U2 Upset About Their Latest Album
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"Because, to some extent, the concept of the music fan - the concept of the person who buys music and listens to music for the pleasure of music itself - is an outdated idea."
Can you believe this shit?? They're upset that their album didn't make them enough money, fucking pathetic!
This is what's wrong with the music industry.
"Because, to some extent, the concept of the music fan - the concept of the person who buys music and listens to music for the pleasure of music itself - is an outdated idea."
Can you believe this shit?? They're upset that their album didn't make them enough money, fucking pathetic!
This is what's wrong with the music industry.
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Did you even read it?? The whole thing is about them not being satisfied with how much money they made off of that album.
Any band or artist with any real integrity shouldn't care how much money they make off their music
the article says they are upset about not making enough money but I don't see any quotes where a band member is actually saying they are upset about how much money its made.
And i think that quote means hes saying people are less passionate about music these days they just listen to what is popular "Because, to some extent, the concept of the music fan - the concept of the person who buys music and listens to music for the pleasure of music itself - is an outdated idea."
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"As Bono stated, the band wasn't able to "pull off the pop songs"."...... Can't get any more obvious than that.
If you need further proof, here's the original story that was mentioned in the article I posted: http://www.spinner.ca/2009/10/23/u2-dis ... tinum-once
i'm not seeing that either. they seemed to shrug off the commercial issues and talk instead about why the audience wasn't responding to the new material. and i totally get what they're saying. it's a good album, but nothing like their last few commercial hits. it's a very moody album that was never going to appeal to people just looking for a single, and he may have a point there. it is kind of a disposable singles world anymore and it seems the interests of music fans are changing. strong albums don't mean what they used to.
actually no where it the article does it say that they are not happy about the money it made. infact, the word money does not appear at all. U2 was unhappy that what they produce didn't connect with people out there.
i love people who don't like U2 talk crap but back it up with nothing.
Even in that original article there is no quote from a band member implying they are unhappy with the money its made, they are talking about how they are upset people don't connect to music like they used to.
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Even though they never said the wordy "money", it is still implied that they are unhappy that their record did not sell.
Let me spell it out for you...Title of the Spinner article: "U2 Disappointed by 'No Line' Only Going Platinum Once"
How much more selfish can a band get??
As a fellow musician, it is sickening to see bands get like this, where they care more about the money they're making rather than the music they're making. Real musicians don't give a shit about album sales. Doesn't matter if it was U2 or any other band.
That was the point I was trying to make.
Too bad you failed to make it. Spin picked the article title, not U2. And those corporate money grubbers at Spin played you like a damn violin to get you all wound up about U2 because they know exactly how to manipulate you into buying magazines or spreading links around to increase their visitors. And you get to indulge in a little self-righteous (and probably jealous) indignation about how evil U2 is and how it's unfair that they are successful and your band isn't. Everybody wins, except U2... the serious musician's favorite punching bag :roll:
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Look, I don't care what band it is (could be Nickelback or Green Day, doesn't matter), I was just making an observation. I actually like a couple U2 songs.
There really isn't anything for me to jealous about either; I could care less about getting famous and making the big bucks.
How did I fail to make my point? Seems pretty clear to me...
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
everyone that has posted thus far disagrees. you're just looking for reasons to hate on U2... I'm guessing both those other bands you listed you already hate too. how about pearl jam? they've brokered deals with target, made a ton more with this album than they have in the past, and have made no secret that they're trying to break back into the limelight. were you bitching about them for it?
Yet both albums were completely lacking in any of that. No Line, and Working on a Dream, didnt have the sing along songs, didnt have anthemic chorus type songs. There wasnt Beautiful Day or Walk On, on No Line, and there was not a The Rising or Born in the USA on Working on a Dream.
I dont know what happened, but it seems like it happened to both of those artists simotaneously.
Both u2 and bruce supported Obama, but, i find it hard to believe both would somehow give up the whole anthemic songs idea just because a politician they like is in office.
i love all their records. They are one of those bands that you need to buy every single record in the catalogue, and you need to buy the records every time something new comes out by them.
u2 sure does bring out people's inferiority complexes
I've to say that I'm surprised that the album sales aren't higher however what does one expect in these economic times. Sales are all down around the music industry in general and maybe they knew that when they went on the road with the spectacle of the CLAW 360. As a way to draw fans to the concert and hopefully for more record sales and merch.
For you to say real musicians (whatever that means) don't care about record sales is a foolish idea in general. No one goes into busines and doesn't care about sales, they want their bproduct to sell and sell very very well. U2 is no different from Metallica to Pearl Jam they want their product to sell. Nowhere in the article did the band say they where dissappointed in album sales the writer of the article was trying to imply that and he did a very good job in your mind cause you bought it hook line and sinker.
