buyers are kids and teenagers. Grunge was the biggest genre in '92-'95, and PJ, AIC, Nirvana, SG, were all feeding off of that...then the teen pop thing came along, they were selling alot hot cakes.
when the teen pop thing died so did Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears (look at their recent record sales).

The record sales USUALLY indicate if an artist is popular with the kids/teens/college students.

Pearl Jam's majority fan base are 25+

zootown wrote:

I agree.I think alot of fans bought Pearl Jam records not knowing that much about them, but simply because they were a "grunge band". Nowadays, I think Pearl Jam's popularity has returned due to the live gigs and folks my age (late 30's to early 40's) remaining loyal through the death of grunge

Yeah, totally. I'll use Christina Aguilera as an example because she's still relevant in the music industry, while the other teen pop acts are gone. Her latest CD did not go multi-platinum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Aguilera_discography
the majority buyers are kids. And nowadays, they just download them for free.

In a way, i think Pearl Jam's fan base is much much better because we're all mature. (OK, some of us still act like kids once in awhile )

zootown

beachdweller wrote:

welcome to one of the most negative places on earth...ok, that's a slight exaggeration

Haha

rarghrargh-brownstar

Gmoney wrote:

zootown are you jeff?

LOL

you guys are such losers!!
i can stop crying- and its not even that funny.

sorry carry on.

(no sleep and caffeine)

also, we DO have influence on them- havent you seen my no tour thread.

ok back to work.

but yup, they are big boys- they can take care of themselves. just like they always have with major decisions. and its great that people think about their needs too....so we're all good here.

is it really Jeff? soo not that funny, but I still cant stop laughing. anyone else? I know that not sleeping at all and consumption of the caffeine I am not use to is a big factor....but just checking. sorry, carry on. back to work (should be sleep) for me.

Happy New Year again everyone!!!

ps also, I might be dehydrated- we all need to drink more water!!! even if its not the 8 thats recommended, try 5. better than nothing right?

zootown

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

LOL

you guys are such losers!!
i can stop crying- and its not even that funny.

sorry carry on.

(no sleep and caffeine)

also, we DO have influence on them- havent you seen my no tour thread.

ok back to work.

but yup, they are big boys- they can take care of themselves. just like they always have with major decisions. and its great that people think about their needs too....so we're all good here.

is it really Jeff? soo not that funny, but I still cant stop laughing. anyone else? I know that not sleeping at all and consumption of the caffeine I am not use to is a big factor....but just checking. sorry, carry on. back to work (should be sleep) for me.

Happy New Year again everyone!!!

ps also, I might be dehydrated- we all need to drink more water!!! even if its not the 8 thats recommended, try 5. better than nothing right?

yeah, I just hope you are not operating any heavy machinery....

rarghrargh-brownstar

zootown wrote:

yeah, I just hope you are not operating any heavy machinery....

ha ha dear God no. Its quite obvious that "I" am the loser. but it was a term of endearment....nonetheless.

Ironically, all the fans that I know with pics are the big fans. I personally feel uncomfortable doing it....but to each their own. but yes, there might be some "poseur" fans out there. hopefully not too many.

maybe I am one and dont even know it? am I a bad fan if I dont know their sexual orientation, if they even have kids??? its always been about the music- and thats how they've always honestly promoted themselves...thanks for showing concern for the group- we are lucky to have them in this world.
anywhoose- ciao.

Hope everyone has a great weekend. 2008?? Hope its a good one for all.

AnnaMelinda

But 2007...They played 14 shows!

I don't think it's hoping for something crazy to *hope hope hope* for at least a few shows in 2008.

Jeanwah

If everyone on here were real fans and truly loved and respected the band, we'd give them their very well deserved break and then some! Creating takes time and energy and if we want another great album, tour, etc. we need to let them take their time...and we'll be patiently waiting!!

Gmoney

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

LOL

you guys are such losers!!
i can stop crying- and its not even that funny.

sorry carry on.

(no sleep and caffeine)

also, we DO have influence on them- havent you seen my no tour thread.

ok back to work.

but yup, they are big boys- they can take care of themselves. just like they always have with major decisions. and its great that people think about their needs too....so we're all good here.

is it really Jeff? soo not that funny, but I still cant stop laughing. anyone else? I know that not sleeping at all and consumption of the caffeine I am not use to is a big factor....but just checking. sorry, carry on. back to work (should be sleep) for me.

Happy New Year again everyone!!!

ps also, I might be dehydrated- we all need to drink more water!!! even if its not the 8 thats recommended, try 5. better than nothing right?

hey nobody calls $ a loser!!
well at least it made you laugh, it was a joke bc he was so pro pj having time off...

redrock

zootown wrote:

Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.

Why would these new fans be 'bandwagonners'? PJ is not a 'trendy' band, their music is not the easiest to get into... Praise these 13-18 year olds who discovered a band and will continue to enjoy their music for years to come!

PS... rargh.. can I have some of whatever you're having?

Mikkl

I've started listening to Pearl Jam two years ago (when I was bout 16) Thanks to my dad who had some Pearl Jam stuff at home. Thank God he listened to Pearl Jam

When I heard they were playing at Werchter in 2007 I almost immediately bought myself a 4-day ticket. And now i'm, well, in some way addicted.

I'm still on a hunt trying to get most albums of the band, because I rather have an album I can 'touch' or something like that. Not some mp3-collection.

But to be honest, they deserve some rest after the 2007 tour if you ask me.
But that's just my '2-year' fan opinion

Cosmo

zootown wrote:

Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...

...
I think there's a huge difference between NEED and WANT. And yeah.. I don't need nor want a tour or album.... I would like one... and if one came along, I'd take it. But, as far as a need or want... there are other things that rank higher on my priority list.

zootown

Wow- it's been an eye opener for me to hear from folks still in their teens singing the praises of the band. That's cool. By no way did I mean to imply that teens are automatically "bandwagoneers' or poseurs. In fact, in my experience, teens are some of the most honest and real folks I know.