2 for Sunday Night in Boston. I rolled the dice and just refreshed until onsale came on. One browser session and just waited about 9 minutes until the purchase screen appeared. $201 total to see my favorite band other than Pearl Jam in a GA pit in Boston.....2018 has been good to me between this and Ten Club
After about 5 minutes of being in queue & watching that wheel spinning for each Boston show, I gambled & went back to click the link for each night again, and got right to the ticket qty selection option. There was no queue that second time around. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to work that way.
It's 2018, how the hell can they not get it right after all these years? I'm not complaining, I got what I wanted, but if we followed the instructions and remained in queue, we probably would have come up empty handed.
'93 Toronto
'94 Detroit
'10 Columbus
'11 Detroit (Eddie solo), Toronto 1 and 2, Ottawa, Hamilton
'13 London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
'14 Detroit
'16 Ottawa, Toronto 1 and 2, Chicago 1 and 2 '18 Chicago 1 and 2 '22 Hamilton, Toronto
Welp happy I got GA for MSG in 2016 because it’s certianly not happening this time around. I probably missed by mere seconds as I got into the queue very quickly.
Welp happy I got GA for MSG in 2016 because it’s certianly not happening this time around. I probably missed by mere seconds as I got into the queue very quickly.
Hoping to score a single for one of the Boston shows.
I’ve only seen them once, on the Kid A tour. I hope this summer changes that.
Did you see them in Boston on that show? Suffolk Downs? I've seen over 1,000 concerts in my life so far, and that show remains one of the most all-around perfect shows I've ever seen if it was. And that wasn't even my favorite Radiohead album by a long shot. But what a show!
That was the show, the one & only time I saw them, and you're right... it was perfect. So perfect that part of me wants that to be my only live Radiohead experience.
But f that, they're easily in my top ten bands, I'm excited to see them again this summer... not only once, but now in B2B shows, it's only been 18 years, I think I'm due.
You should absolutely see them again. Even though that show was so perfect, it actually wasn't my personal favorite Radiohead show that I saw (which would have been '98 at Merriweather Post). But nothing can undo the perfection you've already experienced, so make sure to go! I'm crushed that I got shut out today but I'll try on Friday and see what happens. Make the most of it, as we all know from Chris Cornell and others, we can never take for granted how much longer we have to see the bands/artists we love.
Buck_____ did you see the post asking you to take the link down from your post here? PM it to anyone you want to share it with, but don't make it so easy for scalpers! Wish it was true that PJ didn't have any scalper fans, but it's just not true unfortunately.
Anyone can read this forum and posts are cached in search engines.
Hoping to score a single for one of the Boston shows.
I’ve only seen them once, on the Kid A tour. I hope this summer changes that.
Did you see them in Boston on that show? Suffolk Downs? I've seen over 1,000 concerts in my life so far, and that show remains one of the most all-around perfect shows I've ever seen if it was. And that wasn't even my favorite Radiohead album by a long shot. But what a show!
That was the show, the one & only time I saw them, and you're right... it was perfect. So perfect that part of me wants that to be my only live Radiohead experience.
But f that, they're easily in my top ten bands, I'm excited to see them again this summer... not only once, but now in B2B shows, it's only been 18 years, I think I'm due.
You should absolutely see them again. Even though that show was so perfect, it actually wasn't my personal favorite Radiohead show that I saw (which would have been '98 at Merriweather Post). But nothing can undo the perfection you've already experienced, so make sure to go! I'm crushed that I got shut out today but I'll try on Friday and see what happens. Make the most of it, as we all know from Chris Cornell and others, we can never take for granted how much longer we have to see the bands/artists we love.
I should have seen them in May of '12, on Memorial Day, but I ended up starting a new job the next day; going to a concert the night before didn't seem like the best idea so I sold my ticket.
& you're damn right about Cornell... I stretched myself thin getting to TOTD in Philly, but I sure as hell have no regrets about that now.
Hoping to score a single for one of the Boston shows.
I’ve only seen them once, on the Kid A tour. I hope this summer changes that.
Did you see them in Boston on that show? Suffolk Downs? I've seen over 1,000 concerts in my life so far, and that show remains one of the most all-around perfect shows I've ever seen if it was. And that wasn't even my favorite Radiohead album by a long shot. But what a show!
That was the show, the one & only time I saw them, and you're right... it was perfect. So perfect that part of me wants that to be my only live Radiohead experience.
But f that, they're easily in my top ten bands, I'm excited to see them again this summer... not only once, but now in B2B shows, it's only been 18 years, I think I'm due.
You should absolutely see them again. Even though that show was so perfect, it actually wasn't my personal favorite Radiohead show that I saw (which would have been '98 at Merriweather Post). But nothing can undo the perfection you've already experienced, so make sure to go! I'm crushed that I got shut out today but I'll try on Friday and see what happens. Make the most of it, as we all know from Chris Cornell and others, we can never take for granted how much longer we have to see the bands/artists we love.
