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  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    stickfig13 wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    How horrible! A band who thinks Gitmo, a place where people are placed, without access to lawyers and without their friends and family knowing how to contact them, and placed in a cell to rot until maybe...someday the courts decide to go through the merits of their case which in many cases has proved to be the simple fact they are a citizen of Afghanistan or Iraq. How horrible!

    Better they keep their mouths shut


    You're right...They're all good dudes. Being captured in an active warzone is just a case of mistaken identity.

    So keep them locked up because they live in a war-torn country? I guess collateral damage has no meaning to you - "Oh, they live in a war zone, they must be guilty!"

    Lock this man up, officer - we have no proof that he was the guy who shoplifted from the store, but we know he was inside when the shoplifting took place...
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • ccucf1996
    ccucf1996 Posts: 14
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Again..My original point was that Pearl Jam has looked/sounded better than they have in years without all the bullshit buzzkills rants that we got used in the last 8 years.

    For example, the LA 1 show in 2006. A rocking show was destroyed by a horrid performance by Tim Robbins.

    If they had not taken the show to grinding hault by bringing ole' Timmy out, it would have been an epic show start to finish.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTiwCez6Zs
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • ninjadave
    ninjadave Jtown PA Posts: 154
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.

    Amen brother. they hate us regardless. if we leave them alone they will still want us dead, are people so naive to not see that? they want all the jews dead why, religion. if you aren't like them, you are an enemy and frankly, since this country eats oil and other resources from the shithole of the world (middle east), then we have to deal with these gov't 's to maintain stability. ya, its about oil, do all the liberals walk to work? when oil is $200 a barrel and there are shortages, wreck the economy again, whatever...then what? no problem for the rich, but us lowlifes gotta deal with it...until their stock funds are shit. i guess ed takes a bike to his shows, doesn't use any gas or jet fuel to travel or maybe he buys carbon offsets but the fact of the matter is, we need the oil to run the economy and if its not flowing, we are screwed. period. obama knows this, they all do. that is why nothing has changed over there....blame whomever you want for why there aren't alternatives, but its the way it is right now......

    I love the band, love the music and i am a fairly new fan (since 03') but the fact that its politics as usual in this current whitehouse and nothing has changed on the war front, why no bashing of Obama for having no nuts to do what he promised? everyone who thought that getting obama in would end it all is delusional. i hate war, people dying, but its a fact. be glad you don't live in Isreal or the west bank, or Ireland when the bombs have been going off for decades....that is what we need here then people will wake up to the "real" world.
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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    SolarWorld wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Here we go again PJ fans!

    Just when the band started to have fun and put the dark "Bush" years behind them they jump on the "Close Gitmo" train.

    More power to them, but I can't say I'm thrilled.

    Shut up.


    How about taking your own advice? You couldn't be more of a jerk.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Why do musicians always feel the need to get involved in politics? It's all well and good to have an opinion on things but leave us out of it.
  • theboxerorthebag
    theboxerorthebag Posts: 1,774
    because politics is something everyone should be involved in.
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Why do musicians always feel the need to get involved in politics? It's all well and good to have an opinion on things but leave us out of it.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.
    sorry for your mom..All the planet was shocked that day..i was in Madrid 11-3...i see the horor.from the other hand i suppose now u know how someone feels in Kabul-Belgrad-Bagdad-Tehran
    War is bad...both sides feel the pain..the bullets provoke the same pain no matter what side u are,no matter color or Nationality u have..the thing is to stop..no kill more
    PEACE
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    theboxerorthebag wrote:
    because politics is something everyone should be involved in.
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Why do musicians always feel the need to get involved in politics? It's all well and good to have an opinion on things but leave us out of it.


    Really? These kind of politics?

    or politics the general public can make a difference caring about?....Schools, Health, Violence, Poverty

    I realize PJ has been involved in the above mentioned poltics too, but it seems they are taking on something that just makes them look like rich Hollywood do-gooders. It doesn't seem geniune to have Eddie Vedder rant about the civil liberties of accused "terrorist".
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    stickfig13 wrote:
    It doesn't seem geniune to have Eddie Vedder rant about the civil liberties of accused "terrorist".

    Please show me where anyone in the band did what you are saying.

    This is what the band is saying:

    "As Americans, many of us were alarmed and ashamed to learn what happened at Guantanamo in our names. For musicians, it’s been made even more personal given that music was used as a sort of soundtrack for the torture that went on there. While we don’t believe our music was used in this way, we lend our voices in support of the musicians, Generals and American citizens who are calling for the closure of Guantanamo with the hope that it signals to the world a renewed commitment to a humane America."

    - PJ

    For anyone who would like to sign the petition in support of the U.S. veterans, generals and others who want to close Gitmo, please visit this link: http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/
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  • G Force
    G Force Posts: 1,393
    Stickfig... YOU GOT SMOKED BY KAT!!! BOOO YAHHH.

    Still kinda like GITMO though. Not signing. We shouldn't torture... but capital punishment more often would be aight.
  • Washed
    Washed Posts: 736
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Here we go again PJ fans!

    Just when the band started to have fun and put the dark "Bush" years behind them they jump on the "Close Gitmo" train.

    More power to them, but I can't say I'm thrilled.

