GITMO and Pearl Jam - a publicity stunt?

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    MrSmith wrote:
    drawing attention to West Memphis Three, some local issue or something people dont know about is one thing, but ranting about Iraq, not debating or having intelligent conversation, but using a bullhorn to shout at people, is utterly pointless. People don't like to be preached to. do you?

    who the fuck ever left a PJ show thinking "wow that rockstar is so right! i'm gonna oppose the war now!" it just hardens people to their own opinion. it has the opposite effect of getting people to oppose it. the choir eats it up, but again, that doesnt do anything.
    not ture at all.



    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.


    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    edited November 2009
    Jeanwah wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:

    If you didn't like Ed's "rants", well, if the shoe was on the other foot, what would you do if you had a microphone in your hand for thousands of people to hear you with? A microphone is a pretty powerful tool, would you "shut up and sing", and do as you're told by the listeners? Or would you say what you wanted everyone to hear?
    i'd shut up and sing. if someone asked my opinion, i'd give it. i don't send work to my boss with a note attached detailing why Bush should be in jail. its my fucking job. i'll help out my causes on my own time, not when someone else is paying me to do something else.
    So you'd "do as they told ya". Very nice.
    not at all. just cause i don't feel so important as to think that my opinion should be heard by everyone around me nonstop whether they want it or not doesn't make me a sheep. its about respect for other peopleand their time, especially people that helped me get where i am.

    maybe throwing in a quick thing about the war is fine, but stopping the show for a long winded rant is disrespectful. it insults my intelligence.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Commy wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    drawing attention to West Memphis Three, some local issue or something people dont know about is one thing, but ranting about Iraq, not debating or having intelligent conversation, but using a bullhorn to shout at people, is utterly pointless. People don't like to be preached to. do you?

    who the fuck ever left a PJ show thinking "wow that rockstar is so right! i'm gonna oppose the war now!" it just hardens people to their own opinion. it has the opposite effect of getting people to oppose it. the choir eats it up, but again, that doesnt do anything.
    not ture at all.



    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.


    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.
    and when you preach constantly, especially in the most tactless, beligerent way possible, people quickly learn to stop listening and avoid you at all costs. the right way to go about it is civil debate and respect for other's opinions, not screaming at people. people like myself dont like to be told what to do or think by some ass with a bullhorn.


    i will say this though. Eddie has gotten much more civil and tactful about it than he used to be. before, it was all "i hate republicans and you people are assholes and fuck you blablabla". yeah, that kinda shit really helps. now he at least tries to really reach people. but he's usually too drunk to get it across well.

    you can talk about it in ways that actually help, but ranting about it with a microphone isn't a very good one.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    i will say this though. Eddie has gotten much more civil and tactful about it than he used to be. before, it was all "i hate republicans and you people are assholes and fuck you blablabla".

    Strange, but I've never heard him say anything like that. Maybe my record's are all scratched?

    If you told me that you knew of a rock singer who preaches constantly in the most tactless, belligerent way, Eddie Vedder isn't someone who would spring to mind.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Byrnzie wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    i will say this though. Eddie has gotten much more civil and tactful about it than he used to be. before, it was all "i hate republicans and you people are assholes and fuck you blablabla".

    Strange, but I've never heard him say anything like that. Maybe my record's are all scratched?
    sure he does. on his earlier solo tour he said basically just that and didnt feel like being nice, then said he would take their money and give it to democrats. i think he was pretty hungover, though.

    actually, that one was one of his funnier ones, because it was so blatantly antagonistic, but you could tell he was pissed.

    not to mention the "fuck em" response on Storytellers.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited November 2009
    MrSmith wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Strange, but I've never heard him say anything like that. Maybe my record's are all scratched?

    sure he does. on his earlier solo tour he said basically just that and didnt feel like being nice, then said he would take their money and give it to democrats. i think he was pretty hungover, though.

    actually, that one was one of his funnier ones, because it was so blatantly antagonistic, but you could tell he was pissed.

    not to mention the "fuck em" response on Storytellers.

    I often don't feel like being nice either - coz I'm human. So what?

    'He can sing at shows, but he shouldn't speak'.

    Why don't you just go the whole hog and tell him to stop singing too?

    God Bless America! :lol:
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Byrnzie wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Strange, but I've never heard him say anything like that. Maybe my record's are all scratched?

    sure he does. on his earlier solo tour he said basically just that and didnt feel like being nice, then said he would take their money and give it to democrats. i think he was pretty hungover, though.

    actually, that one was one of his funnier ones, because it was so blatantly antagonistic, but you could tell he was pissed.

    not to mention the "fuck em" response on Storytellers.

    I often don't feel like being nice either - coz I'm human. So what?

    Why don't you just go the whole hog and tell him to stop singing too?

    'He can sing at shows, but he shouldn't speak'.

    God Bless America! :lol:
    its a free country, he can do what he wants.

    and as long as he promises never to sing No More again, or Speed of Sound for that matter, he can sing. i'll allow it.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Commy wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    drawing attention to West Memphis Three, some local issue or something people dont know about is one thing, but ranting about Iraq, not debating or having intelligent conversation, but using a bullhorn to shout at people, is utterly pointless. People don't like to be preached to. do you?

    who the fuck ever left a PJ show thinking "wow that rockstar is so right! i'm gonna oppose the war now!" it just hardens people to their own opinion. it has the opposite effect of getting people to oppose it. the choir eats it up, but again, that doesnt do anything.
    not ture at all.