I should have seen them in May of '12, on Memorial Day, but I ended up starting a new job the next day; going to a concert the night before didn't seem like the best idea so I sold my ticket.
& you're damn right about Cornell... I stretched myself thin getting to TOTD in Philly, but I sure as hell have no regrets about that now.
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Buck_____ did you see the post asking you to take the link down from your post here? PM it to anyone you want to share it with, but don't make it so easy for scalpers! Wish it was true that PJ didn't have any scalper fans, but it's just not true unfortunately.
Anyone can read this forum and posts are cached in search engines.
Thanks Sea, so if I understand that correctly, it is indeed a bad idea to post presale codes here that are supposed to be for fans in a fanclub or fans signed up for a special offer, right? Scalpers are resourceful people, and there's no reason for us to make anything easier for them than it already is. This presale is alread over obviously, but please everyone keep that in mind moving forward.
Buck_____ did you see the post asking you to take the link down from your post here? PM it to anyone you want to share it with, but don't make it so easy for scalpers! Wish it was true that PJ didn't have any scalper fans, but it's just not true unfortunately.
Anyone can read this forum and posts are cached in search engines.
Thanks Sea, so if I understand that correctly, it is indeed a bad idea to post presale codes here that are supposed to be for fans in a fanclub or fans signed up for a special offer, right? Scalpers are resourceful people, and there's no reason for us to make anything easier for them than it already is. This presale is alread over obviously, but please everyone keep that in mind moving forward.
Letting scalpers get the code is one thing, but it's also not fair to give the link or code to real fans who were not previously members of the fanclub or who let there membership lapse.
I got really lucky and landed 2 GA tickets to the 7/13 Friday MSG show. Will be my first Radiohead experience...just recently got very into the band about a year ago (typically me to find a new favorite band 25 years into their existence). Extremely excited for July.
2013: Brooklyn II, Hartford 2016: MSG I, MSG II, Fenway I, Fenway II 2018: Fenway I, Fenway II
I got really lucky and landed 2 GA tickets to the 7/13 Friday MSG show. Will be my first Radiohead experience...just recently got very into the band about a year ago (typically me to find a new favorite band 25 years into their existence). Extremely excited for July.
Congrats! I hope I can score decent seats during the regular sale.
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
I do remember "Where I End & You Begin" in the setlists last year that I looked at online, so hopefully you'll get your song. But hey, it's Radiohead, no such thing as a bad setlist really. They're one of the few bands that even when I'm not crazy about a song on record, I usually still love it live.
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Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
For sure- they've released more albums after Kid A than before and including it
Not only were the 2016-2017 tours were great, all of the radiohead.tv broadcasts were amazing quality. I listen to them regularly and the band is at peak form.
Not only were the 2016-2017 tours were great, all of the radiohead.tv broadcasts were amazing quality. I listen to them regularly and the band is at peak form.
Awesome stuff..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015. Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022 EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Not only were the 2016-2017 tours were great, all of the radiohead.tv broadcasts were amazing quality. I listen to them regularly and the band is at peak form.
Shit... I forgot about those, I’ll have to watch some.
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
For sure- they've released more albums after Kid A than before and including it
I’m well versed up until King of Limbs, I believe there’s only Moon Shaped Pool after that?
I love In Rainbows, KOL & Amnesiac, I cant wait to see them again.
Even if I don’t hear the one song I’m dying for, I know I’ll be blown away regardless.
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
For sure- they've released more albums after Kid A than before and including it
I’m well versed up until King of Limbs, I believe there’s only Moon Shaped Pool after that?
I love In Rainbows, KOL & Amnesiac, I cant wait to see them again.
Even if I don’t hear the one song I’m dying for, I know I’ll be blown away regardless.
Yes and Pool is fantastic. Limbs was good but too short especially for the time between albums.
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
For sure- they've released more albums after Kid A than before and including it
I’m well versed up until King of Limbs, I believe there’s only Moon Shaped Pool after that?
I love In Rainbows, KOL & Amnesiac, I cant wait to see them again.
Even if I don’t hear the one song I’m dying for, I know I’ll be blown away regardless.
Yes and Pool is fantastic. Limbs was good but too short especially for the time between albums.
I’ll be picking up MSP soon!
Thanks for the info, I’m psyched to see them again!
Both sound like good decisions to me (not going right before 1st day on new job; doing all you could to go to TOTD). I didn't get to any of the TOTD shows and have never seen Chris Cornell come out with PJ, so I've never heard Hunger Strike live or any other TOTD songs.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
Will do... I honestly just hope I hear “Where I end & you begin” which if I’m not mistaken, they were playing again in the last year or two after many years of leaving it off setlists.
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
For sure- they've released more albums after Kid A than before and including it
I’m well versed up until King of Limbs, I believe there’s only Moon Shaped Pool after that?
I love In Rainbows, KOL & Amnesiac, I cant wait to see them again.
Even if I don’t hear the one song I’m dying for, I know I’ll be blown away regardless.
