SWINDLE FLU: Doctors laugh at consumers wanting shots

TravisTheSky

The pharmaceutical companies are making 200 million doses of swine flu vaccine for 300 million Americans [citation needed.] They are going to sell it to us by any means necessary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImeSieEZDdU

Fast forward the video to 5:30. Listen as doctors "LOL" about stupid consumers when they discuss having the media invent demand for the vaccine by pretending it is scarce.

youngster

That is exactly the reason I am not getting one. I smelled a rat when the media started pushing the shortage. It was on the front page of the Boston Herald for 3 out of 5 days in a week. I am not too concerned about it. I think the swine flu is about as dangerous as a regular flu. Hey, people die from the regular flu as well. So it seems suspicious that they are trying to tell us to vaccinate or you will die. Like the guy said, someone is making $$ off of this. Notice they spend more time on the news talking about someone who dies from H1N1 than they do a soldier dying in battle. Priorities. Also, I read that the pork lobbyists were in Washington last spring telling ploiticians not to use the word "Swine Flu" as it might alter sales of pork in this country. That is why you hear it called H1N1 by all media outlets and politicians. They can be bought off to say anything, including get to your doctor, NOW and get vaccinated.

peacegirl

cropduster82 wrote:

I think the swine flu is about as dangerous as a regular flu. Hey, people die from the regular flu as well. So it seems suspicious that they are trying to tell us to vaccinate or you will die.

These are my thoughts exactly. When I mentioned to people at work "hey, thousands die from the regular flu each year" the response I got was "oh yeah, I never thought about that". I swear I work with drones!

polaris_x

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

Yes, but some people are at a higher risk. No reason to panic, but if you are in the high risk area, I'd strongly consider it.

cincybearcat

peacegirl wrote:

cropduster82 wrote:

I think the swine flu is about as dangerous as a regular flu. Hey, people die from the regular flu as well. So it seems suspicious that they are trying to tell us to vaccinate or you will die.

These are my thoughts exactly. When I mentioned to people at work "hey, thousands die from the regular flu each year" the response I got was "oh yeah, I never thought about that". I swear I work with drones!

I wonder how many of those that die form the "regular" flu each year decided to skip the vaccination.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Yes, but some people are at a higher risk. No reason to panic, but if you are in the high risk area, I'd strongly consider it.

yes ... i think the issue tho is those same people are also high risk for any other flu ... this flu is no different ...

he still stands

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Yes, but some people are at a higher risk. No reason to panic, but if you are in the high risk area, I'd strongly consider it.

yes ... i think the issue tho is those same people are also high risk for any other flu ... this flu is no different ...

actually I've heard it isn't as bad as the seasonal flu. My wife didn't think it was as bad anyway... she didn't have nausea and didn't throw up once.

My 4 month old had it for christ's sake, and he was over it in 2 days. We couldn't have got him vaccinated anyway cause he is too young.

I keep my immune system on its toes with all sorts of substances so I didn't get it.

polaris_x

he still stands wrote:

actually I've heard it isn't as bad as the seasonal flu. My wife didn't think it was as bad anyway... she didn't have nausea and didn't throw up once.

My 4 month old had it for christ's sake, and he was over it in 2 days. We couldn't have got him vaccinated anyway cause he is too young.

I keep my immune system on its toes with all sorts of substances so I didn't get it.

haha ... my personal theory that the "5 second rule" has kept me as healthy as i've been over the years ...

know1

polaris_x wrote:

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

Heck - I don't even know anyone who's had it.

It's all a scam. I like the term Swindle Flu...

Cosmo

Well... I'm getting the vaccination... probably in January, when my employer expects to get enough. Here is my reasoning:
...
I know the N1H1 virus exists. I know that most people who get it will get typical flu symptoms... maybe harsher. 1 in thousands will be critically affected by the virus and one in tens of thousands will die from it.
That is my reasoning. If by my selfish act.. I choose to avoid the vaccination and contact the virus... thinking it is just the seasonal flu or something... and pass it on to someone... who passes it on to someone... who passes it on to someone's kid... who passes it on to someone who ends up in the hospital or the morgue. I would feel like a complete asshole.
So... I'm not going to be a carrier of the bug... or a conduit of its distribution.
...
I don't have much trust in governement... but, i ain't fucking paranoid, either.

polaris_x

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I'm getting the vaccination... probably in January, when my employer expects to get enough. Here is my reasoning:
...
I know the N1H1 virus exists. I know that most people who get it will get typical flu symptoms... maybe harsher. 1 in thousands will be critically affected by the virus and one in tens of thousands will die from it.
That is my reasoning. If by my selfish act.. I choose to avoid the vaccination and contact the virus... thinking it is just the seasonal flu or something... and pass it on to someone... who passes it on to someone... who passes it on to someone's kid... who passes it on to someone who ends up in the hospital or the morgue. I would feel like a complete asshole.
So... I'm not going to be a carrier of the bug... or a conduit of its distribution.
...
I don't have much trust in governement... but, i ain't fucking paranoid, either.

