Capitalism would be letting these companies fail....not giving them money so government can control them, which is socialism.
Socialism is something far more and different than bailing out failing capitalist structures. A true socialist approach would actually be to let them fail and hope they dragged capitalism down with it. Socialism does not equate a slightly greater state control in the capitalist structure. Socialism is another system altogether.
So the bailout is to save capitalism from itself, and thus a status quo capitalism-friendly move. Obama is merely more of a left-capitalist than his predecessor, but definitely undoubtedly a firm capitalist, as is most of the political spectrum in most countries these days. Democrats are capitalists, as are republicans. Their only beef is what percentile of the system the government should be involved in.
I'm not saying socialism would be much better and whatnot, just clarifying what it really means. Obama isn't one, and he doesn't even have tendencies in that direction. No american president for decades have had so.
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He may not be an actual socialist but he has socliast tendencies.. all his spread the wealth talk and the government controlled healthcare plan. I didn't vote for him but I have been willing to give him a chance to see what he does. Of course I'm still waiting because he hasn't really done anything yet except win the Nobel prize for being popular.
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See... that's the paradox.
I have heard and read about Obama doing all sorts of things that are driving the country over the cliff... then, I hear about him doing nothing for the past 9 months.
As for Health Care. It is not a government takover of Health Care, it is a reform act to make it easier for americans to gain access to health care. The people who are most against it are the Health Care Insurers, who regulate themselves, and the people who support those insurance companies.
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Hail, Hail!!!
They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
way to think positive. doesn't the bill have to pass through congress first? this bill was just announced today and i have not heard anything about having to pay for 2 years before it take effect. if you do not want a public option then OPT the hell out of it.... its an OPTION, and it is an easy choice, if it will not help your family then keep what you already have...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't know... alot of things Bush did reminded me of a Orwellian totalitarian dictator... secret surveillance, secret prisons with no rights, eternal war for peace -- the ends always justified the means. But since he made it easier for corporations to run the country into the cellar, he is a "capitalist."
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
if you're worried about spending you should the know the US spends more on violence and military than the rest of the planet combined. more than all of europe, CHina Russia south america, more than all of them put together.
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
He may not be an actual socialist but he has socliast tendencies.. all his spread the wealth talk and the government controlled healthcare plan. I didn't vote for him but I have been willing to give him a chance to see what he does. Of course I'm still waiting because he hasn't really done anything yet except win the Nobel prize for being popular.
The kind of socialism and communism I believe in, and the kind that is talked about on both of those platforms, couldnt be more different than Obama. For one, communists and socialists dont continue wars that are blatantly for capitalist and imperialist purposes. Iraq and Afghanistan equals oil and an expanded u.s. presence in the world. Secondly, Obama is a capitalist. You really think he hates things like major corporations and big buisness? That would certainly be a surprise to me, seeing as the guy's campaigns for Senate, and President were both funded by the same big corporations that Bush supported and worked with. Communists and Socialists wouldnt do that.
Third, a socialist and communist as President, in this economy, would be giving much more money to average citizens, people losing their houses and lives, than he is doing.
The bailout obama supported wasnt a bailout of those average Joe's I just mentioned, Obama bailed out large corporations. Seems an awfully odd thing for a socialist to be doing.
Fourth a tenet of communism is the idea that modern wage labor is dehumanizing, exploitative and meaningless. I have never heard Obama state this, and I, in fact have only heard him talk about how "if you work hard, you can achieve great things" and all that nonsense. So in effect he is condoning the type of wage slavery I just talked about.
Lastly, the most basic part of being a communist is that the means of production are in the hands of the workers, not the owners. You heard Obama talk about this? Didnt think so.
I mean, are you really that high? You actually think obama would, as a true communist, give every single person the same amount of money and make it so no one made above a certain level? If thats the case, why hasnt he dont this yet? Whats he waiting for?
Capitalism would be letting these companies fail....not giving them money so government can control them, which is socialism.
