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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    mrussel1 said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    Merriam-Webster's definition of "spaz":  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spaz
    I have always thought it to mean this.  Someone high sprung or a goof.  Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    New Beyonce album just showed up. yessssssssss

    Not meaning to burst your bubble, Tim, but you might want to check this out first:

    When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank

    Hannah Diviney

    It’s not very often that I don’t know what to say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.

    Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo, on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.

    Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.

    I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz” twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.

    I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank. Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this one out is a whole other level.

    Whenever Beyoncé so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.

    Beyoncé’s commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives, struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.

    But that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.

    It doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the disabled community.

    I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.







    Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything. 

    I'm really hoping she comes around on this one.  And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability?  She would do well to make amends somehow.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
    Never heard of it used in that way.  Is this new?
    Same with me.. like a dork. 

    I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
    It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes...  I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
    I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white.  To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot.  It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc.  Mulatto is specific. 
    I always thought it was to describe a color, not black not white, a mix.  Again, I don't get to why it's a slur.  Someone back in the day must have done stupid shit with the word to make it taboo.
    No, it's a description of your parents, not a color.  Miscegenation was illegal in many states, so being a 'mulatto' is akin to being a bastard or being illegal. 
    No shit?  That was a term to describe an illegal mixed breeding?  Any time I have looked up mulatto it says "mix of black and white" so you can see how I never get the taboo part out of it.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    goldrush said:
    I’ve only ever known the word ‘sp*z’ as an offensive term (it’s literally an abbreviation of spastic paralysis). Growing up in the UK we’d always get into trouble if anyone called someone that word. I guess that highlights the differences in countries and cultures. 
    Another example would be the word ‘c**n’. In the UK, it was a really offensive racist slur, in the US, it could be short for raccoon, in Australia it’s a brand of cheese!

    I can see both sides - on the one hand, are Beyoncé and Lizzo really supposed to know the global differences in interpretations? On the other hand, there are so many co-writers and collaborators on a Beyoncé record that she’s more like a band than a solo artist. Surely one of them would’ve picked up on it, especially so soon after Lizzo?
    You also call a fag a cigarette where here in the US it has a complete different meaning.  Is anyone trying to change the culture over there and stop calling a smoke a fag?

    Or is that ridiculous?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
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    mickeyrat said:
    Merriam-Webster's definition of "spaz":  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spaz
    I have always thought it to mean this.  Someone high sprung or a goof.  Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    New Beyonce album just showed up. yessssssssss

    Not meaning to burst your bubble, Tim, but you might want to check this out first:

    When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank

    Hannah Diviney

    It’s not very often that I don’t know what to say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.

    Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo, on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.

    Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.

    I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz” twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.

    I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank. Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this one out is a whole other level.

    Whenever Beyoncé so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.

    Beyoncé’s commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives, struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.

    But that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.

    It doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the disabled community.

    I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.







    Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything. 

    I'm really hoping she comes around on this one.  And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability?  She would do well to make amends somehow.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
    Never heard of it used in that way.  Is this new?
    Same with me.. like a dork. 

    I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
    It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes...  I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
    I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white.  To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot.  It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc.  Mulatto is specific. 
    I always thought it was to describe a color, not black not white, a mix.  Again, I don't get to why it's a slur.  Someone back in the day must have done stupid shit with the word to make it taboo.
    No, it's a description of your parents, not a color.  Miscegenation was illegal in many states, so being a 'mulatto' is akin to being a bastard or being illegal. 
    No shit?  That was a term to describe an illegal mixed breeding?  Any time I have looked up mulatto it says "mix of black and white" so you can see how I never get the taboo part out of it.
    I wouldn't go so far as it's a term to describe ILLEGAL mixed breeding.  I'm saying it's a breeding term and mixed was illegal in some states. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    mrussel1 said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    Merriam-Webster's definition of "spaz":  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spaz
    I have always thought it to mean this.  Someone high sprung or a goof.  Never have I ever heard the word Spaz used to put down someone with cerebral palsy.
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    brianlux said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    New Beyonce album just showed up. yessssssssss

    Not meaning to burst your bubble, Tim, but you might want to check this out first:

    When Beyoncé dropped the same ableist slur as Lizzo on her new album, my heart sank

    Hannah Diviney

    It’s not very often that I don’t know what to say, rendered speechless by ignorance, sadness and a simmering anger born of bone-deep exhaustion. But that’s how I feel right now.

