Wilco Is More Relevant Than Pearl Jam

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  • corduroid
    corduroid Posts: 293
    chooch wrote:
    Pj does seem to be on a bit of cruise control musically ...
    Gotta say I agree with this quote.
    macci wrote:
    They don't put out a generic sounding album time after time ...
    and not so much this one.

    But, as chooch said, they're in a different place nowadays. In the moment, I totally agree with the OP musically, but over the span of each career it seems PJ has had more relevance in terms of musical influence and product sales.

    Just my 2 cents.
  • NOCODE#1
    NOCODE#1 Posts: 1,477
    jordan2345 wrote:
    Both bands are great, but Pearl Jam hasn't redefined themselves since No Code. Wilco redefines themselves with EVERY successive album AND their members have more musical and lyrical talent. Sure, PJ has a larger fan base, but so does American Idol.
    um yea wilco's last 2 albums are absolute shit

    can we all piss in the dead trolls mouth?
    Let's not be negative now. Thumper has spoken
  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    um yea wilco's last 2 albums are absolute shit

    can we all piss in the dead trolls mouth?

    Stop been a dickhead and go out and get laid.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    first, you really cant compare PJ and wilco
    PJ is a hard rock band-and the best hard rock band since led zeppelin
    Wilco is not-but they are making some of the most beautiful music in america right now-and the live shows are incredible. Like Vedder, Tweedy really cares about the fans, the quality of the music and the shows.

    Wilco is one of the best American bands out there right now with three of the best musicians on the planet kline (who gives McCready a run for the money and who plays on the million dollar bashers with EV), kotchke and tweedy

    if you are not listening to wilco, you are simply missing out-its your loss

    Even better live, kinda like PJ.
  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    I agree with this thread.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Wilco's good ... but I don't think the original poster knows the meaning of the word "relevant."

    To be "relevant," people have to have heard of you.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • inmyrvm
    inmyrvm Posts: 1,039
    NOCODE#1 wrote:
    um yea wilco's last 2 albums are absolute shit

    can we all piss in the dead trolls mouth?
    sky blue sky will probably go down in my book as the best album of the decade in my book. in all honesty, they put on a better live show now too. nels blows mikey away anymore (he has gotten lazy with his solos, none of this they are different types of guitarists either, they aren't). i've seen/heard wilco on tv more than pearl jam lately too, making them more relevant.
    "Fuck the talkin' let's start rockin" - Eddie Vedder 9-5-00 Pittsburgh
    4/26/03 Pittsburgh 5/3/03 State College 7/12/03 Hershey 10/1/04 Reading 9/28/05 Pittsburgh 5/20/06 Cleveland 6/23/06 Pittsburgh 6/22/08 DC

    friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
  • walkunafraid
    walkunafraid Posts: 2,655
    I love Wilco.

    I love Pearl Jam.

    I don't need to compare them or put one up against the other, because they both are amazing bands.

    So let me play my Wilco AND my Pearl Jam and stop putting these thoughts of one vs. another in my head.

    Thank you.
    Everything has chains...Absolutely nothing's changed. - PJ

    “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” - Albert Camus
  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Wilco's good ... but I don't think the original poster knows the meaning of the word "relevant."

    To be "relevant," people have to have heard of you.


    That doesn't make sense.



    Wilco are very popular.
  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    Also, this might piss people off but...



    Nels Cline is a far better guitarist that Mike McCready.


    FACT.
  • OmahaJammer
    OmahaJammer Posts: 261
    jordan2345 wrote:
    Both bands are great, but Pearl Jam hasn't redefined themselves since No Code. Wilco redefines themselves with EVERY successive album AND their members have more musical and lyrical talent. Sure, PJ has a larger fan base, but so does American Idol.



    Wilco is absolutely more relevant than Pearl Jam. But, it doesn't really matter, and I'm not sure why you're trying to get people all riled up....especially when a LARGE portion of Pearl Jam fans still don't listen to anything other than Alice in Chains, PJ, and Stone Temple Pilots. Now it sounds like I'M the one trying to rile people up, but I'm not. Stack PJ's last three records up against Wilco's....and the results are embarrassingly in Wilco's favor. I think even Pearl Jam themselves would agree....but it is comparing two very different things, I guess.
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  • rhinomagic
    rhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,553
    This thread had some potential for great discussion and comparison/contrast if it hadn't begun with such an inflammatory statement.

    Sorry to see all the Wilco haters. They really are an enjoyable group of musicians and (in my opinion) a more accessible band these days than PJ tends to be. I agree with intodeep about finding a lot of crossover in the two fanbases. Seems every Wilco show I've been to in the past three years, I find several people to talk to PJ about.

    I don't know whether relevancy can actually be gauged, but I'd say both bands put on quite spectacular live shows (though Wilco tends to tour with more frequency and variation in locales).