Socialism is something far more and different than bailing out failing capitalist structures. A true socialist approach would actually be to let them fail and hope they dragged capitalism down with it. Socialism does not equate a slightly greater state control in the capitalist structure. Socialism is another system altogether.
So the bailout is to save capitalism from itself, and thus a status quo capitalism-friendly move. Obama is merely more of a left-capitalist than his predecessor, but definitely undoubtedly a firm capitalist, as is most of the political spectrum in most countries these days. Democrats are capitalists, as are republicans. Their only beef is what percentile of the system the government should be involved in.
I'm not saying socialism would be much better and whatnot, just clarifying what it really means. Obama isn't one, and he doesn't even have tendencies in that direction. No american president for decades have had so.
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Exactly. Obama is a capitalist. And it can be proven, by the fact that he wants to save the buisness's from failing. He wants to save a system that exploits and dehumanizes.
sorry, I was only kind of joking about Obama, though I'm sure if he had his way he might be... But I do agree with you about Bush
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President Obama bailed out the Wall Street houses and the largest employers in America (General Motors and Chrysler) in order to try to save the Capitalist system. President Obama is a Capitalist.
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socialism is the means of producing and distributing goods owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy
*the multi-billion dollar stimulus package
*obama's health plan
aren't at least these two things somewhat socialistic?
uh no
the stimulus plan was Bush's
the health plan does not call for government owned hospitals and the doctors, etc would not be government employees so not a socialistic plan
BUT...there is a true socialistic health care organization in the USA run by the VA which gets very good approval ratings from its users. Yes you wingnuts can dig up horror stories but look at the overall approval ratings....much higher than users of non VA medical care
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The older I get the more I am convinced that this country will not succeed.
Our two party political system is corrupt and vicious. Meaningful progress cannot be made because of corruption and $$$$. The current health care debate is a perfect example. The health care industry is spending millions of $$$$ spreading false information about the plans being proposed.
People that I considered relatively intelligent are spewing garbage they heard on Glenn Beck's show like it is gospel instead of researching for themselves.
We are fucked....we keep going deeper and deeper in debt....we have no manufacturing base, etc
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They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
if you're worried about spending you should the know the US spends more on violence and military than the rest of the planet combined. more than all of europe, CHina Russia south america, more than all of them put together.
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
right on.
what a surprise this has not been replied to. not.
They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
if you're worried about spending you should the know the US spends more on violence and military than the rest of the planet combined. more than all of europe, CHina Russia south america, more than all of them put together.
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
right on.
what a surprise this has not been replied to. not.
its tempting to ignore her too isn't it? its just too hard to let some of it slide sometimes.
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The older I get the more I am convinced that this country will not succeed.
Our two party political system is corrupt and vicious. Meaningful progress cannot be made because of corruption and $$$$. The current health care debate is a perfect example. The health care industry is spending millions of $$$$ spreading false information about the plans being proposed.
People that I considered relatively intelligent are spewing garbage they heard on Glenn Beck's show like it is gospel instead of researching for themselves.
We are fucked....we keep going deeper and deeper in debt....we have no manufacturing base, etc
...And we have these wonderful people in charge of government.
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The ethics committee is one of the most secretive panels in Congress, and its members and staff members sign oaths not to disclose any activities related to its past or present investigations. Watchdog groups have accused the committee of not actively pursuing inquiries; the newly disclosed document indicates the panel is conducting far more investigations than it had revealed.
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if you're worried about spending you should the know the US spends more on violence and military than the rest of the planet combined. more than all of europe, CHina Russia south america, more than all of them put together.
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
right on.
what a surprise this has not been replied to. not.
its tempting to ignore her too isn't it? its just too hard to let some of it slide sometimes.
the excessive use of ignorant points is making me tired, friend.
for me, there comes a time when you just have to accept you can't debate with certain people and move on.
