this guy killed many people. he hunted them. he deserves to die. im really happy the justice system is moving so fast with him. its the fastest execution iv ever seen. i guess scott peterson will be on deathrow for 20-25 years before he is put to death. sorry but i could not forgive someone for killing a loved one. i would try my hardest to kill them myself...
the death penalty does nothing to deter violent acts - all it does is satisfy a thirst for retribution ... in this particular case - a veteran served his country and came back gravely ill from the stresses of war (and possibly being exposed to DU shells) - the country he served turne their backs on him and the resulting consequence proved fatal for many ...
the reality is the best thing to do for those who died is to make sure veterans suffering from service related illnesses are treated ... for those who are related to those that die - i suppose his death may make them feel better but ultimately, it's a farce because all this is supposed to do is make people forget the fact that his country made him sick and then left him to rot ...
I'm glad he's gone. I know the death penalty doesn't serve as a deterrent, but in this case there was no reason keeping him alive.
Personally I have no problem with the death penalty, but see why other people see it differently.
I used to be indifferent to it until my best friend's brother was murdered in his sleep by one of his friends. He was shut in the back with a cross bow and hacked to death with a machete and then thrown in a garbage bag in the back of his own car before police found the body.
Seeing my friend around the holidays, his brother's bday, freaking out during things that are normal for us (i.e. having to walk out and get some air when Pearl Jam sang Blood 6 months after the murder) makes me think of how hard it must be to go through life knowing that your brother is gone and that the person who killed him is going to be living for the next 40 or so years at least.
I don't have a problem "putting him to sleep", which is the same thing we do to cats and dogs.
Don't we usually put animals to sleep to put them out of their misery or end their suffering. If a prison cell is the misery wouldn't the death penalty be relief from that. And why would you want to give a murderer relief from that?
I don't have a problem "putting him to sleep", which is the same thing we do to cats and dogs.
Don't we usually put animals to sleep to put them out of their misery or end their suffering. If a prison cell is the misery wouldn't the death penalty be relief from that. And why would you want to give a murderer relief from that?
Because the prisons are overpopulated as it is.
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Not believing in the death penalty is all well and good till your family, or someone you know is the victim of one of these animals. Hypothetical rhetoric is very convienient, but what happens when it's not a movie with Sean Penn and it's an actual situation in your life. Obviously, the evidence has to be overwhelming and/or eyewitnesses (smoking gun), but the death penalty is fine with me.
its not about not believing in the death penalty as if theres a question of its existence. were not talking about fairies at the bottom of the garden here. tis about taking another persons life or supporting the taking of that life. no i dont condone the actions of murderers, but where does it stop?? my morality tells me the taking of the life of a person is wrong. and that includes state sanctioned murder. are there mitigating circumstances?? sure there are... self defence. but then again in the legal sense thats not murder now is it??
knowing myself as i do, i can tell you that the death of a family member or a friend at the hands of another would not change my stance. killing a person is wrong. killing another to avenge that death(cause thats what were talking about here) is also wrong.
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It's called Capital Punishment, not Capital Deterrent. I don't really care if it deters the next moron, I want to punish the current one for THEIR inhumane, sick, and barbaric act. What did the VICTIMS do to deserve what they got? BTW, it will deter at least one future offender for sure
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I do think we have to many people on Death Row. I think its a joke that there are more Native Americans put to death each year then Caucasions. ( This is what I was told by a College Prof from Berkeley so take it for what its worth.)
HOWEVER...If you freely admit to killing 17 innocent people for sport, then see you in hell. I'm sorry if that makes me barbaric but its how I feel.
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Not believing in the death penalty is all well and good till your family, or someone you know is the victim of one of these animals. Hypothetical rhetoric is very convienient, but what happens when it's not a movie with Sean Penn and it's an actual situation in your life.
what happens is, i'd still feel the same. nothing would change my mind.
Not believing in the death penalty is all well and good till your family, or someone you know is the victim of one of these animals. Hypothetical rhetoric is very convienient, but what happens when it's not a movie with Sean Penn and it's an actual situation in your life. Obviously, the evidence has to be overwhelming and/or eyewitnesses (smoking gun), but the death penalty is fine with me.