In the end though U2 will sell very well with this album with the YouTube broadcast around the world a first and the continuing 360 tour the sales will jump for sure. I didn't like the album at first but I left it for some time then came back and I thought 80% of it was great especially live. The exact same for Backspacer just that the album reached 90% of it I liked so far
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i think u2 just got bored with the cookie cutter arena anthems. they've never sat still for very long, which is a big part of why they've been so successful. as to bruce, i'm not terribly familiar with his career, but i've gotten the impression he's always thrown in the occasional introspective folk-ish type album and only his juggernaut albums like born to run and born in the usa were big on the anthems.
Any band or artist with any real integrity shouldn't care how much money they make off their music[/quote]
actually no where it the article does it say that they are not happy about the money it made. infact, the word money does not appear at all. U2 was unhappy that what they produce didn't connect with people out there.
i love people who don't like U2 talk crap but back it up with nothing.[/quote]
Even though they never said the wordy "money", it is still implied that they are unhappy that their record did not sell.
Let me spell it out for you...Title of the Spinner article: "U2 Disappointed by 'No Line' Only Going Platinum Once"
How much more selfish can a band get??
As a fellow musician, it is sickening to see bands get like this, where they care more about the money they're making rather than the music they're making. Real musicians don't give a shit about album sales. Doesn't matter if it was U2 or any other band.
That was the point I was trying to make.[/quote]
i think you are putting your thoughts on other here. bands want to connect with their fans and non-fans, that incudes you as a musician want to play for people an if you don't congrats but i think it is foolish. real musicians do care about record sales. if you don't get the record sales you don't get to release more record and do what you love to do. it is not selfish to want everyone to listen to your music.
I think what Clayton meant in his quote is that it's very easy to be casual music fan now days. Sure, there are still passionate people out there but there are just as many people who only know radio hits, and that's all they listen to, strictly because they aren't interested enough in the beauty of music to embrace it and explore it with passion.
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Well then maybe everyone who posted is in love with U2?? I don't have a problem with that and I'm not hating on the band, I just used them as an example. And FYI I work for Target so that didn't bother me at all. Though I do think Backspacer is their worst album.
When I say "real musicians", I mean people who make music for themselves. What I mean by that is, if the only reason you make music is to please other people, then it isn't honest music. Two bands that immediately come to mind when I think of honest, real musicians are The Mars Volta and Fugazi.
When it all comes down to it, if a band truly worries about how much money their albums are making them, then they are making music for the wrong reasons.
It's pretty simple, really. I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to understand.
I don't have a problem with merch (as long as it's not ridiculously overpriced), and selling your cd's at shows isn't bad either.
I have no problem with it, and usually try to buy something. Just making the point that all care about sales.
Look I've seen bands like TMV and Fugazi and as You can see i've posted about Fugazi in my *Greatest Classic Live Video* thread. Fugazi at this time is no more, many bands don't survive with that kind of thinking (playing for themselves). It's a give and take world in the art of making music and sometimes they have to work within the system to survive. I've toured with bands on the road like Ziggy Marley and Michael Franti and Spearhead(Michael's my friend) and I've seen the difficulties these musicians face making music and life on the road. One of my favorite and 2nd favorite band RUSH make music like U2 that they're pleased with and let things fall where they may. To me they're STILL sucessful doing so. U2 missed out on the pop singles on this album but so what to me it's still a good album and at times more pleasing than Backspacer which will probably change when I see PJ live.
U2 is at a stage in their musical careers which they've earned, where they can be experimental and produce an album without pop hits which I dearly prefer. I loved the band untill they blew up after Joshua Tree but over the years I've learned to deal with that and so as many of their other fans.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
...am I cool now? :roll:
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
When the Joshua Tree tour reached America and the rest of the world an already eager audience went fucking nuts. This spelled the beginning of the end for U2. Having previously taken popularity in his stride, Bono instead began the ascent up his own asshole, turning from fiercely passionate and engaging frontman to a preachy annoyance in strange glasses with an incredibly stupid accent. How this affected the rest of the band is another matter, but it began the decline in popularity. Their shows evolved from captivating, emotionally charged melting pots to pretentious stage personas, the band swaggering in round in camp outfits and floating in giant lemons.
The focus shifted away from the music and onto Bono's 'saviour of the world' mission. Pop, although quite a good album, was not, quintessentially, U2. Ultimately this diversion led to a decline in popularity with the general public seeing Bono as an increasing annoyance - his rallying cry to give aid to poor countries not reaching past the gates of his Monaco mansion where he enjoys a tax-free existence.
I like many others think U2 imploded after The Joshua Tree. I remember seeing an interview with The Edge during the Zoo TV tour, when he said he believed that their “best work wasn’t behind them, it was in front of them”. It was, perhaps, a rather ironic precursor to what I believe has been their downfall, that during this interview giant TV screens and cars were being winched into place for the next chapter of that particular circus
The last two albums have been dull and mediocre. They've lost their edge (pardon the pun) and I think U2's downfall has been that they've progressively tried to cover over the widening cracks - their ever-increasingly extravagant shows being one example.
If they took a long, hard look at themselves they'd realise that the root cause of their disappointment starts with themselves not with the fans.