or as I talked about before. The tv. Or computer. It makes sense that a dog or cat would think these were real things. But, do you think they actually in fact do feel they are real living breathing things? The tv talks just like we do. The tv must look like a really bizaare shaped human, but do you think dogs think these things are living things?
very interesting responses. I was amazed when I read about the birds that hold funerals and mourn. very interesting.
Still, havent you all had dogs that barked at the vaccum cleaner? Our old dog would run and hide whenever we merely wheeled the vaccum cleaner out. He would bark even if it wasnt turned on. And my parents have talked about coming home, and seeing the dog sleeping on the floor, his paws wrapped around one of those stuffed animal chew toys.
they bark b/c it's loud, moving...quite distressing.
have you not ever as a child slept with a stuffed toy?
did you think it was alive?
cmon now, really....it's almost insulting to think that a dog cannot distinguish between something alive, or not.
my little pug barks incesssantly at the tv, most especially at dogs and horses, and always at the moose in the opening sequence of northern exposure. he also barks at a lot of noise and/or movement on the screen, period. i do not believe he thinks any of it is 'alive'....he probably doesn't quite understand what it is, but i am sure he knows it is not living.
read up on some dog psych, it's endlessly fascinating. really.
i read a LOT of books of the sort for a problem dog we had in our past and also merely b/c i find it so interesting.
or as I talked about before. The tv. Or computer. It makes sense that a dog or cat would think these were real things. But, do you think they actually in fact do feel they are real living breathing things? The tv talks just like we do. The tv must look like a really bizaare shaped human, but do you think dogs think these things are living things?
when i was a kid there was a show on tv, i think it was riptide? anyway, in the opening there was a part of them running through water and we had a golden labrador retriever and every time that part came on he'd run to the tv and start licking at the water!
i suppose their response is 'what the fuck is that!?!?' the way they turn their heads sideways and look at speakers or something making noise. i gave a dog a squeaky toy once and the way he jumped when it made it's noise and the way he tapped it with his paw and would jump back real quick made me think he at least considered it was alive....then maybe after time with it not moving they think otherwise
with things like a vacuum cleaner i think it's more of a they have really good hearing and that loud noise annoys/scares them
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
ok they just do all this stuff just for us- they love to amuse the humans!
They are very smart
we all know dog is God spelled backwards and all its just that simple
PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Oscar the cat seems to have an uncanny knack for predicting when nursing home patients are going to die, by curling up next to them during their final hours.
When I am ill in bed all my five cats come and curl up on the bed with me. Thank god I don't have one named Oscar!
The tv must look like a really bizaare shaped human, but do you think dogs think these things are living things?
No. Inanimate objects give off no scent. My opinion is that scent is key for animals to identify other animals (humans included). There are chemical reactions human noses cannot pick up (such as pheromone release) which are second nature for dogs in determining things such as aggression or fear in other animals. That, in conjunction with visual information and audible information creates a more accurate picture for a dog to interpret.
A moving object without a scent is just visual noise.
"A lot more people are capable of being big out there that just don't give themselves a chance." -Stone Gossard
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Do pets have any sense of the living versus nonliving things of the world?
All I know is if my twin's dogs look alert all of a sudden then I wonder what's around.
This is very good. If I'm scared or wonder about a noise, and the dogs don't move and continue to lounge, then I know I'm ok. I would love to have a little house with dogs, so that they can notify me of what's what i.e., big bad storms.
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Do pets have any sense of the living versus nonliving things of the world?
All I know is if my twin's dogs look alert, and I don't know if it's because they can sense something either far away or from a different plane that I can't see.
This is very good. If I'm scared or wonder about a noise, and the dogs don't move and continue to lounge, then I know I'm ok. I would love to have a little house with dogs, so that they can notify me of what's what i.e., big bad storms.
I agree that pets have a good sense of danger that's useful for us. Someone once tried to break into my house when I was home and I called 911. I told them the guy was trying to get in the front window but I thought he had moved to the side window in the spare room, but I wasn't sure because the door to that room was closed. The 911 operator asked if I had any pets in the house and, if so, to describe to her what they were doing. They were freaked out and staring toward the spare bedroom. I thought it was intersting that the 911 operator would use my pets as an indication of whether I was still in danger. Ever since then, I always look for their reaction when I get freaked out by some little noise.