They should be fixing what we have instead of creating another system which is bound to have it's own share of problems and cost us more money. From what I have heard we will be making payments on this health care plan for two years before it even goes into affect.
if you're worried about spending you should the know the US spends more on violence and military than the rest of the planet combined. more than all of europe, CHina Russia south america, more than all of them put together.
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
right on.
what a surprise this has not been replied to. not.
This is why Obama is called a socialist. http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-socialist-appointees-where-is.html
He surounds himself with Socialist.
I am not offended about anything including you trying to spin my statement into something that is not.......I don't want more money coming out of my pay check for Socialistic Health Care.
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”
- Vladimir Lenin
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
This is why Obama is called a socialist. http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-socialist-appointees-where-is.html
He surounds himself with Socialist.
I am not offended about anything including you trying to spin my statement into something that is not.......I don't want more money coming out of my pay check for Socialistic Health Care.
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”
- Vladimir Lenin
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
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ok now we ae getting somwhere. clearly an impartial and objective source......
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it is a blog site for god's sake. please try again. it is websites like this that makes me realize how misguided your line of thinking really is. you have no actual substance or objective info to back this up, and it is not from a reputable source. it is all just slanted and made up. i can make up a website that spreads outright lies and disinformation and sows fear, but i am lazy. there are enough people out there to do that themselves, and we already have fox news, so we don't need any moe from me..
the governemtn will not be deciding anything about your health care any more than your private insurance already does.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This is why Obama is called a socialist. http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-socialist-appointees-where-is.html
He surounds himself with Socialist.
I am not offended about anything including you trying to spin my statement into something that is not.......I don't want more money coming out of my pay check for Socialistic Health Care.
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”
- Vladimir Lenin
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
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I hate to be a stickler for minor details... such as the Truth... but, the Truth is... I've tried sourcing your quote, "“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”, which you attribute to Lenin... and all I get are repeated lines from websites such as FreeRepublic, TheRightSideOfLife and TheFoxNation... all sites I do not trust as being non-partisan. Surely, this quote MUST have been taken from one of Lenin's many writings... then, why isn't it sourced in any of those webpages?
Provide a link to the source of Lenin's quote to give your message some creedence... otherwise... it is just typical rhetoric that means nothing other than your passing of YET... another chain letter.
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Hail, Hail!!!
This is why Obama is called a socialist. http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-socialist-appointees-where-is.html
He surounds himself with Socialist.
I am not offended about anything including you trying to spin my statement into something that is not.......I don't want more money coming out of my pay check for Socialistic Health Care.
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”
- Vladimir Lenin
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
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I hate to be a stickler for minor details... such as the Truth... but, the Truth is... I've tried sourcing your quote, "“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”, which you attribute to Lenin... and all I get are repeated lines from websites such as FreeRepublic, TheRightSideOfLife and TheFoxNation... all sites I do not trust as being non-partisan. Surely, this quote MUST have been taken from one of Lenin's many writings... then, why isn't it sourced in any of those webpages?
Provide a link to the source of Lenin's quote to give your message some creedence... otherwise... it is just typical rhetoric that means nothing other than your passing of YET... another chain letter.
I have never posted a chain letter ....with that said You maybe right about the quote...I heard it on the radio and saw it again on the site I posted....did my own research and could not find if it was acurate, but I did find this which seems to make sense.......When Truman proposed a plan of national health insurance in his State of the Union address in 1948, the American medical Association (AMA) bitterly attacked it, warning that a "monstrosity of Bolshevik bureaucracy" would result. Faking a quotation from Lenin that "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State," an AMA pamphlet noted that the Communist party also championed "compulsory health insurance."
My Bad!
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
...I have never posted a chain letter ....with that said You maybe right about the quote...I heard it on the radio and saw it again on the site I posted....did my own research and could not find if it was acurate, but I did find this which seems to make sense.......When Truman proposed a plan of national health insurance in his State of the Union address in 1948, the American medical Association (AMA) bitterly attacked it, warning that a "monstrosity of Bolshevik bureaucracy" would result. Faking a quotation from Lenin that "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State," an AMA pamphlet noted that the Communist party also championed "compulsory health insurance."
