9/11 Suspects to Face Death Penalty in NYC Trial...
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Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be brought to trial in a civilian federal courthouse in New York, near the site of the devastating 2001 terror attacks. Prosecutors expect to seek the death penalty.
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And instead of the Death Penalty... how about a 297,300 year sentence with no parole eligability at Pelican Bay, California in the Neo-Nazi psychos cell block... and rooming with the multiple murderer who partially ate some of his victims?
That would make Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba look like a stint at Club Med.
Hail, Hail!!!
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because our justice system is a piece of shit. I'm all for these animals dying the worst death possible after what they inflicted on the people of this country. but if the jury pusses out and decides to put them in prison... it's going to make me sick knowing that other peoples' money is going towards feeding these animals 3 meals a day and insuring they have some level of comfort in their cell. that is not justice. I believe just about anyone can adapt to any form of living over a certain amount of time. you learn to live without. but if they could simply be thrown into a cement cell with no windows, no light, no food, they could die the slow, painful death they deserve.
You make a prison life sentence seem like some sort of luxury or something.
I don't know... I think prison would be a nightmare. In my opinion.... 3 meals a day does not make the nightly ass raping any more pleasant.
Hail, Hail!!!
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yup.
what a fucking media circus this is going to be.
Don't they often move high profile trials to other cities or states to avoid jury bias, victim exposure, and what essentially becomes a public lynch-mob atmosphere? I'm curious how NY'ers feel about having the trial in their own backyard.
why even have a trial?
Agreed about the tribunal. My fear is that because he was never read his Miranda rights, then he was water boarded, his confession would not be admissible. And that could possibly get him acquitted.
These guys wanted to plead guilty and be executed. I say we skip the trial and give them their wish.
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Look at victims of war crimes, they wait decades, just for an opportunity to 'see justice served' - to have their day in court. For no other reason than to have the world hear their voice and what happen to them. Our military court is closed to the media and public, records become sealed and the families and people are left to wonder the reasoning. It won't make a difference if KSM is found guilty in a military court or if he is hanged. The gesture is empty, because the victims and survivors had no voice.
Just because this act took place in NY, it was an action against America, KSM was a planner, an accessory to the murders of thousands of people and should be accountable to the justice system which affords the citizens of this country to sit on a jury and determine their fate. If not, then turn him over to the Hague.
Of course, this trial may be too much for the citizens of NY to have to relive and it would be very understandable if the State wishes to have it moved. Whether it is held in NY or Montana, lets keep it in our judicial system so that the voices get heard, so that the verdict is the verdict of the people, not the military, not the politicians, not the media, but the PEOPLE.
Let it be the PEOPLE who decides KSM's fate as a criminal, not the military who will make him a martyr.
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so much for due process. yeah lets martyr them and encourage more terrorists, what a brilliant idea....
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Obviously you don't get it... They could all walk on a technicality such as their miranda rights never being read to them. Which would not happen in a M.T. And not to mention this is exactly what he wants. They will use this trial for nothing more than propaganda so that he can become a martyr and that will create more Jihadist. It will also bring the pain back to the families that lost loved ones on 911,but Im sure you and the rest of the lefties on here could care less about how the families feel. You're all more worried about the KSM's feelings or fox news.
obviously YOU do not get it. if they can walk on a technicality, and if that is a well known possibility, then why did those responsible for their arrest and holding them not do things by the book? why were they not read their rights, if it is your contention that they were not read them? why were they not given legal representation? why were they tortured? why did it take 8 years to charge them and bring them to some sort of trial? whatever happened to a speedy trial by jury of your peers? to become a martyr one has to DIE....if we kill them we make them martyrs and inspirational leaders to the next generation of jihadists, if we leave them in jail they do not become martyrs in that sense, they become more like that mumia muhammed guy that was imprisoned under shady circumstances which caused a groundswell in favor of giving him a new trial or outright release. if this case was so open and shut why was it not carried out years ago instead of being drug out and drug out and drug out? if they defendants want to die and be made martyrs why do you want to give them that satisfaction??
