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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Wobbie said:
    Gallo to the Dodgers...he's gonna hit a big world series home run against the Yankees, isn't he?
    he’ll be released by then.

    plus, no WS for d**gers.
    Since Gallo trade

    Dodgers 6-0
    Yankees 1-5
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    igotid88 said:
    Not sure if I heard the stats correctly. But since the sticky stuff ban, Cole is 13-10 with a 3.89 e.r.a. . Basically who he was in Pittsburgh 
    I don't think his record is even that good.

    I do know that his spin rotation is a fraction of what it used to be.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,605
    edited August 2022
    igotid88 said:
    Not sure if I heard the stats correctly. But since the sticky stuff ban, Cole is 13-10 with a 3.89 e.r.a. . Basically who he was in Pittsburgh 
    I don't think his record is even that good.

    I do know that his spin rotation is a fraction of what it used to be.
    What did they do in Houston? I don't think Verlander would be doing what he's doing if the Yankees had signed him
    I miss igotid88
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    I glanced at his spin rate and it actually isn’t down that much. 2019 was far and away his best but this year and last I think are his 2nd and 3rd best and still well above average…at least for the 4 seamer 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    I glanced at his spin rate and it actually isn’t down that much. 2019 was far and away his best but this year and last I think are his 2nd and 3rd best and still well above average…at least for the 4 seamer 
    His FB and offspeed is down 200 rotations, breaking ball 150.

    I look at it like this, if Matt Harvey lost a few mph on his fastball and wouldn't adapt to "pitching" and not blowing it by people anymore then Cole is at least trying to still pitch but he just isn't the same without that little extra.

    Since 2019 he has had a decline that is noticeable since coming to the Yankees.  It is in like w his spin rate too.

    What else could it be?  Some games he is great and then others he is mortal.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    I glanced at his spin rate and it actually isn’t down that much. 2019 was far and away his best but this year and last I think are his 2nd and 3rd best and still well above average…at least for the 4 seamer 
    His FB and offspeed is down 200 rotations, breaking ball 150.

    I look at it like this, if Matt Harvey lost a few mph on his fastball and wouldn't adapt to "pitching" and not blowing it by people anymore then Cole is at least trying to still pitch but he just isn't the same without that little extra.

    Since 2019 he has had a decline that is noticeable since coming to the Yankees.  It is in like w his spin rate too.

    What else could it be?  Some games he is great and then others he is mortal.
    Right, 2019 was his career year and he's been good since coming to the Yankees but not HOF type pitcher they were hoping for.  Spin rate has been down, but assume it is across the board. I don't really think it's a fraction of what it used to be.

    The problem is home runs and has been a consistent problem since last year. His WHIP is great, but gives up meatballs
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    I glanced at his spin rate and it actually isn’t down that much. 2019 was far and away his best but this year and last I think are his 2nd and 3rd best and still well above average…at least for the 4 seamer 
    His FB and offspeed is down 200 rotations, breaking ball 150.

    I look at it like this, if Matt Harvey lost a few mph on his fastball and wouldn't adapt to "pitching" and not blowing it by people anymore then Cole is at least trying to still pitch but he just isn't the same without that little extra.

    Since 2019 he has had a decline that is noticeable since coming to the Yankees.  It is in like w his spin rate too.

    What else could it be?  Some games he is great and then others he is mortal.
    Right, 2019 was his career year and he's been good since coming to the Yankees but not HOF type pitcher they were hoping for.  Spin rate has been down, but assume it is across the board. I don't really think it's a fraction of what it used to be.

    The problem is home runs and has been a consistent problem since last year. His WHIP is great, but gives up meatballs
    He gets clobbered sometimes.  He's on one of my fantasy teams that the computer picked for me and no way I would have picked him as hotrod pitchers that come to the Yankees don't fair so well, think Sonny Gray, Johnson and Irabu.

    I mentioned the spin raTES FROM YEAR TO YEAR BUT FROM 2019 TO NOW?  iT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.  (I hit the caps lock, sorry)

    Verlander and Scherzer are still killing it.  I do think he has lost an edge though.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    edited August 2022
    Yeah...David Cone, Mussina, Clemens, CC,, Tanaka, Kuroda would all like to differ
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    Yeah...David Cone, Mussina, Clemens, CC,, Tanaka, Kuroda would all like to differ
    Would you like me to name the other big busts over the years?  It's well known that players in general have a harder time playing in NY.

    I never said that ALL pitchers that come here don't do well.  Good spin on that one.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    You said “hotrod pitchers that come to the Yankees don’t fare so well”. Obviously agree that some do well and some don’t, but that’s not what you said. You seem to make very definitive statements then say and backtrack a good bit 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    You said “hotrod pitchers that come to the Yankees don’t fare so well”. Obviously agree that some do well and some don’t, but that’s not what you said. You seem to make very definitive statements then say and backtrack a good bit 
    You take it as definitive.  I have to backtrack because you would rather not agree with what I did say was right and focus on what I didn't say.  Of course there were some good ones but I wanted to highlight some bad ones as examples for this discussion.

    If Cole was doing better then I would have brought up say Clemens' first stint or Mussina but then you would have just told me about all the pitchers that weren't good for them...



  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    edited August 2022
    You didn’t say some hotrod pitchers are a bust, your statement was that hotrod pictures coming to the Yankees are a bust, as in all. 

    Cole also has a 3.21 era (which is ironically exactly his career era) since coming to the yanks so while he clearly has had some stinkers and been more inconsistent than excepted, he’s also been very good 
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    edited August 2022
    Judge is outrageously good 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Wtf, they take the lead, I step away and they’re losing. Come the fuck on 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Things are bad
  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    Wtf, they take the lead, I step away and they’re losing. Come the fuck on 
    It's because I was in attendance 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    You didn’t say some hotrod pitchers are a bust, your statement was that hotrod pictures coming to the Yankees are a bust, as in all. 

    Cole also has a 3.21 era (which is ironically exactly his career era) since coming to the yanks so while he clearly has had some stinkers and been more inconsistent than excepted, he’s also been very good 
    I mentioned bad pitchers in my statement because Cole reminds me of them. If he was better I would have likened him to Clemens.  

    He's on my fantasy team and like you said, is very inconsistent.  Let's up 6 runs one game then none the next.

    I don't think we will ever see that 2019 season form again. Flashes, sure.  He has good nights and then for whatever reason he goes south.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    He's leading the league in strikeouts and has a 3.21 ERA over 2.5 seasons, but yeah, he's a complete busy like Irabu
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,798
    Ha.  Fat Toad.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved