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The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Just like he got better as the 2010 season went on.

Not trying to be a dick. I'm not a yanks hater. Just saying though

He had one of the worst 18-win seasons in history. Fixer is right - he's really not that good.

Your offense & bullpen on the other hand...

All I'm saying is that I'd be worried if I was a yanks fan. The Yanks history of developing pitchers is pretty terrible


Hughes threw well enough in the first half of last season that he was named to the American League All-Star team, and now he is a complete mystery to the Yankees; they have no idea if he'll contribute anything this season, because right now, he has no weapons. His velocity is down significantly -- he was throwing in the 89-90 mph range in his start against Boston on Friday -- and the movement on each of his pitches has all but disappeared. His fastball is flat, his cutter drifts, his curveball rolls instead of biting.

Why? Well, the Yankees don't think he's hurt. They think that most seasons of his career, Hughes has tended to build velocity from the outset of a season, rather than starting the year with good velocity, as he did in 2010.

But there may also be concern that as Hughes used the cut fastball effectively in the first half of last year, it took a toll: His arm angle -- which isn't the same as release point -- gradually got lower, and the quality of his fastballs diminished. His struggles really began last year.

Hughes' velocity was down all spring, and in his first start of this season, it looked like some of the Tigers' hitters -- most notably Miguel Cabrera -- were all but running up to the ball, like Happy Gilmore teeing off. In two starts this year, Hughes has allowed three homers and generated one strikeout, and allowed 11 runs in six innings.

igotid88

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Just like he got better as the 2010 season went on.

Not trying to be a dick. I'm not a yanks hater. Just saying though

He had one of the worst 18-win seasons in history. Fixer is right - he's really not that good.

Your offense & bullpen on the other hand...

again it was his first full season. Give him at least 3 full years. By your logic Halladay and Cliff Lee were not that good either.

igotid88

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Just like he got better as the 2010 season went on.

Not trying to be a dick. I'm not a yanks hater. Just saying though

He had one of the worst 18-win seasons in history. Fixer is right - he's really not that good.

Your offense & bullpen on the other hand...

All I'm saying is that I'd be worried if I was a yanks fan


Hughes threw well enough in the first half of last season that he was named to the American League All-Star team, and now he is a complete mystery to the Yankees; they have no idea if he'll contribute anything this season, because right now, he has no weapons. His velocity is down significantly -- he was throwing in the 89-90 mph range in his start against Boston on Friday -- and the movement on each of his pitches has all but disappeared. His fastball is flat, his cutter drifts, his curveball rolls instead of biting.

Why? Well, the Yankees don't think he's hurt. They think that most seasons of his career, Hughes has tended to build velocity from the outset of a season, rather than starting the year with good velocity, as he did in 2010.

But there may also be concern that as Hughes used the cut fastball effectively in the first half of last year, it took a toll: His arm angle -- which isn't the same as release point -- gradually got lower, and the quality of his fastballs diminished. His struggles really began last year.

Hughes' velocity was down all spring, and in his first start of this season, it looked like some of the Tigers' hitters -- most notably Miguel Cabrera -- were all but running up to the ball, like Happy Gilmore teeing off. In two starts this year, Hughes has allowed three homers and generated one strikeout, and allowed 11 runs in six innings.

his velocity was down in spring training last year as well and he didn't make his first start untll April 15. Before that he was getting some work done in Tampa before his start. I'm not gonna write him off after 2 starts.

his strong start last year probably hurt him because instead of skipping his starts early in the season to save him for the second half. they had to keep him in and do the skip starts later in the year. He did have some good starts in the second half even though the numbers don't show it.

neilybabes86

ok let's lock up this 9th inning

Cliffy6745

Problem with sports is that everyone takes your last start for what you are. Like people here said, halladay and lee sucked before they were good. Hughes is young and has good stuff, no Yankees fan is ready to give up on the kid after 2 starts. Even if he struggles this year, dude can have a great year.

And there is a specific reason the yanks don't develop pitchers well, they don't have the time. When winning is a requirement, you can't exactly let a kid like Ian Kennedy try to figure it out

igotid88

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Problem with sports is that everyone takes your last start for what you are. Like people here said, halladay and lee sucked before they were good. Hughes is young and has good stuff, no Yankees fan is ready to give up on the kid after 2 starts. Even if he struggles this year, dude can have a great year.

And there is a specific reason the yanks don't develop pitchers well, they don't have the time. When winning is a requirement, you can't exactly let a kid like Ian Kennedy try to figure it out

exactly. usually our young guys are pitching for other teams. most of us expected Hughes to sort of have a sophomore slump this year.

neilybabes86

NICE WIN..LOVE SEEING THE SUX FANS LOOKING BAFFLED IN THE STANDS

igotid88

A-Rod scratched from lineup. He's sick

Newch91

I like tonight: CC against lefty-heavy Boston line-up.

Newch91

Let's get Becket out of the game early. Hate him so much.

neilybabes86

Newch91 wrote:

Let's get Becket out of the game early. Hate him so much.

he is another wanna be tough guy

what a punk

Newch91

neilybabes86 wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

Let's get Becket out of the game early. Hate him so much.

he is another wanna be tough guy

what a punk

Agreed. He would get his ass kicked easily.

Cliffy6745

Espn blows

Newch91

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Espn blows

Announcers? I have the volume down and have music playing. I only listen to the announcers on TV when Ken Singleton calls the games.

neilybabes86

a kid in the stands had a jacket..... "6 x world series champion"

Newch91

neilybabes86 wrote:

a kid in the stands had a jacket..... "6 x world series champion"

neilybabes86

Newch91 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

a kid in the stands had a jacket..... "6 x world series champion"

the year's were so tiny on the back of the jacket

Newch91

neilybabes86 wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

a kid in the stands had a jacket..... "6 x world series champion"

the year's were so tiny on the back of the jacket

I hope it wasn't a Red Sox fan because that would be an epic fail.

Cliffy6745

What a break. He was well out of the path.

Newch91

I hate Yukilis also. He clearly slid into Jeter on purpose.