Yes and Pool is fantastic. Limbs was good but too short especially for the time between albums.
I’ll be picking up MSP soon!
Thanks for the info, I’m psyched to see them again!
Just got 2 in the 300 section, is anyone else getting a delivery ticket delay stating that it will be lifted 24 hours prior to event time?? Man I hate this new way of getting tickets! I want physical tickets!! Going to both Wrigley shows and RH at the UC have paid for all of the shows and feel very insecure about not being able to see any of these tickets!
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Man, must have been a while since I tried to tickets on ticketmaster. Hit 2 tickets, then all the seats showed up on the right side. Totally thrown off. Hesitated and that was it. Hopefully another drop for Boston closer to showtime.
PJ: 2003 Mansfield: July 2 2004 Boston: Sept 28 & 29 2005 Montreal: Sept 15 2006 Boston: May 24 & 25 2008 Hartford: June 27, Mansfield: June 28, 2010 Boston: May 17 2013 Worcester: Oct 15, Hartford: Oct 25, 2016 Hampton: April 18, Raleigh: April 20 (cancelled), Columbia: April 21. Quebec: May 5. Boston (Fenway): August 7
I got a single for both Philly shows. The site logged me out and would not allow me to log back in so I needed to create a new account. Lucky I have 2 email accounts.
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Now it says for all 4 shows "Presale allocation sold out", so I don't think others will be showing up. Really sad!
After about 5 minutes of being in queue & watching that wheel spinning for each Boston show, I gambled & went back to click the link for each night again, and got right to the ticket qty selection option. There was no queue that second time around. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to work that way.
It's 2018, how the hell can they not get it right after all these years? I'm not complaining, I got what I wanted, but if we followed the instructions and remained in queue, we probably would have come up empty handed.
'94 Detroit
'10 Columbus
'11 Detroit (Eddie solo), Toronto 1 and 2, Ottawa, Hamilton
'13 London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
'14 Detroit
'16 Ottawa, Toronto 1 and 2, Chicago 1 and 2
'18 Chicago 1 and 2
'22 Hamilton, Toronto
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
I should have seen them in May of '12, on Memorial Day, but I ended up starting a new job the next day; going to a concert the night before didn't seem like the best idea so I sold my ticket.
& you're damn right about Cornell... I stretched myself thin getting to TOTD in Philly, but I sure as hell have no regrets about that now.
Make sure you report back on your Radiohead show(s) this time around!
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
2016: MSG I, MSG II, Fenway I, Fenway II
2018: Fenway I, Fenway II
Even if I don’t, I haven’t seen them since Kid A, so I’m guaranteed to hear a lot of stuff I’ve never heard before.
Good luck in the public sale, I hope you get what you need!
I do remember "Where I End & You Begin" in the setlists last year that I looked at online, so hopefully you'll get your song. But hey, it's Radiohead, no such thing as a bad setlist really. They're one of the few bands that even when I'm not crazy about a song on record, I usually still love it live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furluVy2xbg
2004 Boston I
2006 Boston I
2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I
2010 Hartford
2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Bonnaroo, Fenway I, Fenway II
2018 Fenway I, Fenway II
2021 Sea.Hear.Now
2022 Camden
2024 MSG I, Fenway I, Fenway II
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Posters for Sale: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/117469/posters-for-sale
T-Shirts for Sale: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/149289/pj-t-shirt-trade-or-sale
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
I love In Rainbows, KOL & Amnesiac, I cant wait to see them again.
Even if I don’t hear the one song I’m dying for, I know I’ll be blown away regardless.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Thanks for the info, I’m psyched to see them again!
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
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ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE 1998
UNITED CENTER CHICAGO1998
THOMPSON-BOLING ARENA KNOXVILLE 1998
ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE 2000
ALLSTATE ARENA ROSEMONT 2000
ALPINE VALLEY MUSIC THEATRE 2003
HERSHEYPARK STADIUM 2003
TOLEDO SPORTS ARENA 2004
AIR CANADA CENTRE TORONTO 2005
UNITED CENTER CHICAGO 2006
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VERIZON CENTER DC 2008
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PJ20 NIGHT 1 Alpine Valley Music Theatre 2011
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1ST MARINER ARENA BALTIMORE 2013
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XCEL ENERGY CENTER ST. PAUL 2014
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CHICAGO 2 Wrigley Field 2016
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CHICAGO 2 Wrigley Field 2018
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ENTERPRISE CENTER SAINT LOUIS 2022
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2004 Boston: Sept 28 & 29
2005 Montreal: Sept 15
2006 Boston: May 24 & 25
2008 Hartford: June 27, Mansfield: June 28,
2010 Boston: May 17
2013 Worcester: Oct 15, Hartford: Oct 25,
2016 Hampton: April 18, Raleigh: April 20 (cancelled), Columbia: April 21. Quebec: May 5. Boston (Fenway): August 7
EV Solo: Boston 8/2/08, Boston 6/16/11