Even if someone killed a member of my family I wouldn't want them to be murdered by the state. I'd oppose it. I'd prefer for that person to live with the crime. Murdering someone is not the answer to anything.
It's called Capital Punishment, not Capital Deterrent. I don't really care if it deters the next moron, I want to punish the current one for THEIR inhumane, sick, and barbaric act. What did the VICTIMS do to deserve what they got? BTW, it will deter at least one future offender for sure
Then after you've punished that person with a sick, barbaric act of murder, why shouldn't someone then snuff your life out as punishment for your sick, barbaric act of murder?
Even if someone killed a member of my family I wouldn't want them to be murdered by the state. I'd oppose it. I'd prefer for that person to live with the crime. Murdering someone is not the answer to anything.
I want to say that I agree with this stance ... For now, I do. But I am honestly not sure I'd feel the same way if this guy had killed someone I love. Perhaps this is a function of what I do for a living, but I'd probably find it easier to understand what this guy did if it could be proven that he was indeed mentally ill. I'd have a harder time accepting things if he was just murderous or bigoted or trying to trying to get his rocks off by killing total strangers.
Even if someone killed a member of my family I wouldn't want them to be murdered by the state. I'd oppose it. I'd prefer for that person to live with the crime. Murdering someone is not the answer to anything.
I want to say that I agree with this stance ... For now, I do. But I am honestly not sure I'd feel the same way if this guy had killed someone I love....
then answer me this... what if someone you loved murdered someone?? what would your stand me then?
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then answer me this... what if someone you loved murdered someone?? what would your stand me then?
Hmmm ... It might depend on the circumstances of the murder. If you mean "what if a family member of mine went on a random killing spree", I'd probably find it easier to retain my anti-capital punishment stance, while at the same time having to come to terms with the fact that this was not the person I thought I knew.
then answer me this... what if someone you loved murdered someone?? what would your stand me then?
Hmmm ... It might depend on the circumstances of the murder. If you mean "what if a family member of mine went on a random killing spree", I'd probably find it easier to retain my anti-capital punishment stance, while at the same time having to come to terms with the fact that this was not the person I thought I knew.
so youd find it easier if they went on a spree rather than just slit the throat of some sleeping person oblivious to the presence of a murderer?? hmmm
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so youd find it easier if they went on a spree rather than just slit the throat of some sleeping person oblivious to the presence of a murderer?? hmmm
No, I'd find it pretty bad either way. The spree was just the specific example I used to differentiate between straight-up murder vs. killing in self-defense or other such behaviors.
so youd find it easier if they went on a spree rather than just slit the throat of some sleeping person oblivious to the presence of a murderer?? hmmm
No, I'd find it pretty bad either way. The spree was just the specific example I used to differentiate between straight-up murder vs. killing in self-defense or other such behaviors.
do you agree that killing in self defense isnt murder and therefore should not be handled as such??
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My mom is staunchly against the Death Penalty so I know where that position comes from with equal value for human life and therefore calling equating the act of capital punishment equal to Murder.
I think that we as free thinking humans can pass judgment with the severity of the action. A death of a lover caught in bed with another person is not the same as killing 17 people for fun. Once a murder leaves the realm of being in the moment and becomes a planned assault then the death penalty is up for debate.
Someone mentioned we put down dogs and cats for humane purposes only...well we put them down if they are rabid too.
Also the extreme violent criminals are the ones who end up figuring out a way to kill again in jail even in solitary. Sometimes a human just doesn't have a soul and its a very scary and dangerous thing.
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My mom is staunchly against the Death Penalty so I know where that position comes from with equal value for human life and therefore calling equating the act of capital punishment equal to Murder.
I think that we as free thinking humans can pass judgment with the severity of the action. A death of a lover caught in bed with another person is not the same as killing 17 people for fun. Once a murder leaves the realm of being in the moment and becomes a planned assault then the death penalty is up for debate.
Someone mentioned we put down dogs and cats for humane purposes only...well we put them down if they are rabid too.
