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zootownzootown Posts: 666
edited January 2008 in The Porch
Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...
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  • jorgemsjorgems Posts: 275
    this is post is preety gay...but thats just my opinion...
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  • LizardLizard Posts: 12,091
    jorgems wrote:
    this is post is preety gay...but thats just my opinion...

    that's not "discussing" !!!

    ;)
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  • Come Back in BlackCome Back in Black Posts: 659
    The "bandwaggon" left in like 94-95.... they have been trickling off real fans ever since.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    i wish i had a job where i could take a year break.....:rolleyes:
  • vingt-septvingt-sept Posts: 14
    That's why they're called fans. They are always in "need". They will always want the band touring, releasing new stuff, making appearances. There's nothing you can do about it so just let them be, man! :D
  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    The "bandwaggon" left in like 94-95.... they have been trickling off real fans ever since.

    Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.
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  • riffrandallriffrandall Posts: 685
    zootown wrote:
    Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...

    Um.. he hasn't been "EVERYWHERE".. he wasn't at Bridge like he was s'posed to be.

    And yes I know there was (probably) a good reason, but the last minute thing still sucked & it was not an even swap by any means.
    Sooo.. you'll forgive me if I'm still smarting over what might have been & wishing for a tour.
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    vingt-sept wrote:
    That's why they're called fans. They are always in "need". They will always want the band touring, releasing new stuff, making appearances. There's nothing you can do about it so just let them be, man! :D

    Hey, Im not trying to piss off anyone, it just seems that a band with as much integrity and energy as Pearl Jam may need some additional time to recharge the batteries.
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  • deadnotedeadnote Posts: 1,678
    it would be cool to hear some new songs although i still need to pick up riot act
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  • UndyTakerUndyTaker Posts: 358
    zootown wrote:
    Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.


    No offense, but if you think today's fan base is as large as '92-'93, then you're nuts.
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    UndieTaker wrote:
    No offense, but if you think today's fan base is as large as '92-'93, then you're nuts.

    You may be right. It just seems that back in 92, the grunge movement was so huge, and Pearl Jam was always considered part of that genre...there were plenty of grunge fans that happened to like PJ. Nowadays, with grunge dead, it seems that fans of Pearl Jam are fans of this one specific band, rather than an entire genre...does this make sense?
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  • riffrandallriffrandall Posts: 685
    zootown wrote:
    You may be right. It just seems that back in 92, the grunge movement was so huge, and Pearl Jam was always considered part of that genre...there were plenty of grunge fans that happened to like PJ. Nowadays, with grunge dead, it seems that fans of Pearl Jam are fans of this one specific band, rather than an entire genre...does this make sense?


    Pearl Jam is a really easy band to ignore if you're outside the circle & don't really care about them.
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  • vingt-septvingt-sept Posts: 14
    zootown wrote:
    Hey, Im not trying to piss off anyone, it just seems that a band with as much integrity and energy as Pearl Jam may need some additional time to recharge the batteries.

    Oh, I'm not pissed off. :)
    But I think, Pearl Jam would never do anything like releasing a new album, or go off tour, if they didn't want and feel prepared to do it, so I guess there's no need worry about it. They're veterans after all, they know what they're doing.
  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    zootown wrote:
    Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.

    You must not have been around from 93-95. Vs. sold a million copies the first WEEK. I don't think the past few albums have hit a million total. They were probably the biggest band in the world. They are nothing near what they were in terms of popularity.
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    zootown wrote:
    Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...
    That's what I keep telling my boss! I'm tired, wouldn't you rather I take a month's vacation and then come back all rested, excited and motivated! She says no, cause she's a jerk, just like Pearl Jam fans.
  • GmoneyGmoney Posts: 1,618
    zootown are you jeff?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    zootown wrote:
    Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...

    is that you jeff :D
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Posts: 29,050
    zootown wrote:
    Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.
    I work with the same age group and about 5% of them have heard of Pearl Jam. I have a PJ sticker behind my desk and each year I have students ask me, "What's a Pearl Jam"
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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    You must not have been around from 93-95. Vs. sold a million copies the first WEEK. I don't think the past few albums have hit a million total. They were probably the biggest band in the world. They are nothing near what they were in terms of popularity.
    All record sales have dropped ever since the ipod, itunes, limewire, sharebear, and etc... have become popular.

    Plus, most of the album buyers are kids and teenagers. Grunge was the biggest genre in '92-'95, and PJ, AIC, Nirvana, SG, were all feeding off of that...then the teen pop thing came along, they were selling alot hot cakes.
    when the teen pop thing died so did Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears (look at their recent record sales).

    The record sales USUALLY indicate if an artist is popular with the kids/teens/college students.

    Pearl Jam's majority fan base are 25+
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  • EddieWouldKnowEddieWouldKnow Posts: 771
    This has nothing to do with patience...I am patient when my 4 year old takes 45 minutes to put her sock on...I am patient when I have to wait in rush hour traffic.

    Being patient is a conscious response to an otherwise ideal situation.

    This is chemical...like a drug... an unbelievably addictive drug.

    I'm not gonna apologize....I want them all well rested and happy to see us...

    BUT I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT TOUR :D:D:D

    Sooner than later please ;)
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    LongRd. wrote:
    All record sales have dropped ever since the ipod, itunes, limewire, sharebear, and etc... have become popular.

    Plus, most of the album buyers are kids and teenagers. Grunge was the biggest genre in '92-'95, and PJ, AIC, Nirvana, SG, were all feeding off of that...then the teen pop thing came along, they were selling alot hot cakes.
    when the teen pop thing died so did Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears (look at their recent record sales).

    The record sales USUALLY indicate if an artist is popular with the kids/teens/college students.