    Six weeks ago I called out American singer, Lizzo, on Twitter for her use of an ableist slur (“spaz”) in a new song. That tweet of mine – which explained how the slur was connected to my disability, cerebral palsy – took me less than five minutes to write and it went viral, landing on the front page of global news outlets including the BBC, New York Times and the Washington Post.

    Lizzo herself even took notice, changing the lyric and giving us all a masterclass in how to be a true and effective ally.

    I thought we’d changed the music industry and started a global conversation about why ableist language – intentional or not – has no place in music. But I guess I was wrong, because now Beyoncé has gone and done exactly the same thing. In fact, she’s used the word “spaz” twice in a new song Heated, a co-write with Canadian rapper Drake off her new album, Renaissance, which dropped on Friday.

    I found out by way of a snarky mention on Twitter asking if I planned to tell Queen Bey to “do better” like I had with Lizzo. My heart sank. Here we were again, but this time the stakes feel higher. Calling this one out is a whole other level.

    Whenever Beyoncé so much as breathes it becomes a cultural moment. She’s often the blueprint for the music industry – with artists and entertainers following her lead. That’s the status she has earned after decades of a career at the top, never making the same move twice, seeming to play in an entirely different league to the majority of the music industry.

    Beyoncé’s commitment to storytelling musically and visually is unparalleled, as is her power to have the world paying attention to the narratives, struggles and nuanced lived experience of being a black woman – a world I can only ever understand as an ally, and have no desire to overshadow.

    But that doesn’t excuse her use of ableist language – language that gets used and ignored all too often. Language you can be sure I will never ignore, no matter who it comes from or what the circumstances are. It doesn’t excuse the fact that the teams of people involved in making this album somehow missed all the noise the disabled community made only six weeks ago when Lizzo did the same thing.

    It doesn’t explain how millions of people have already heard this album and yet aren’t raising the issue, except to make fun of or degrade the disabled community.

    I’m so tired. Disabled people deserve better. I don’t want to have this conversation again.







    Yeah. I heard it in the song last week. It’s a bummer. I’d rather them own it and be better going forward than not doing anything. 

    I'm really hoping she comes around on this one.  And it probably wasn't meant to be derogatory, but how do you tell that to someone with a disability?  She would do well to make amends somehow.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.
    Never heard of it used in that way.  Is this new?
    Same with me.. like a dork. 

    I'm sure someone is going to tell me that "dork" is a slur for something too.
    It's where I draw the line at the PC thing sometimes...  I still don't get how mulatto is a slur...
    I get that one.. it's someone half black and half white.  To me, a person can choose to be a spaz, a dork, a jerk, an idiot.  It's not specific to race, creed, color, etc.  Mulatto is specific. 
    I always thought it was to describe a color, not black not white, a mix.  Again, I don't get to why it's a slur.  Someone back in the day must have done stupid shit with the word to make it taboo.
    No, it's a description of your parents, not a color.  Miscegenation was illegal in many states, so being a 'mulatto' is akin to being a bastard or being illegal. 
    No shit?  That was a term to describe an illegal mixed breeding?  Any time I have looked up mulatto it says "mix of black and white" so you can see how I never get the taboo part out of it.
    I wouldn't go so far as it's a term to describe ILLEGAL mixed breeding.  I'm saying it's a breeding term and mixed was illegal in some states. 
    So I am back to square one and don't see the taboo part...  I need to research the word and go down the rabbit hole.
  • mickeyrat
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    goldrush said:
    I’ve only ever known the word ‘sp*z’ as an offensive term (it’s literally an abbreviation of spastic paralysis). Growing up in the UK we’d always get into trouble if anyone called someone that word. I guess that highlights the differences in countries and cultures. 
    Another example would be the word ‘c**n’. In the UK, it was a really offensive racist slur, in the US, it could be short for raccoon, in Australia it’s a brand of cheese!

    I can see both sides - on the one hand, are Beyoncé and Lizzo really supposed to know the global differences in interpretations? On the other hand, there are so many co-writers and collaborators on a Beyoncé record that she’s more like a band than a solo artist. Surely one of them would’ve picked up on it, especially so soon after Lizzo?
    You also call a fag a cigarette where here in the US it has a complete different meaning.  Is anyone trying to change the culture over there and stop calling a smoke a fag?