My Bad!
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So, find out the truth. Don't take my word for it... and don't take the word of some nimrod on the telivision or radio on it... find it out yourself. People will LIE to you in order to gain your support. How much crap have you heard... Death Panels... Indoctrination speeches to little kids... "Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism."... how much of that turned out to be true?
And if you are afraid of 'Socialism'... try looking up the definition and finding out for yourself how it is working (or not working) in other places. Don't rely on others... find out yourself. Don't be a lacky dog for media shitheads. Be a true individual. Otherwise, you are nothing more than one of their followers.
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Hail, Hail!!!
first of all I think that a socialist president in the US is the best new we can hear, here in Europe, and in the rest of the world.
for me the biggest action that Obama is trying to do is the social security, it would be very good for american population if the social security comes to be the same like here, in Spain. Where everyone can have the same medical services, as this is something absolutely necesary for everyone.
I put you here a real example on how does it works here: one friend of mine, professional musician, is diabetic, and he does not have any legal salary. He works all in black, trying to survive as a guitar teacher. Even knowing that he does not pay a dime to the social security, he has access to all the medicaments, insuline bombs, electronic controllers, and accesories for his disease. We should know that he also is an spanish citizen, and of course he will not able to pay private medicine, but he will always have a good sanitary service for free, like the rest of the citizens down here.
It is a very socialist idea, maybe, but it is also good for the citizens, it is good for the real people. And you will be very lucky if you can reach to this situation. And I wish this can be possible.
Now the US seems a much more comfortable country, much more better than with Bush, the most horrible president I ever remember in my 29 years of living, specially when the most stupid man in the world (Jose Maria Aznar) tried to be "his friend".
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
The hell you are. You don't decide shit about your health. Your insurance company does, and they second you actually need them, they will throw you in the street and send you to bankruptcy court. That's what profit-motivated health care looks like.
I have never posted a chain letter ....with that said You maybe right about the quote...I heard it on the radio and saw it again on the site I posted....did my own research and could not find if it was acurate, but I did find this which seems to make sense.......When Truman proposed a plan of national health insurance in his State of the Union address in 1948, the American medical Association (AMA) bitterly attacked it, warning that a "monstrosity of Bolshevik bureaucracy" would result. Faking a quotation from Lenin that "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State," an AMA pamphlet noted that the Communist party also championed "compulsory health insurance."
My Bad!
we already have compulsory health insurance and the only alternatives proposed by the right involve MORE compulsory health insurance... they just want the money to go to 250 different private for-profit insurance companies than to the citizens of the usa.
also, even IF that quote is true (which seems doubtful), you're talking about the era of joe mccarthy when everyone all over the country was rounding up and arresting actors, doctors, and scientists for commie sympathies. it's no wonder nobody in the ama would dare support national health care in that climate. nobody was being particularly rational about anything back then.
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Socialism is something far more and different than bailing out failing capitalist structures. A true socialist approach would actually be to let them fail and hope they dragged capitalism down with it. Socialism does not equate a slightly greater state control in the capitalist structure. Socialism is another system altogether.
So the bailout is to save capitalism from itself, and thus a status quo capitalism-friendly move. Obama is merely more of a left-capitalist than his predecessor, but definitely undoubtedly a firm capitalist, as is most of the political spectrum in most countries these days. Democrats are capitalists, as are republicans. Their only beef is what percentile of the system the government should be involved in.
I'm not saying socialism would be much better and whatnot, just clarifying what it really means. Obama isn't one, and he doesn't even have tendencies in that direction. No american president for decades have had so.
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
See... that's the paradox.
I have heard and read about Obama doing all sorts of things that are driving the country over the cliff... then, I hear about him doing nothing for the past 9 months.
As for Health Care. It is not a government takover of Health Care, it is a reform act to make it easier for americans to gain access to health care. The people who are most against it are the Health Care Insurers, who regulate themselves, and the people who support those insurance companies.