I always was under the impression that animals do not understand there is such a thing as death. That is one of the things that separates humans as being an "intelligent" creatures. That and our ability to pass knowledge down through the generations.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I always was under the impression that animals do not understand there is such a thing as death. That is one of the things that separates humans as being an "intelligent" creatures. That and our ability to pass knowledge down through the generations.
... and thumbs and tool making/use (although we do share these traits with some primates).
Actually, depending on the animal, they are quite keenly aware of death and loss. Do a search for "elephants mourn death." You'll find stories like this one from 2005:http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1497634.htm (excerpt below)
Elephants mourn their dead
Rossella Lorenzi
Discovery News
Friday, 4 November 2005
Elephants pay homage to the bones of their dead, gently touching the skulls and tusks with their trunks and feet, according to the first systematic study of elephant empathy for the dead.
"A lot more people are capable of being big out there that just don't give themselves a chance." -Stone Gossard
I always was under the impression that animals do not understand there is such a thing as death. That is one of the things that separates humans as being an "intelligent" creatures. That and our ability to pass knowledge down through the generations.
... and thumbs and tool making/use (although we do share these traits with some primates).
Actually, depending on the animal, they are quite keenly aware of death and loss. Do a search for "elephants mourn death." You'll find stories like this one from 2005:http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1497634.htm (excerpt below)
Elephants mourn their dead
Rossella Lorenzi
Discovery News
Friday, 4 November 2005
Elephants pay homage to the bones of their dead, gently touching the skulls and tusks with their trunks and feet, according to the first systematic study of elephant empathy for the dead.
funny, that is EXACTLY what i thought of reading the post above yours.
also, animals do pass on knowledge in regards to places to travel/visit for food, routes to take for different seasons, etc. also, in rgeards to death, i think we all know a few stories about pets grieving over other pets and/or their owner's deaths. animals are well aware that death exists, and when something is alive/dead.
animals rely on more senses than we do. their sense of smell is keener. their hearing is keener. their sense of their surroundings is more developed than ours. put a dog and a man in the wild and i can tell you that itll be the dog that finds the dead carcass first.
I get the sense that you prefer animals to humans. I may be wrong. Sort of like we should be apologetic for not being born as dogs or something? I'm not giving you shit. I know a lot of people are very sensitive to the feelings of animals. There's a balance.
That being said, a man probably wouldn't eat the dead carcass because we're smart enough to know that it could ruin our digestive tract if the meat was spoiled. Instead, we'd kill and eat the dog
animals rely on more senses than we do. their sense of smell is keener. their hearing is keener. their sense of their surroundings is more developed than ours. put a dog and a man in the wild and i can tell you that itll be the dog that finds the dead carcass first.
I get the sense that you prefer animals to humans. I may be wrong. Sort of like we should be apologetic for not being born as dogs or something? I'm not giving you shit. I know a lot of people are very sensitive to the feelings of animals. There's a balance.
That being said, a man probably wouldn't eat the dead carcass because we're smart enough to know that it could ruin our digestive tract if the meat was spoiled. Instead, we'd kill and eat the dog
Man > Dog
if the man has a weapon and is fast enough...sure.
otherwise, my $$$ is on the dog.
also, do note...the poster above didn't said the dog would EAT said dead carcass, just that the dog would FIND it first, due to it's more highly developed senses. just sayin'.
if the man has a weapon and is fast enough...sure.
otherwise, my $$$ is on the dog.
also, do note...the poster above didn't said the dog would EAT said dead carcass, just that the dog would FIND it first, due to it's more highly developed senses. just sayin'.
I think some level of "dog superiority" may have been implied. Again, I mentioned that I could have been wrong. But that's what I was addressing.
But, I do disagree with your post. Human brain would win easily if it came down to survival. History sort of proves that. It's obvious you're an animal lover and that's fine. Many are. But, it's almost like I'm expected to stand in awe of something that "smells stuff" better than I do. I'll admit...some of the things that I've learned about whales or lions (for example) is pretty cool, but at the end of the day, they're still creatures that shit all over creation and lack basic internet skills.