i do not know if a trial will bring back the pain that has never really left for these families. i am sure a lot of them would want some sort of closure, and dragging out this process is doing quite the opposite of closure, more like allowing the wounds to fester. by doing this feet dragging it seems to me that YOU and the government are allowing the pain of the families to continue instead of getting these proceedings over and done with. personally i do not care about these defendants. i was not directly affected by 9/11 so i have no stake in what happens. i am however a stickler for the rule of law and the legal process. if the system is broken and these guys walk, you have nobody to blame other than those responsible for carrying out this case. if we fucked it up by not going by the book then that is the lesson these people will learn. you should stop painting liberals as uncaring about these families and people in general. i know for a fact that i have a great deal of empathy for these families. last i checked the right were the ones that are against any form of assistance for less fortunate, thus not caring for people other than themselves. i do not care about KSM's feelings, rather i expect my government to do things by the book. after 8 years they better have done so, if not you can blame the people in charge of this, and only them. i am concerned about fox news because they LIE to their viewers. which i am pretty sure this is where your paranoia of these defendants walking on a technicality is coming from in the first place.
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Damn those on the left for their feelings about bringing the criminals to justice the American way. You all should be more respectful to their feelings...like this guy
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
these guys are going to have people tripping over themselves to defend them. the kind of press and notoriety you'd get from a case like this is a career maker. not to mention the possibility of fat defense checks cut by saudi oil princes on behalf of their distant cousins...
jury selection... that'd be tough anywhere in the country probably. new yorkers are probably better equipped to serve as jurors anywya. as some comedian pointed out, the people most bloodthirsty for war and revenge in the wake of 9/11 are often those that live in places that would never be the target of an attack like this (ie. red state neocon strongholds). new yorkers generally have a solid handle on things at this point.
if they want to defend themselves they can within reason. if they act out of line or prove unfit to mount a legal defense, that right will be taken from them and an attorney will be appointed. so they can't try to turn it into a circus. judges have some discretion.
We'll get to hear the mastermind either tell the real story or just brag about the whole thing. The security will have to be so tight as you can bet some other loser will want to make a name for themselves by causing an uproar at the expense of NYC again. Just have the boat sink on the way from Cuba to FLA and be done with it.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
For example, just for starters what objective proof do we have that the individual who will show up in the courtroom is actually the KSM who planned 911? What do we do if he simply asserts he is not the person the Gov.. claims he is ?
What about chain of evidence ? KSM wasn't captured by civil law enforcement ,but by our military who were fighting a war,not gathering evidence. Did they carefully log every piece of evidence and log every time someone touched it. How will the prosecution refute a claim that evidence was tampered with ?
what about KSM being water-boarded ? In a normal civil trial that would make his confession entirely inadmissible.Even if the jury knows of the confession external to the trial,an honest jury member would have to disregard such information. If the confession is allowed against all precedent,the jury could honestly
disregard it just as they would in any proven instance of police brutality.
A civil defendant has the right to face his accusers. Are we going to force intelligence officers and special agents to reveal their identities in open court ? If we don't,how do we prove that the Gov. witnesses are real people and that they are telling the truth about real people ? The defendant also has the right examine any and all evidence. So why not just let KSM and his defense team examine the the internals of the software and hardware we use to track enemy communications.
These and other factors could all combine create a plausible defense that simply says that all the evidence presented was fabricated by the GOVernment . Such fabrication does occur in much less prominent,so a jury cannot disregard the possibility it could occur in such a high profile case. So how could the Gov. objectively refute such a claim when it employed none of the safeguards used by civil law enforcement ?
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wow.....i did not think he wrote that. i actually googled a few sentences from that post a little while ago and got the same link.
the lesson in this is if you are going to plagiarize a blog, try to save yourself the embarrassment and at least cite the author and say "i agree with what this person says" instead of posting it as if it is your own work. this just proves that people are intelligent enough around here to tell the difference between posters' writing styles....
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