Hail, Hail!!!
way to think positive. doesn't the bill have to pass through congress first? this bill was just announced today and i have not heard anything about having to pay for 2 years before it take effect. if you do not want a public option then OPT the hell out of it.... its an OPTION, and it is an easy choice, if it will not help your family then keep what you already have...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you're right. Bush is a socialist. Obama is closer to communist.
And Mary is crazy.
alrighty then :?
can you explain how obama is even remotely close to being a communist?
sorry, I was only kind of joking about Obama, though I'm sure if he had his way he might be... But I do agree with you about Bush
is it only when some of that money starts to benefit the majority in the united states do you take offense?
if its used to kill its ok, but when its used to save lives its socialism? how does that work?
The kind of socialism and communism I believe in, and the kind that is talked about on both of those platforms, couldnt be more different than Obama. For one, communists and socialists dont continue wars that are blatantly for capitalist and imperialist purposes. Iraq and Afghanistan equals oil and an expanded u.s. presence in the world. Secondly, Obama is a capitalist. You really think he hates things like major corporations and big buisness? That would certainly be a surprise to me, seeing as the guy's campaigns for Senate, and President were both funded by the same big corporations that Bush supported and worked with. Communists and Socialists wouldnt do that.
Third, a socialist and communist as President, in this economy, would be giving much more money to average citizens, people losing their houses and lives, than he is doing.
The bailout obama supported wasnt a bailout of those average Joe's I just mentioned, Obama bailed out large corporations. Seems an awfully odd thing for a socialist to be doing.
Fourth a tenet of communism is the idea that modern wage labor is dehumanizing, exploitative and meaningless. I have never heard Obama state this, and I, in fact have only heard him talk about how "if you work hard, you can achieve great things" and all that nonsense. So in effect he is condoning the type of wage slavery I just talked about.
Lastly, the most basic part of being a communist is that the means of production are in the hands of the workers, not the owners. You heard Obama talk about this? Didnt think so.
I mean, are you really that high? You actually think obama would, as a true communist, give every single person the same amount of money and make it so no one made above a certain level? If thats the case, why hasnt he dont this yet? Whats he waiting for?
Exactly. Obama is a capitalist. And it can be proven, by the fact that he wants to save the buisness's from failing. He wants to save a system that exploits and dehumanizes.
President Obama bailed out the Wall Street houses and the largest employers in America (General Motors and Chrysler) in order to try to save the Capitalist system. President Obama is a Capitalist.
Hail, Hail!!!
uh no
the stimulus plan was Bush's
the health plan does not call for government owned hospitals and the doctors, etc would not be government employees so not a socialistic plan
BUT...there is a true socialistic health care organization in the USA run by the VA which gets very good approval ratings from its users. Yes you wingnuts can dig up horror stories but look at the overall approval ratings....much higher than users of non VA medical care
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Our two party political system is corrupt and vicious. Meaningful progress cannot be made because of corruption and $$$$. The current health care debate is a perfect example. The health care industry is spending millions of $$$$ spreading false information about the plans being proposed.
People that I considered relatively intelligent are spewing garbage they heard on Glenn Beck's show like it is gospel instead of researching for themselves.
We are fucked....we keep going deeper and deeper in debt....we have no manufacturing base, etc
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
what a surprise this has not been replied to. not.
its tempting to ignore her too isn't it? its just too hard to let some of it slide sometimes.
...And we have these wonderful people in charge of government.
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for me, there comes a time when you just have to accept you can't debate with certain people and move on.
This is why Obama is called a socialist.
http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-socialist-appointees-where-is.html
He surounds himself with Socialist.
I am not offended about anything including you trying to spin my statement into something that is not.......I don't want more money coming out of my pay check for Socialistic Health Care.