    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.

    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.

    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    drawing attention to West Memphis Three, some local issue or something people dont know about is one thing, but ranting about Iraq, not debating or having intelligent conversation, but using a bullhorn to shout at people, is utterly pointless. People don't like to be preached to. do you?

    who the fuck ever left a PJ show thinking "wow that rockstar is so right! i'm gonna oppose the war now!" it just hardens people to their own opinion. it has the opposite effect of getting people to oppose it. the choir eats it up, but again, that doesnt do anything.
    not ture at all.

    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.

    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.

    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    better than sitting on your arse doing nothing and crapping on that it wont change anything .
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    catefrances wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    not ture at all.

    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.

    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.

    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    better than sitting on your arse doing nothing and crapping on that it wont change anything .

    the message is clear. the war hasn't stopped not becos americans have forgotten or aren't aware. it hasn't stopped becos we clearly don't give a flying fuck. it's sad, but thus is real life. welcome to reality.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    soulsinging wrote:
    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    Sure, because the civil rights movement during the 60's, and other civil rights movements since, were all just a hopeless waste of time that achieved nothing, right?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    soulsinging wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    drawing attention to West Memphis Three, some local issue or something people dont know about is one thing, but ranting about Iraq, not debating or having intelligent conversation, but using a bullhorn to shout at people, is utterly pointless. People don't like to be preached to. do you?

    who the fuck ever left a PJ show thinking "wow that rockstar is so right! i'm gonna oppose the war now!" it just hardens people to their own opinion. it has the opposite effect of getting people to oppose it. the choir eats it up, but again, that doesnt do anything.
    not ture at all.

    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.

    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.

    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    yeah we should have done that in the 70's and let vietnam go on for a few more decades.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Byrnzie wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    Sure, because the civil rights movement during the 60's, and other civil rights movements since, were all just a hopeless waste of time that achieved nothing, right?

    no they weren't. but last i checked, a few rich rock stars preaching from their stage didnt have much to do with that. i'm not saying he souldnt say whatever the fuck he wants onstage, im just saying it's laughable to think eddie vedder's 15 second stage rants make a difference on anything. the work he does offstage matters far, far more in the grand scheme of things.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Commy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    not ture at all.

    if we stay silent the issue is forgotten. we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of ending war, else we all go back to our lazy complacent lives. its a wake up call, call to arms, whatever. when people stop talking about it that's when they win. that's when murder becomes legal. and fuck that.

    id i had a microphone and 30,000 people in front of me i'd sure as hell bring it up too. change starts with information, and discussion, and i know its rock concert but people are dying, every day. its an urgent message and it needs to be relayed.

    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    yeah we should have done that in the 70's and let vietnam go on for a few more decades.

    given that is started under kennedy in the early 60s and ended when we left saigon in 75... it took a decade. and you're delusional if you think rock stars had anything to do with it.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    good call, they've been reminding us since 2002 and clearly, it has changed everything!

    you people tha tthing activism and awareness is worth anything crack me up.

    better than sitting on your arse doing nothing and crapping on that it wont change anything .

    the message is clear. the war hasn't stopped not becos americans have forgotten or aren't aware. it hasn't stopped becos we clearly don't give a flying fuck. it's sad, but thus is real life. welcome to reality.


    i have to question WHY you all dont give a fuck... flying or otherwise.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    catefrances wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    the message is clear. the war hasn't stopped not becos americans have forgotten or aren't aware. it hasn't stopped becos we clearly don't give a flying fuck. it's sad, but thus is real life. welcome to reality.

    i have to question WHY you all dont give a fuck... flying or otherwise.

    i wish i knew. the luxurious indifference of being rich and sheltered i suppose?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    soulsinging wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    the message is clear. the war hasn't stopped not becos americans have forgotten or aren't aware. it hasn't stopped becos we clearly don't give a flying fuck. it's sad, but thus is real life. welcome to reality.

    i have to question WHY you all dont give a fuck... flying or otherwise.

    i wish i knew. the luxurious indifference of being rich and sheltered i suppose?
    indoctrinated? subjected to more propaganda than north korea maybe? i think so.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    the message is clear. the war hasn't stopped not becos americans have forgotten or aren't aware. it hasn't stopped becos we clearly don't give a flying fuck. it's sad, but thus is real life. welcome to reality.

    i have to question WHY you all dont give a fuck... flying or otherwise.

    i wish i knew. the luxurious indifference of being rich and sheltered i suppose?


    aah yes the decadent west. sux not to be us doesnt it?? ;)
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Commy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i have to question WHY you all dont give a fuck... flying or otherwise.

    i wish i knew. the luxurious indifference of being rich and sheltered i suppose?
    indoctrinated? subjected to more propaganda than north korea maybe? i think so.

    i would never deny we're subject to plenty of indoctrination and propaganda (see me in the vet's day thread), but if you think we can even compete with north korea, you truly are delusional.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    soulsinging wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    i wish i knew. the luxurious indifference of being rich and sheltered i suppose?
    indoctrinated? subjected to more propaganda than north korea maybe? i think so.

    i would never deny we're subject to plenty of indoctrination and propaganda (see me in the vet's day thread), but if you think we can even compete with north korea, you truly are delusional.
    differnet kind of propaganda. much more advanced

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