    Or is that ridiculous?

    not to mention the uk and aus liberal use of cunt
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  • Tim Simmons
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    edited August 2022
    I think like a lot of white created slurs for black people, its indebted to prejudice and has become outdated and offensive. 
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    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,740
    I gotta be honest, theres no derogatory term that I am willing to die on a hill to defend using. Its not a big deal to me to stop using something if it offends people. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    goldrush said:
    I’ve only ever known the word ‘sp*z’ as an offensive term (it’s literally an abbreviation of spastic paralysis). Growing up in the UK we’d always get into trouble if anyone called someone that word. I guess that highlights the differences in countries and cultures. 
    Another example would be the word ‘c**n’. In the UK, it was a really offensive racist slur, in the US, it could be short for raccoon, in Australia it’s a brand of cheese!

    I can see both sides - on the one hand, are Beyoncé and Lizzo really supposed to know the global differences in interpretations? On the other hand, there are so many co-writers and collaborators on a Beyoncé record that she’s more like a band than a solo artist. Surely one of them would’ve picked up on it, especially so soon after Lizzo?
    You also call a fag a cigarette where here in the US it has a complete different meaning.  Is anyone trying to change the culture over there and stop calling a smoke a fag?

    Or is that ridiculous?

    not to mention the uk and aus liberal use of cunt
    I love that word and when they use it, lol.  It's a term of endearment sometimes too but here?  Nope...
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Tim Simmons said:
    I gotta be honest, theres no derogatory term that I am willing to die on a hill to defend using. Its not a big deal to me to stop using something if it offends people. 
    If it has a separate meaning.  Words and meaning of them change.  But yeah, I have changed my use of certain words over the years and have removed plenty from my vocabulary.


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I gotta be honest, theres no derogatory term that I am willing to die on a hill to defend using. Its not a big deal to me to stop using something if it offends people. 
    If it has a separate meaning.  Words and meaning of them change.  But yeah, I have changed my use of certain words over the years and have removed plenty from my vocabulary.


    So long as they don't touch "douchebag" 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,740
    eh, even if it has a secondary meaning (like the UK slang for cigarette), the ambiguity isn't worth it. There are other words.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I gotta be honest, theres no derogatory term that I am willing to die on a hill to defend using. Its not a big deal to me to stop using something if it offends people. 
    If it has a separate meaning.  Words and meaning of them change.  But yeah, I have changed my use of certain words over the years and have removed plenty from my vocabulary.


    So long as they don't touch "douchebag" 
    I always thought Son of a Bitch was a prime target to get the axe but here we are in the year 2022 and it's still a favorite of the people, lol!
  • Loujoe
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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,782
    I get it now. It's cultural that's why I didn't understand. Hey if I say f..k you all is that ok? :)
  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,782
    Honestly. I said mother f..ker to my friend that's from south america and he was very offended. Here, in US insulting someone's mom was always kind of a fun joke as kids. So I get that we need to be understanding. Where it gets confusing to me is when is it time for the people that are offended to understand that it's not intended to be insulting. Idk. It's confusing.
    Love most people of this world and hope never to insult anyone unintentionally.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Loujoe said:
    Honestly. I said mother f..ker to my friend that's from south america and he was very offended. Here, in US insulting someone's mom was always kind of a fun joke as kids. So I get that we need to be understanding. Where it gets confusing to me is when is it time for the people that are offended to understand that it's not intended to be insulting. Idk. It's confusing.
    Love most people of this world and hope never to insult anyone unintentionally.
    Right, MFer is not a literal statement here in the US and doesn't have anything to do with one's mom (like sonuvabitch). 
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    https://youtu.be/4XhrtjN2A2s
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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,782
    edited August 2022
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    Ink spots-band signed score. Kind of dumb but am a sucker for band signed stuff. Thinking about its history and how important it was for someone. 
    Both dirt cheap
    Would post a picture, but my phone is not behaving properly. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    dankind said:
    https://youtu.be/4XhrtjN2A2s
    I miss him...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    MedozK said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MedozK said:
    @mrussel1, I just picked up 2 very nice VG+++ '75-'77 pressings of Exile and Sticky Fingers. Can't wait to A/B these with the reissues. The Exile is an Artisan plate... was excited to get these. 

    In the same purchase picked up late VG+++ 70s pressings of Animals and Meddle.  All of these from the same seller, crazy good condition.
    That's great!  What happened with that other Exile you found a few weeks ago?
    It is ok, but to much surface noise for me.
    UPDATE ON EXILE!  @MedozK

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