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”
- Vladimir Lenin
I do not want the government deciding anything pertaining to my health. I am responsable for my own health and want to keep it that way. If there is a tax to help the needy with health care I am all for it as long as that is were it will be spend. But we know how well we can trust those in the White House (the greedy).
ok now we ae getting somwhere. clearly an impartial and objective source......
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it is a blog site for god's sake. please try again. it is websites like this that makes me realize how misguided your line of thinking really is. you have no actual substance or objective info to back this up, and it is not from a reputable source. it is all just slanted and made up. i can make up a website that spreads outright lies and disinformation and sows fear, but i am lazy. there are enough people out there to do that themselves, and we already have fox news, so we don't need any moe from me..
the governemtn will not be deciding anything about your health care any more than your private insurance already does.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I hate to be a stickler for minor details... such as the Truth... but, the Truth is... I've tried sourcing your quote, "“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”, which you attribute to Lenin... and all I get are repeated lines from websites such as FreeRepublic, TheRightSideOfLife and TheFoxNation... all sites I do not trust as being non-partisan. Surely, this quote MUST have been taken from one of Lenin's many writings... then, why isn't it sourced in any of those webpages?
Provide a link to the source of Lenin's quote to give your message some creedence... otherwise... it is just typical rhetoric that means nothing other than your passing of YET... another chain letter.
Hail, Hail!!!
I have never posted a chain letter ....with that said You maybe right about the quote...I heard it on the radio and saw it again on the site I posted....did my own research and could not find if it was acurate, but I did find this which seems to make sense.......When Truman proposed a plan of national health insurance in his State of the Union address in 1948, the American medical Association (AMA) bitterly attacked it, warning that a "monstrosity of Bolshevik bureaucracy" would result. Faking a quotation from Lenin that "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State," an AMA pamphlet noted that the Communist party also championed "compulsory health insurance."
My Bad!
So, find out the truth. Don't take my word for it... and don't take the word of some nimrod on the telivision or radio on it... find it out yourself. People will LIE to you in order to gain your support. How much crap have you heard... Death Panels... Indoctrination speeches to little kids... "Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism."... how much of that turned out to be true?
And if you are afraid of 'Socialism'... try looking up the definition and finding out for yourself how it is working (or not working) in other places. Don't rely on others... find out yourself. Don't be a lacky dog for media shitheads. Be a true individual. Otherwise, you are nothing more than one of their followers.
Hail, Hail!!!
for me the biggest action that Obama is trying to do is the social security, it would be very good for american population if the social security comes to be the same like here, in Spain. Where everyone can have the same medical services, as this is something absolutely necesary for everyone.
I put you here a real example on how does it works here: one friend of mine, professional musician, is diabetic, and he does not have any legal salary. He works all in black, trying to survive as a guitar teacher. Even knowing that he does not pay a dime to the social security, he has access to all the medicaments, insuline bombs, electronic controllers, and accesories for his disease. We should know that he also is an spanish citizen, and of course he will not able to pay private medicine, but he will always have a good sanitary service for free, like the rest of the citizens down here.
It is a very socialist idea, maybe, but it is also good for the citizens, it is good for the real people. And you will be very lucky if you can reach to this situation. And I wish this can be possible.
Now the US seems a much more comfortable country, much more better than with Bush, the most horrible president I ever remember in my 29 years of living, specially when the most stupid man in the world (Jose Maria Aznar) tried to be "his friend".
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The hell you are. You don't decide shit about your health. Your insurance company does, and they second you actually need them, they will throw you in the street and send you to bankruptcy court. That's what profit-motivated health care looks like.
we already have compulsory health insurance and the only alternatives proposed by the right involve MORE compulsory health insurance... they just want the money to go to 250 different private for-profit insurance companies than to the citizens of the usa.
also, even IF that quote is true (which seems doubtful), you're talking about the era of joe mccarthy when everyone all over the country was rounding up and arresting actors, doctors, and scientists for commie sympathies. it's no wonder nobody in the ama would dare support national health care in that climate. nobody was being particularly rational about anything back then.