Why is Obama called a socialist?
musicismylife78
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its a rare moment when I come to the defense of Obama. But this is one of them. I have never understood this line of thinking. I am a registered socialist and consider myself a radical communist anarchist. I know my political beliefs, and I know Obama’s. And I highly doubt he would even listen to my points of view. So that to me suggests we dont agree on issues, thus he isnt a socialist. I have studied communism and socialism extensively. And I can not understand why and how some can call Obama a socialist and suggest that the nation we live in is now socialist under his leadership. Hilary was accused of the same thing in the lead up to the election.
Anyways, I can understand maybe, it as an insult, but why has it stuck. People continue to suggest that he is a socialist. Anyone who has read anything about socialism can understand even in the most basic sense, that we are not living in a socialist state. The most obvious example of this is that the means of production are still in the hand of the owners, as opposed to the workers. Thats one. Another is that Obama is not, and has never given any suggestion that he even has one socialist bone in his body. If there ever was a time to be a socialist, to start taking from the rich and giving to the poor, to make it so everyone recieved all equal wages, it was now, in the midst of this Great Depression we are currently in. As far as I can tell Obama has never considered that line of thinking, nor has any american president. Obama’s actions during this Depression, are the actions of a capitalist. Secondly, he is a man of faith. And, obviously a person can be a socialist and be religious, but I would think there would have been some kind of major speech by him, talking about how socialism and religion can coexist. There obviously was no such speech.
It inconceiveable to me to rationalize the idea that Obama is a socialist. There is no evidence to suggest he is anything but a capitalist politician. The most obvious example of this is he hasnt espoused the philosophies of some of our great radical thinkers of our time, the Zinns, Chomskys, Moores, Jensens, and so on.
Obama if anything is a centrist, even a Democrat with right wing tendencies.
How can a lie so ridiculous continue without a serious challenging of it?
I think the most damaging part of it, is how socialist in this context isnt a positive thing. Its used as an insult.
Anyways, I can understand maybe, it as an insult, but why has it stuck. People continue to suggest that he is a socialist. Anyone who has read anything about socialism can understand even in the most basic sense, that we are not living in a socialist state. The most obvious example of this is that the means of production are still in the hand of the owners, as opposed to the workers. Thats one. Another is that Obama is not, and has never given any suggestion that he even has one socialist bone in his body. If there ever was a time to be a socialist, to start taking from the rich and giving to the poor, to make it so everyone recieved all equal wages, it was now, in the midst of this Great Depression we are currently in. As far as I can tell Obama has never considered that line of thinking, nor has any american president. Obama’s actions during this Depression, are the actions of a capitalist. Secondly, he is a man of faith. And, obviously a person can be a socialist and be religious, but I would think there would have been some kind of major speech by him, talking about how socialism and religion can coexist. There obviously was no such speech.
It inconceiveable to me to rationalize the idea that Obama is a socialist. There is no evidence to suggest he is anything but a capitalist politician. The most obvious example of this is he hasnt espoused the philosophies of some of our great radical thinkers of our time, the Zinns, Chomskys, Moores, Jensens, and so on.
Obama if anything is a centrist, even a Democrat with right wing tendencies.
How can a lie so ridiculous continue without a serious challenging of it?
I think the most damaging part of it, is how socialist in this context isnt a positive thing. Its used as an insult.
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“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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musicismylife78 wrote:its a rare moment when I come to the defense of Obama. But this is one of them. I have never understood this line of thinking. I am a registered socialist and consider myself a radical communist anarchist. I know my political beliefs, and I know Obama’s. And I highly doubt he would even listen to my points of view. So that to me suggests we dont agree on issues, thus he isnt a socialist. I have studied communism and socialism extensively. And I can not understand why and how some can call Obama a socialist and suggest that the nation we live in is now socialist under his leadership. Hilary was accused of the same thing in the lead up to the election.
Anyways, I can understand maybe, it as an insult, but why has it stuck. People continue to suggest that he is a socialist. Anyone who has read anything about socialism can understand even in the most basic sense, that we are not living in a socialist state. The most obvious example of this is that the means of production are still in the hand of the owners, as opposed to the workers. Thats one. Another is that Obama is not, and has never given any suggestion that he even has one socialist bone in his body. If there ever was a time to be a socialist, to start taking from the rich and giving to the poor, to make it so everyone recieved all equal wages, it was now, in the midst of this Great Depression we are currently in. As far as I can tell Obama has never considered that line of thinking, nor has any american president. Obama’s actions during this Depression, are the actions of a capitalist. Secondly, he is a man of faith. And, obviously a person can be a socialist and be religious, but I would think there would have been some kind of major speech by him, talking about how socialism and religion can coexist. There obviously was no such speech.
It inconceiveable to me to rationalize the idea that Obama is a socialist. There is no evidence to suggest he is anything but a capitalist politician. The most obvious example of this is he hasnt espoused the philosophies of some of our great radical thinkers of our time, the Zinns, Chomskys, Moores, Jensens, and so on.
Obama if anything is a centrist, even a Democrat with right wing tendencies.
How can a lie so ridiculous continue without a serious challenging of it?
I think the most damaging part of it, is how socialist in this context isnt a positive thing. Its used as an insult.
How is one a "radical communist anarchist"?