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  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    OmahaJammer wrote:
    Wilco is absolutely more relevant than Pearl Jam. But, it doesn't really matter, and I'm not sure why you're trying to get people all riled up....especially when a LARGE portion of Pearl Jam fans still don't listen to anything other than Alice in Chains, PJ, and Stone Temple Pilots. Now it sounds like I'M the one trying to rile people up, but I'm not. Stack PJ's last three records up against Wilco's....and the results are embarrassingly in Wilco's favor. I think even Pearl Jam themselves would agree....but it is comparing two very different things, I guess.


    Well said. And the part about many PJ fans only listening to AIC, Soundgarden, and STP is so fucking true.
  • inmyrvm
    inmyrvm Posts: 1,039
    OmahaJammer wrote:
    Stack PJ's last three records up against Wilco's....and the results are embarrassingly in Wilco's favor. I think even Pearl Jam themselves would agree....but it is comparing two very different things, I guess.
    good synopsis. daytime hit the nail on the head though
    "Fuck the talkin' let's start rockin" - Eddie Vedder 9-5-00 Pittsburgh
    4/26/03 Pittsburgh 5/3/03 State College 7/12/03 Hershey 10/1/04 Reading 9/28/05 Pittsburgh 5/20/06 Cleveland 6/23/06 Pittsburgh 6/22/08 DC

    friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    That doesn't make sense.



    Wilco are very popular.

    No, Wilco are sorta popular in a cool, hip indie sort of way. Would they sell out MSG two nights in a row? I'm not sure, but I don't think so.

    Ask 100 people at random on the street to name one Wilco song, and I'll bet 90 percent of the people can't.

    Ask 100 people at random to name one PJ song, and I'll bet at least 90 percent can come up with Betterman.

    Just because you like or I like someone doesn't make them "very popular." Well-liked in your own personal musical circles does not equal "very popular" or mainstream.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    jordan2345 wrote:
    Both bands are great, but Pearl Jam hasn't redefined themselves since No Code. Wilco redefines themselves with EVERY successive album AND their members have more musical and lyrical talent. Sure, PJ has a larger fan base, but so does American Idol.


    maybe to you
  • OmahaJammer
    OmahaJammer Posts: 261
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    Also, this might piss people off but...



    Nels Cline is a far better guitarist that Mike McCready.


    FACT.

    No doubt about it. I LOVE that Mike McCready is in this band....but there are literally thousands of things Nels Cline can do on a guitar that Mike can't possibly do....whereas Nels could do everything Mike does....and better...EXCEPT perhaps smashing a guitar...but again....it doesn't really matter....they're in two completely different bands.
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  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    slightofjeff wrote:
    No, Wilco are sorta popular in a cool, hip indie sort of way. Would they sell out MSG two nights in a row? I'm not sure, but I don't think so.

    Ask 100 people at random on the street to name one Wilco song, and I'll bet 90 percent of the people can't.

    Ask 100 people at random to name one PJ song, and I'll bet at least 90 percent can come up with Betterman.

    Just because you like or I like someone doesn't make them "very popular." Well-liked in your own personal musical circles does not equal "very popular" or mainstream.



    Relevancy doesn't have anything to do with popularity.


    But if I had to choose between PJ MSG or Wilco in a 1200 person venue on the same night, Wilco wins every single time.
  • inmyrvm
    inmyrvm Posts: 1,039
    OmahaJammer wrote:
    No doubt about it. I LOVE that Mike McCready is in this band....but there are literally thousands of things Nels Cline can do on a guitar that Mike can't possibly do....whereas Nels could do everything Mike does....and better...EXCEPT perhaps smashing a guitar...but again....it doesn't really matter....they're in two completely different bands.
    mike can do it, he just chooses not to. he repeats himself anymore, he's gotten lazy. keep in mind mike is the reason i started playing. as for wilco and msg, I think they could sell out MSG rather easily. you would be surprised.
    "Fuck the talkin' let's start rockin" - Eddie Vedder 9-5-00 Pittsburgh
    4/26/03 Pittsburgh 5/3/03 State College 7/12/03 Hershey 10/1/04 Reading 9/28/05 Pittsburgh 5/20/06 Cleveland 6/23/06 Pittsburgh 6/22/08 DC

    friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
  • Detroit2NYC
    Detroit2NYC New York, NY Posts: 337
    Ugh! Wilco is just one of those bands that I CANNOT get into! I'm not being an ignorant Pearl Jam elitist either. I listen to a sh!t ton of other bands, and see way more non-pearl jam shows than Pearl Jam shows on average, but Wilco just leaves me with an elevator music feel.

    I have tried too. I was there for their set at Lollapalooza 2006, and yes they did have a huge sound problem, but still. It was awful.

    I even went to see Nels Cline in a solo project in NYC. That wasn't soo terrible but it did not move me.

    What it boils down to is this: Wilco has NEVER blown my skirt up! But Pearl Jam? Does it EVER SINGLE F'n TIME! :D

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