Also the extreme violent criminals are the ones who end up figuring out a way to kill again in jail even in solitary. Sometimes a human just doesn't have a soul and its a very scary and dangerous thing.
i think as deep thinking humans we should come up with something better than killing our own. justifying murder is just not something i can condone. i can seek to understand trhe mindset of a killer(and quite often do)... but when the state kills its own citizens thats where i have the problem... theres no reasoning imo. cause he/she deserves to die isnt a reason for me. and says more about the society than the person being executed.
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My mom is staunchly against the Death Penalty so I know where that position comes from with equal value for human life and therefore calling equating the act of capital punishment equal to Murder.
I think that we as free thinking humans can pass judgment with the severity of the action. A death of a lover caught in bed with another person is not the same as killing 17 people for fun. Once a murder leaves the realm of being in the moment and becomes a planned assault then the death penalty is up for debate.
Someone mentioned we put down dogs and cats for humane purposes only...well we put them down if they are rabid too.
Also the extreme violent criminals are the ones who end up figuring out a way to kill again in jail even in solitary. Sometimes a human just doesn't have a soul and its a very scary and dangerous thing.
i think as deep thinking humans we should come up with something better than killing our own. justifying murder is just not something i can condone. i can seek to understand trhe mindset of a killer(and quite often do)... but when the state kills its own citizens thats where i have the problem... theres no reasoning imo. cause he/she deserves to die isnt a reason for me. and says more about the society than the person being executed.
very true.
the idea the state has the power to murder its own citizens not only says a lot about how it operates....but says a lot about how much the citizenry is willing to put up with.
i dont have a moral problem with killing a cold blooded murderer.
but the problem is the court system is such joke and the process of execution so ridiculous that the death penalty should probably be done away with. the fact is innocent people are being executed. i dont have enough faith that the problem can be corrected.
i dont have a moral problem with killing a cold blooded murderer.
but the problem is the court system is such joke and the process of execution so ridiculous that the death penalty should probably be done away with. the fact is innocent people are being executed. i dont have enough faith that the problem can be corrected.
That's part of the reason I am against it. I mean killing someone for a crime is one thing, but on top of that you leave that decision up to 12 morons stuck on a jury? That doesn't really seem like that great an idea to me.
Plus with the death penalty a murderer dies in prison, with life in prison a murderer dies in prison and on top of that spends the rest of his life time being punished as well. Can anyone explain how the first option is the worse form of punishment?
i dont have a moral problem with killing a cold blooded murderer.
but the problem is the court system is such joke and the process of execution so ridiculous that the death penalty should probably be done away with. the fact is innocent people are being executed. i dont have enough faith that the problem can be corrected.
That's part of the reason I am against it. I mean killing someone for a crime is one thing, but on top of that you leave that decision up to 12 morons stuck on a jury? That doesn't really seem like that great an idea to me.
Plus with the death penalty a murderer dies in prison, with life in prison a murderer dies in prison and on top of that spends the rest of his life time being punished as well. Can anyone explain how the first option is the worse form of punishment?
people seem to have this somewhat skewed notion of what prison life is like; they think prisoners get to sit around and watch Oprah all day on big screen tv's and eat lobster for dinner. if any of these people have ever visited any prison, they'd know it ain't no picnic, and being in jail IS punishment.
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the death penalty does nothing to deter violent acts - all it does is satisfy a thirst for retribution ... in this particular case - a veteran served his country and came back gravely ill from the stresses of war (and possibly being exposed to DU shells) - the country he served turne their backs on him and the resulting consequence proved fatal for many ...
the reality is the best thing to do for those who died is to make sure veterans suffering from service related illnesses are treated ... for those who are related to those that die - i suppose his death may make them feel better but ultimately, it's a farce because all this is supposed to do is make people forget the fact that his country made him sick and then left him to rot ...
Personally I have no problem with the death penalty, but see why other people see it differently.
I used to be indifferent to it until my best friend's brother was murdered in his sleep by one of his friends. He was shut in the back with a cross bow and hacked to death with a machete and then thrown in a garbage bag in the back of his own car before police found the body.
Seeing my friend around the holidays, his brother's bday, freaking out during things that are normal for us (i.e. having to walk out and get some air when Pearl Jam sang Blood 6 months after the murder) makes me think of how hard it must be to go through life knowing that your brother is gone and that the person who killed him is going to be living for the next 40 or so years at least.