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You're obviously a jokester. And, you don't know what socialism really is, do you?aerial wrote:0 -
because people generally fear what they don't understand. they hear the words "social program" as in universal healthcare, and the word social, and they automatically throw the man on the other side of the fence. it's ridiculous, but it's overly dramatized by mainstream media. people also generally believe what they see on the news, be it CNN, Fox, whathaveyou, and if these people are watching Fox, then they believe he's the next freaking Stalin if Nancy says he is.
they also see what universal healthcare is like in Canada. I get free medical. Yet I have to wait in line hours upon hours to get treatment. Or at least that's the stereotype. Frankly, I've never had to wait for anything medical in my life (however, to be fair, I've also never had to to go the ER/OR-I know many people who have had to wait hours in the ER waiting room). The Republican right want Americans to believe they can have their cake and eat it too. The fact is, though, the poor cannot afford drive-thru healthcare, so if they want it at all they have to sit and wait for a table. The right are telling them they may die before they get seated, so it's better to be hundreds of thousands in debt than to be dead.
Canada's healthcare system is flawed, no question, but in all honesty, universal heathcare is the norm in industrialized nations, and is far superior to the US system.
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He's not even close to being a socialist!
It's just a scary word some people throw around to get people fired up...
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calling obama a socialist is an insult to socialists.0
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Q: Why is Obama called a socialist?
A: Because the people calling him a socialist are usually stupid people who haven't got a clue what 'socialism' means.
That is why they sometimes freely substiture the terms, 'Facist' and 'Communist' in their comical, moronic rants. I have even heard some people use all three terms to describe President Obama. That's how stupid some people are.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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I guess when you have no facts to prove your point, all you can really do is just resort to calling people names.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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spoken from someone that NEVER provides facts or links or anything to back up their position.....aerial wrote:I guess when you have no facts to prove your point, all you can really do is just resort to calling people names."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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to me the ironic thing is that the people calling obama a socialist appear to have no idea what they are talking about. calling names just to call names and incite fear it seems to me."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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stickfig13 wrote:musicismylife78 wrote:its a rare moment when I come to the defense of Obama. But this is one of them. I have never understood this line of thinking. I am a registered socialist and consider myself a radical communist anarchist. I know my political beliefs, and I know Obama’s. And I highly doubt he would even listen to my points of view. So that to me suggests we dont agree on issues, thus he isnt a socialist. I have studied communism and socialism extensively. And I can not understand why and how some can call Obama a socialist and suggest that the nation we live in is now socialist under his leadership. Hilary was accused of the same thing in the lead up to the election.
Anyways, I can understand maybe, it as an insult, but why has it stuck. People continue to suggest that he is a socialist. Anyone who has read anything about socialism can understand even in the most basic sense, that we are not living in a socialist state. The most obvious example of this is that the means of production are still in the hand of the owners, as opposed to the workers. Thats one. Another is that Obama is not, and has never given any suggestion that he even has one socialist bone in his body. If there ever was a time to be a socialist, to start taking from the rich and giving to the poor, to make it so everyone recieved all equal wages, it was now, in the midst of this Great Depression we are currently in. As far as I can tell Obama has never considered that line of thinking, nor has any american president. Obama’s actions during this Depression, are the actions of a capitalist. Secondly, he is a man of faith. And, obviously a person can be a socialist and be religious, but I would think there would have been some kind of major speech by him, talking about how socialism and religion can coexist. There obviously was no such speech.
It inconceiveable to me to rationalize the idea that Obama is a socialist. There is no evidence to suggest he is anything but a capitalist politician. The most obvious example of this is he hasnt espoused the philosophies of some of our great radical thinkers of our time, the Zinns, Chomskys, Moores, Jensens, and so on.
Obama if anything is a centrist, even a Democrat with right wing tendencies.
How can a lie so ridiculous continue without a serious challenging of it?
I think the most damaging part of it, is how socialist in this context isnt a positive thing. Its used as an insult.
How is one a "radical communist anarchist"?
Seems a little contradictory?
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Obama is called a socialist so that it can be implied he is a communist because the socialist name-callers know most Americans don't know a socialist from a screw driver, and that works in their favor.0
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JR8805 wrote:Obama is called a socialist so that it can be implied he is a communist because the socialist name-callers know most Americans don't know a socialist from a screw driver, and that works in their favor.
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stickfig13 wrote:
Anyone care to explain to me how a person becomes a radical communist anarchist?
Just go to wikipedia or something and type in "anarcho-syndicalism", and you'll see.
Generally anarchism comes in two strains, one aligning towards communism, and another towards libertarian free-capitalism. But the core is actually pretty similar.
So a radical (meaning extreme) communist anarchist, I would read as a devoted anarcho-syndicalist.
Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_syndicalism
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As for Obama being a "socialist" is mostly because he's not a wingnut republican, and that he actually can contemplate public solutions to public problems without having an allergic rash. In other words, pretty middle of the road with a slight left slant compared to recent american politics. (which are heavily right-slanted)
It's about as accurate as Bush being a fascist. And although I cared little for Bush and the fear-mongering his administration furthered, he was no fascist.
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:to me the ironic thing is that the people calling obama a socialist appear to have no idea what they are talking about. calling names just to call names and incite fear it seems to me.
Those calling him a socialist definitely do not know what socialism is. And only in the US could the word 'socialist' incite fear!
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Anything left of Pat Buchanan is considered "liberal" by the people who call Obama a socialist. :?Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0
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Because he is.So this life is sacrifice...
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...darthvedder81 wrote:Because he is.
Is that your complete answer?
I'm sorry... but, you'll have to explain how he is a socialist, here.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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