    I hear what you're saying, but it seems like some of the more extreme rants in recent years and possibly your personal feelings about albums like Riot Act might have clouded your judgment on PJ as activists overall.

    My first show was in '96 supporting the No Code album. There was tons of political rants -- get rid of Jesse Helms, register to vote...heck, they even brought Gloria Steinem out on stage for a speech.

    Before that, you had the band fighting the record label over which singles to release, refusing to make the ever popular MTV-style videos for practically every song, then the Ticketmaster fight...that pretty much covers Ten through No Code -- some might say those are..ahem, decent albums. And anyone seeing shows back them can confirm that they rocked the shit out of it.

    They've always been willing to stand up for what they believe, both through their music and at their live shows. It's part of the reason I am who I am today and a major reason I love them. So have a little faith...we'll all get through this together. :D
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  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Kat wrote:
    stickfig13 wrote:
    It doesn't seem geniune to have Eddie Vedder rant about the civil liberties of accused "terrorist".

    Please show me where anyone in the band did what you are saying.

    This is what the band is saying:

    "As Americans, many of us were alarmed and ashamed to learn what happened at Guantanamo in our names. For musicians, it’s been made even more personal given that music was used as a sort of soundtrack for the torture that went on there. While we don’t believe our music was used in this way, we lend our voices in support of the musicians, Generals and American citizens who are calling for the closure of Guantanamo with the hope that it signals to the world a renewed commitment to a humane America."

    - PJ

    For anyone who would like to sign the petition in support of the U.S. veterans, generals and others who want to close Gitmo, please visit this link: http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/

    I feel my statement was taken out the context of the conversation, but I'll let sleeping dogs lie because I love this board and don't wanna get canned :)
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  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,187
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.
    sorry for your mom..All the planet was shocked that day..i was in Madrid 11-3...i see the horor.from the other hand i suppose now u know how someone feels in Kabul-Belgrad-Bagdad-Tehran
    War is bad...both sides feel the pain..the bullets provoke the same pain no matter what side u are,no matter color or Nationality u have..the thing is to stop..no kill more
    PEACE



    Yep! Its like parents beating their kids up to prove that what they did was wrong.. It doesn't matter. Things like Gitmo will only further this charade. No matter how many people you torture or drown , it won't make anything right. It won't bring anyone back to life or make right any wrongs. What is torture to someone who is willing to die for their beliefs anyhow?
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.
    sorry for your mom..All the planet was shocked that day..i was in Madrid 11-3...i see the horor.from the other hand i suppose now u know how someone feels in Kabul-Belgrad-Bagdad-Tehran
    War is bad...both sides feel the pain..the bullets provoke the same pain no matter what side u are,no matter color or Nationality u have..the thing is to stop..no kill more
    PEACE



    Yep! Its like parents beating their kids up to prove that what they did was wrong.. It doesn't matter. Things like Gitmo will only further this charade. No matter how many people you torture or drown , it won't make anything right. It won't bring anyone back to life or make right any wrongs. What is torture to someone who is willing to die for their beliefs anyhow?

    I don't think the idea is to torture for punishment as much as it is for gathering intelligence. Whether or not useful information is gained is the debate.
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  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,187
    stickfig13 wrote:

    I don't think the idea is to torture for punishment as much as it is for gathering intelligence. Whether or not useful information is gained is the debate.

    No not at all.. i was referring to the poster who said their family member was killed due to "terrorism", so punishment was their stand point on the subject or revenge rather.
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    I sort of understand people who resent celebs for throwing their opinions in our faces.
    But I feel it’s a certain privilege they have. We live in a country with freedom of speech. Celebs just have access to a higher platform. It’s just the way it is. As mentioned before some celebs don’t take advantage of the platform. Rather it be they don’t care, don’t want to alienate fans, or they have no clue what’s going on anyway, some celebs don’t speak out.

    I don’t see this as a ‘crusade’.
    That being said I do believe there’s a right way and a wrong way to stand up for what you believe in, but that goes for everybody, not just celebs.
    I don’t think pearl jam is in our face about it as they could be. Some of you are exaggerating.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • ccucf1996
    ccucf1996 Posts: 14
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    Kill the unborn but don't dare waterboard a terrorist!!! How would you feel if your mom was in the trade center when one of these poor mistreated POW's took her life???? Mine was and she's gone b/c of these useless things. Fucking drown them all.
    sorry for your mom..All the planet was shocked that day..i was in Madrid 11-3...i see the horor.from the other hand i suppose now u know how someone feels in Kabul-Belgrad-Bagdad-Tehran
    War is bad...both sides feel the pain..the bullets provoke the same pain no matter what side u are,no matter color or Nationality u have..the thing is to stop..no kill more
    PEACE



    Yep! Its like parents beating their kids up to prove that what they did was wrong.. It doesn't matter. Things like Gitmo will only further this charade. No matter how many people you torture or drown , it won't make anything right. It won't bring anyone back to life or make right any wrongs. What is torture to someone who is willing to die for their beliefs anyhow?

    No it does fucking matter. What has happen here since we took action? It won't bring back what we've lost, but it does deter and maybe you won't lose your mother to these bastards. I'd love to see your response if you were in my famlies shoes. You would want them gone, trust me. if they are willing to die then they must be doing something wrong. i'd buy a ticket to watch them get waterboard, beat, thrown darts at.

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