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Don't we usually put animals to sleep to put them out of their misery or end their suffering. If a prison cell is the misery wouldn't the death penalty be relief from that. And why would you want to give a murderer relief from that?
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its not about not believing in the death penalty as if theres a question of its existence. were not talking about fairies at the bottom of the garden here. tis about taking another persons life or supporting the taking of that life. no i dont condone the actions of murderers, but where does it stop?? my morality tells me the taking of the life of a person is wrong. and that includes state sanctioned murder. are there mitigating circumstances?? sure there are... self defence. but then again in the legal sense thats not murder now is it??
knowing myself as i do, i can tell you that the death of a family member or a friend at the hands of another would not change my stance. killing a person is wrong. killing another to avenge that death(cause thats what were talking about here) is also wrong.
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It's called Capital Punishment, not Capital Deterrent. I don't really care if it deters the next moron, I want to punish the current one for THEIR inhumane, sick, and barbaric act. What did the VICTIMS do to deserve what they got? BTW, it will deter at least one future offender for sure
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HOWEVER...If you freely admit to killing 17 innocent people for sport, then see you in hell. I'm sorry if that makes me barbaric but its how I feel.
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Even if someone killed a member of my family I wouldn't want them to be murdered by the state. I'd oppose it. I'd prefer for that person to live with the crime. Murdering someone is not the answer to anything.
Then after you've punished that person with a sick, barbaric act of murder, why shouldn't someone then snuff your life out as punishment for your sick, barbaric act of murder?
I want to say that I agree with this stance ... For now, I do. But I am honestly not sure I'd feel the same way if this guy had killed someone I love. Perhaps this is a function of what I do for a living, but I'd probably find it easier to understand what this guy did if it could be proven that he was indeed mentally ill. I'd have a harder time accepting things if he was just murderous or bigoted or trying to trying to get his rocks off by killing total strangers.
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Hmmm ... It might depend on the circumstances of the murder. If you mean "what if a family member of mine went on a random killing spree", I'd probably find it easier to retain my anti-capital punishment stance, while at the same time having to come to terms with the fact that this was not the person I thought I knew.
so youd find it easier if they went on a spree rather than just slit the throat of some sleeping person oblivious to the presence of a murderer?? hmmm
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No, I'd find it pretty bad either way. The spree was just the specific example I used to differentiate between straight-up murder vs. killing in self-defense or other such behaviors.
do you agree that killing in self defense isnt murder and therefore should not be handled as such??
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Yes. So long as we are talking about an immediate life or death situation.
so it doesnt extend to the defense of ones home??
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I think that we as free thinking humans can pass judgment with the severity of the action. A death of a lover caught in bed with another person is not the same as killing 17 people for fun. Once a murder leaves the realm of being in the moment and becomes a planned assault then the death penalty is up for debate.
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i think as deep thinking humans we should come up with something better than killing our own. justifying murder is just not something i can condone. i can seek to understand trhe mindset of a killer(and quite often do)... but when the state kills its own citizens thats where i have the problem... theres no reasoning imo. cause he/she deserves to die isnt a reason for me. and says more about the society than the person being executed.
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very true.
the idea the state has the power to murder its own citizens not only says a lot about how it operates....but says a lot about how much the citizenry is willing to put up with.
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They're called politicians.
but the problem is the court system is such joke and the process of execution so ridiculous that the death penalty should probably be done away with. the fact is innocent people are being executed. i dont have enough faith that the problem can be corrected.
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That's part of the reason I am against it. I mean killing someone for a crime is one thing, but on top of that you leave that decision up to 12 morons stuck on a jury? That doesn't really seem like that great an idea to me.
Plus with the death penalty a murderer dies in prison, with life in prison a murderer dies in prison and on top of that spends the rest of his life time being punished as well. Can anyone explain how the first option is the worse form of punishment?
people seem to have this somewhat skewed notion of what prison life is like; they think prisoners get to sit around and watch Oprah all day on big screen tv's and eat lobster for dinner. if any of these people have ever visited any prison, they'd know it ain't no picnic, and being in jail IS punishment.
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