dude ... to each their own for sure ...

by january tho - the "pandemic" would have passed ... any flu related to to H1N1 will have mutated for sure by then making the vaccine absolutely useless ...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I'm getting the vaccination... probably in January, when my employer expects to get enough. Here is my reasoning:
...
I know the N1H1 virus exists. I know that most people who get it will get typical flu symptoms... maybe harsher. 1 in thousands will be critically affected by the virus and one in tens of thousands will die from it.
That is my reasoning. If by my selfish act.. I choose to avoid the vaccination and contact the virus... thinking it is just the seasonal flu or something... and pass it on to someone... who passes it on to someone... who passes it on to someone's kid... who passes it on to someone who ends up in the hospital or the morgue. I would feel like a complete asshole.
So... I'm not going to be a carrier of the bug... or a conduit of its distribution.
...
I don't have much trust in governement... but, i ain't fucking paranoid, either.

i'm not getting into the CFR bullshit, but this is obviously a way for pharmaceuticals to make more money. your reasoning for getting one is a little more crazy though. you would feel guilty for passing on diseases now? god, i've probably killed no telling how many people by now. heh.

we're all probably killing more people in the future by NOT passing on weaker diseases like this and not developing immunities. maybe that fact will soothe your conscience a little.

if you just dont want the flu and want a vaccine thats fine i guess...

_

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I'm getting the vaccination... probably in January, when my employer expects to get enough. Here is my reasoning:
...
I know the N1H1 virus exists. I know that most people who get it will get typical flu symptoms... maybe harsher. 1 in thousands will be critically affected by the virus and one in tens of thousands will die from it.
That is my reasoning. If by my selfish act.. I choose to avoid the vaccination and contact the virus... thinking it is just the seasonal flu or something... and pass it on to someone... who passes it on to someone... who passes it on to someone's kid... who passes it on to someone who ends up in the hospital or the morgue. I would feel like a complete asshole.
So... I'm not going to be a carrier of the bug... or a conduit of its distribution.
...
I don't have much trust in governement... but, i ain't fucking paranoid, either.

+1

_

he still stands wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Yes, but some people are at a higher risk. No reason to panic, but if you are in the high risk area, I'd strongly consider it.

yes ... i think the issue tho is those same people are also high risk for any other flu ... this flu is no different ...

actually I've heard it isn't as bad as the seasonal flu. My wife didn't think it was as bad anyway... she didn't have nausea and didn't throw up once.

My 4 month old had it for christ's sake, and he was over it in 2 days. We couldn't have got him vaccinated anyway cause he is too young.

I keep my immune system on its toes with all sorts of substances so I didn't get it.

I think what makes this flu different from the seasonal flu is who's getting sick less than how the sick people feel. H1N1 is affecting a different population of people because those who aren't old don't have the same immunity to it as they have to the seasonal flu.

_

cincybearcat wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

Yes, but some people are at a higher risk. No reason to panic, but if you are in the high risk area, I'd strongly consider it.

True. And I think it's noteworthy that pregnancy and obesity are considered underlying conditions that put people at higher risk.

Cosmo

polaris_x wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I'm getting the vaccination... probably in January, when my employer expects to get enough. Here is my reasoning:
...
I know the N1H1 virus exists. I know that most people who get it will get typical flu symptoms... maybe harsher. 1 in thousands will be critically affected by the virus and one in tens of thousands will die from it.
That is my reasoning. If by my selfish act.. I choose to avoid the vaccination and contact the virus... thinking it is just the seasonal flu or something... and pass it on to someone... who passes it on to someone... who passes it on to someone's kid... who passes it on to someone who ends up in the hospital or the morgue. I would feel like a complete asshole.
So... I'm not going to be a carrier of the bug... or a conduit of its distribution.
...
I don't have much trust in governement... but, i ain't fucking paranoid, either.

dude ... to each their own for sure ...

by january tho - the "pandemic" would have passed ... any flu related to to H1N1 will have mutated for sure by then making the vaccine absolutely useless ...

...
Look... I'm not saying anyone should feel as I do. That anyone should get the shot, just because i am. I'm just telling you guys why I feel "I" should get the shot. and the reasoning I employed to get there.
As for the January date... that is the date given to my employer. i don't know enough about viruses... mutating... and all of that. All i know is that this particular virus is deadly to some people. I will do what is within my power to help them avoid getting it from me.
That's all.

Smellyman

I have never had a flu shot and can't remember the last time I had the flu.

I'll pass

MrMerkinball

There is just way to much information out there to actually make an informed choice.

No doubt that a lot of people are profiting from it. You should see the contingency plan my work has rolled out. Under direction from our corporate office, The Purchase Order I just signed in order to get the medical supplies we need to keep our business running was astronomical. There are a lot of beneficiaries for sure

My wife is a nurse and she was forced to take the shot if she wanted to work. Part of the Government's contingency plan that all medical personel and essential service are all imunized.