    Pearl Jam's majority fan base are 25+

    I agree. I think alot of fans bought Pearl Jam records not knowing that much about them, but simply because they were a "grunge band". Nowadays, I think Pearl Jam's popularity has returned due to the live gigs and folks my age (late 30's to early 40's) remaining loyal through the death of grunge
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    LukinFan wrote:
    I work with the same age group and about 5% of them have heard of Pearl Jam. I have a PJ sticker behind my desk and each year I have students ask me, "What's a Pearl Jam"


    That's interesting. Judging only from your listing of shows attended, Im guessing that you are someplace in the Southeast. Here in Montana, I guess Pearl Jam may have more of a place in the collective consciousness, especially here in Missoula. So, maybe it has more to do with location? Cool...
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  • DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    in 92 and 93 the fans werent as they are now. sure they may have taken over the world and sold alot more, but a huge part of it was because of the hype and everyone was like these guys are great, and picked up an album. nowadays, someone heard that, theyd download a few songs to check them out. also, i think what he meant is that now pearl jam has a huge cult like following. all us fans on this board are pretty much nuts for this band. not many bands this day and age have a fan base like this thats why. a dedicated obsessed fanbase. us fans now are alot more needy then 92 - 93.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance Posts: 23,308
    zootown wrote:
    Do you think. It seems that their popularity is as big as ever right now...I work with alot of kids (13-18 year olds) and I am always surprised to discover how many of them even know who Eddie Vedder is.


    that's true for my job too. its cool. what the hell is a 'real fan' anyway? what are the criteria? let's hope it has nothing to do with the number of posts you make on this board. do you have to have attended a show between 90-94 or something? i met people younger than me during the 98 tour who saw them for the first time and were hooked. are they 'real fans?'
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  • DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    zootown wrote:
    That's interesting. Judging only from your listing of shows attended, Im guessing that you are someplace in the Southeast. Here in Montana, I guess Pearl Jam may have more of a place in the collective consciousness, especially here in Missoula. So, maybe it has more to do with location? Cool...

    i AM 15 and i live in CT. at my high school, just about everyone knows who pearl jam is. people who actually like them...ehhh ok amount. people who love them .. very slim..i can just about gauruntee that i am the only 10c member who is so taken by pj's music. however, like i said, majority of the people in my high school at least know who they are and actually have heard their hits.
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    that's true for my job too. its cool. what the hell is a 'real fan' anyway? what are the criteria? let's hope it has nothing to do with the number of posts you make on this board. do you have to have attended a show between 90-94 or something? i met people younger than me during the 98 tour who saw them for the first time and were hooked. are they 'real fans?'

    I think what I mean by a "real fan" is a person who genuinely digs the music. it has nothing to do with age, or duration of time being a fan. But I have certainly encountered folks who had no working knowledge of the music or songs, and instead showed up to gigs or other events because they are "star-struck", and wanted to see as many shows as possible simply to brag to their friends, or say they touched Ed or whatever. These are posers in my eyes. I mean, its' a free country and all, and if you buy a ticket you are entitled to take the ride. I just think it's cool when fans reciprocate the love and integrity, rather than just to add to their autograph collection or post pics on their myspace page. This is the difference between real fans and bandwagoneers. If you need any further example of this, just see the Grateful Dead....they became SOOO huge and eventually got choked off by their own popularity because alot of people showed up at gigs to score drugs and act irresponsibly, having nothing to do with the band or their music.
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  • Dogman3Dogman3 Posts: 330
    All my friends know WHO Pearl Jam is. Well, then again, they're all also musicians, but the point is, Pearl Jam is well known by many of us teenagers. Generation Y will keep Pearl Jam alive :)
  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    zootown wrote:
    Im not a regular visitor to this board and I mostly just read posts with interest, but I have to say all this talk of "needing" another tour to start or expecting another studio album seems somewhat overboard. Wouldn't all of you rather have a well-rested, excited and motivated Pearl Jam when they tour again, or a tired, overworked band whose performances may be sub-par. Eddie has seemed to be everywhere since last August, and I have a hard time imagining he has the energy to head out on tour with Pearl Jam right now. Let the man rest...Besides, Im hoping that if they take an extended break (like 12-15 months), some of the "fans" that are bandwagoneers will take a flying leap. Discuss...

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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    LongRd. wrote:
    All record sales have dropped ever since the ipod, itunes, limewire, sharebear, and etc... have become popular.

    Plus, most of the album buyers are kids and teenagers. Grunge was the biggest genre in '92-'95, and PJ, AIC, Nirvana, SG, were all feeding off of that...then the teen pop thing came along, they were selling alot hot cakes.
    when the teen pop thing died so did Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears (look at their recent record sales).

    The record sales USUALLY indicate if an artist is popular with the kids/teens/college students.

    Pearl Jam's majority fan base are 25+
    zootown wrote:
    I agree.I think alot of fans bought Pearl Jam records not knowing that much about them, but simply because they were a "grunge band". Nowadays, I think Pearl Jam's popularity has returned due to the live gigs and folks my age (late 30's to early 40's) remaining loyal through the death of grunge
    Yeah, totally. I'll use Christina Aguilera as an example because she's still relevant in the music industry, while the other teen pop acts are gone. Her latest CD did not go multi-platinum.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Aguilera_discography
    the majority buyers are kids. And nowadays, they just download them for free.

    In a way, i think Pearl Jam's fan base is much much better because we're all mature. (OK, some of us still act like kids once in awhile :D)
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    beachdweller wrote:
    welcome to one of the most negative places on earth...ok, that's a slight exaggeration :)


    Haha
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