2010 Tour advice needed.
veddertown
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A message to the more experienced PJ traveller here. I'm trying to decide once we know for sure of dates which way to get a better experience of live PJ for the first time. I'd love the Euro dates to be like 2000 but seeing as there looks like maybe being some festivals happening this seems less likely. This got me thinking that if there did happen to be a 4 night stint at MSG next year maybe that would be a better experience (more like Philly) or would travelling though Europe be better? I think NY might even be a cheaper option given that I'm going to need 4 or 5 shows to make up for the ones I've missed out on? Any suggestions gratefully appreciated. 
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Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
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Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
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2nd question - what is your 10c number like? there are likely to be a lot of people would go to NY for a 4 night stint and depending on how many seats 10c secure (they managed to get extra in Philly) you could end up quite far from the stage.
I haven't done too much touring around but if budget allows I'd be tempted to do a couple of weeks around Europe with 3 or 4 shows (if as last tour 10c offer standing and GA tickets to the non festival shows you could mix it up) so you get a few days in each location to actually make it a holiday as well. I think lots of dates in a row can get pretty tiring and you end up needing a holiday after your holiday!
If you do Europe look at a map :P as I know on the 07 tour I went to Poland and the band, their equipment and the fans all coming from the previous nights gig in Munich only just made it in time ... without time to set up or sound check properly :shock:
Sure there will be plenty of other opinions coming your way
would love to see PJ at MSG but i've been to a couple of gigs in the states (not PJ) and you sit where your ticket is for so for MSG if you dont have a low number it may not be a great seat plus NYC is probably the most expensive city on the planet
Well i'll give my view on it seeing i saw PJ @ MSG in 2008 on both nights and well i live in europe so i've done quite a few european shows.
Personally i would go for MSG. I say this because all the 4 shows are in the same place, so like you say its going to be a lot cheaper and a lot lot lot less hassle. Also MSG it will be a proper PJ show and in one of the greatest venues in the world. I dont think your 10c number has a factor at all, anywhere inside MSG is just great tbh. 10c number in europe will mean great seats as pretty much every 10c in europe will go for the ga anyway and sometimes we get perks (09 tour was 15 min early entry but doesn't matter anyway as pj 10c fans will be at the front of any queue :P)
Europe is a lot of fiddly travelling and you got to compensate for all the different languages which can be a bit annoying but everything is in english usually having thought about it unless you go somewhere like Hungary (frickin' Nova Rock 07 grr!). Seems to be rumours about possible festivals which just suck big big big time. If you are up for the travelling across borders, exploration and all the fun/complications it can bring then go for europe.
Dont think i've been any help or made much sense but yeah anything you dont get post away.
If you live in Europe, I would say that seeing at least 1 or 2 shows in Europe (avoid the festivals if they aren't your cup of tea) is a must!
That said, as brisk mentioned, seeing 2-4 shows in one city & venue is a great experience and it also allows you to have more of a vacation while you are seeing 3 or 4 shows. The experience in Philly was great this year for me. Being in one city for 6 days - not having to drive 3 hours to another state/city, check in to a new hotel, etc. really makes it more relaxing. Plus, if you are going to go to a city like NYC, which has so much to do and see, you'll want to spend 5 or 6 days there. You can see the many great sights during the day and see 4 PJ shows at night. What more could you ask for?
Personally, I will probably pass on MSG shows only because I was at the '08 shows. But had I not seen the 2 '08 MSG shows, I would hit the next set of MSG shows for sure.
My only question will be whether or not I take a week or so and head to Europe for a couple of shows in 2010, like I did in 2007.
Myself and a few mates from Lossiemouth and Aberdeen have been following PJ on their European Tours to one extent or another since 2000.
On the last occasion (Berlin, Manchester, London) the major problem we had was trying to do Berlin on the cheap. (Flights, Hotels etc). It looked great on paper at the time but we ended up in Berlin staying miles from the venue, miles from the centre of town etc and we were completely knackered at the gig. There's nothing more depressing than watching your favourite band whilst feeling ill from sleep deprivation.The opposite was London where we booked a hotel right next to the 02 for a little bit more, got loads of sleep on the afternoon of the gig and then had a great time at the concert.
I think one of the best things you can do just now is start a wee PJ touring fund every month (On the basis that the Euro Tour in 2010 is at least 6 months away) stick away some cash and choose 3 or 4 gigs that you can travel between with plenty of rest time between gigs. Use the money you've saved to justify the extra expense you might need to spend to get more flexible flights, better placed hotels etc.
Finally, try and work in a show in Italy at some point during the tour. I've been to Verona x 2 and Bologna and the crowds there have been pretty amazing.
-Paul
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
but ..so many fuckin great friends in Europe...so Europe it is too....so both..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
- Multiple shows in the same city gives you much time to relax, sparing you the need to move from one place to the next. Energy WILL be spent at shows, so any recharging you can do will mean you've got more energy during the shows
- That said, have you been to NYC before? The one thing about European tours is that the cities and countries vary quite a bit from one to the next, so if you haven't been before, and are well used to the Anglophone world, I'd say going to places like Italy and Spain will be really enriching for you.
London costs can be cut down by asking yours truly for couch space when you're in town
Always appreciate couch space from a like minded soul thanks
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12