All the doctor's are saying they don't know how well it works, but statistically, it's the best option to keep yourself healthy.

polaris_x

Cosmo wrote:

Look... I'm not saying anyone should feel as I do. That anyone should get the shot, just because i am. I'm just telling you guys why I feel "I" should get the shot. and the reasoning I employed to get there.
As for the January date... that is the date given to my employer. i don't know enough about viruses... mutating... and all of that. All i know is that this particular virus is deadly to some people. I will do what is within my power to help them avoid getting it from me.
That's all.

yeah ... it's all good - i don't want to come across like you are making a bad decision ... was just saying that many (not all) experts believed we've reached the peak already and it's only november ... of course there are always second and third waves of the virus so - it may help you if another outbreak hits in the spring ...

nuffingman

2 of my daughters were diagnosed with Swine Flu over the phone .... WTF? I picked up all the medication and both girls had swab tests as well. The results = negative.

There must be thousands in the UK that had Tamiflu without having anything worse than a bad cold.

polaris_x

nuffingman wrote:

2 of my daughters were diagnosed with Swine Flu over the phone .... WTF? I picked up all the medication and both girls had swab tests as well. The results = negative.

There must be thousands in the UK that had Tamiflu without having anything worse than a bad cold.

rumsfield is making a killing!

Drowned Out

polaris_x wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

2 of my daughters were diagnosed with Swine Flu over the phone .... WTF? I picked up all the medication and both girls had swab tests as well. The results = negative.

There must be thousands in the UK that had Tamiflu without having anything worse than a bad cold.

rumsfield is making a killing!

Don't forget George Shultz - he's actually on the board (Gilead).
Speaking of which...while deciding whether or not to get vaccinations for myself and my kids, I decided to look into WHO was profitting the most from this massive fear campaign....checked out Glaxxo's Board of Directors (the main manufacturer of the vaccine).....guess who is on their board?
Rupert Murdoch's son.
gee, what a coincidence :roll:

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

hand sanitizers, anti-bacterial soaps, its all bologna.

STONEd and dAMENT-ED

Anyone on here a doctor?

polaris_x

what kills me about this whole thing is ... if this vaccine is sooo critical - why have they not been made available to EVERYONE? ... seriously, by the time the vaccine is available to everyone - the pandemic will be way past peaked ... my co-worker has it and some other people i know have had it come and go ...

norm

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-n ... le-me-elmo

Lauri

polaris_x wrote:

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

Oh yeah, I know tons of people who have had it. My only issue with this whole thing is that I would have liked to get the shot just like I would have gotten a regular flu shot (which people have said isn't even really going around this year because swine flu has over taken it). I just don't want to get the flu! I have friends who are doctors and nurses and they see tons of people with H1N1, but going to the doctor or ER just to get tested for it causes so much more harm than good! They can't do anything about it, and unless you have an underlying condition, you'll be out of school or work for a week and that's that. Since I haven't gotten a flu shot for the first time in years, I'm just carrying around Purell and washing my hands constantly. I'm also trying to avoid kids. I know that sounds terrible, but they seem to be the little carriers...

lukin2006

cropduster82 wrote:

That is exactly the reason I am not getting one. I smelled a rat when the media started pushing the shortage. It was on the front page of the Boston Herald for 3 out of 5 days in a week. I am not too concerned about it. I think the swine flu is about as dangerous as a regular flu. Hey, people die from the regular flu as well. So it seems suspicious that they are trying to tell us to vaccinate or you will die. Like the guy said, someone is making $$ off of this. Notice they spend more time on the news talking about someone who dies from H1N1 than they do a soldier dying in battle. Priorities. Also, I read that the pork lobbyists were in Washington last spring telling ploiticians not to use the word "Swine Flu" as it might alter sales of pork in this country. That is why you hear it called H1N1 by all media outlets and politicians. They can be bought off to say anything, including get to your doctor, NOW and get vaccinated.

Here in Canada we have already spent 1.5 billion vaccinating the high priority people, it is expected to go well over 2 billion (flu shot here is free). I work for a school board and they have taken custodians off their regular jobs to go around and wipe all door knobs, sink fixtures and other surfaces touched regularly twice a day, what a waste of time and money. I would be interested to know how much this will cost the government and business's at the end of the day.

lukin2006

know1 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

the thing is ... everyone here probably already knows someone who's had it and is over it ...

Heck - I don't even know anyone who's had it.

It's all a scam. I like the term Swindle Flu...

Same here. I know no one who had it.

OnTheEdge

nuffingman wrote:

2 of my daughters were diagnosed with Swine Flu over the phone .... WTF? I picked up all the medication and both girls had swab tests as well. The results = negative.

There must be thousands in the UK that had Tamiflu without having anything worse than a bad cold.

This is interesting, i've heard stories of doctors reporting a case was swine when actually it wasn't. I don't think the numbers we are hearing are very acurate.