Somewhere along the way, I forgot what the topic of the thread was.
if the man has a weapon and is fast enough...sure.
otherwise, my $$$ is on the dog.
also, do note...the poster above didn't said the dog would EAT said dead carcass, just that the dog would FIND it first, due to it's more highly developed senses. just sayin'.
I think some level of "dog superiority" may have been implied. Again, I mentioned that I could have been wrong. But that's what I was addressing.
But, I do disagree with your post. Human brain would win easily if it came down to survival. History sort of proves that. It's obvious you're an animal lover and that's fine. Many are. But, it's almost like I'm expected to stand in awe of something that "smells stuff" better than I do. I'll admit...some of the things that I've learned about whales or lions (for example) is pretty cool, but at the end of the day, they're still creatures that shit all over creation and lack basic internet skills.
i would say it was inferred, by you...;) you're not "expected" to think or believe...anything. and i know what you were addressing, and i simply disagreed with it. fair?
i also am not one for saying ANY creature is "better" than another, b/c i just don't think like that, tho i know many do...and none of this has anything to do with me being an animal lover, tho i certainly am, and everything to do with my perspective on life in general, for every living thing on the planet. and i still disagree with you, but no...don't feel like 'arguing' it either. survival, i think many an animal would do better than the human animal, but i have no problem with someone not thinking the same. just clarifying my point.
carry on.
anyhoo...back on topic, a resounding HELL YES, i fully believe pets are fully capable/having sense of living or dead.
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they bark b/c it's loud, moving...quite distressing.
have you not ever as a child slept with a stuffed toy?
did you think it was alive?
cmon now, really....it's almost insulting to think that a dog cannot distinguish between something alive, or not.
my little pug barks incesssantly at the tv, most especially at dogs and horses, and always at the moose in the opening sequence of northern exposure. he also barks at a lot of noise and/or movement on the screen, period. i do not believe he thinks any of it is 'alive'....he probably doesn't quite understand what it is, but i am sure he knows it is not living.
read up on some dog psych, it's endlessly fascinating. really.
i read a LOT of books of the sort for a problem dog we had in our past and also merely b/c i find it so interesting.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
when i was a kid there was a show on tv, i think it was riptide? anyway, in the opening there was a part of them running through water and we had a golden labrador retriever and every time that part came on he'd run to the tv and start licking at the water!
i suppose their response is 'what the fuck is that!?!?' the way they turn their heads sideways and look at speakers or something making noise. i gave a dog a squeaky toy once and the way he jumped when it made it's noise and the way he tapped it with his paw and would jump back real quick made me think he at least considered it was alive....then maybe after time with it not moving they think otherwise
with things like a vacuum cleaner i think it's more of a they have really good hearing and that loud noise annoys/scares them
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
They are very smart
we all know dog is God spelled backwards and all its just that simple
:thumbup:
well done.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
When I am ill in bed all my five cats come and curl up on the bed with me. Thank god I don't have one named Oscar!
No. Inanimate objects give off no scent. My opinion is that scent is key for animals to identify other animals (humans included). There are chemical reactions human noses cannot pick up (such as pheromone release) which are second nature for dogs in determining things such as aggression or fear in other animals. That, in conjunction with visual information and audible information creates a more accurate picture for a dog to interpret.
A moving object without a scent is just visual noise.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
This is very good. If I'm scared or wonder about a noise, and the dogs don't move and continue to lounge, then I know I'm ok. I would love to have a little house with dogs, so that they can notify me of what's what i.e., big bad storms.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
I agree that pets have a good sense of danger that's useful for us. Someone once tried to break into my house when I was home and I called 911. I told them the guy was trying to get in the front window but I thought he had moved to the side window in the spare room, but I wasn't sure because the door to that room was closed. The 911 operator asked if I had any pets in the house and, if so, to describe to her what they were doing. They were freaked out and staring toward the spare bedroom. I thought it was intersting that the 911 operator would use my pets as an indication of whether I was still in danger. Ever since then, I always look for their reaction when I get freaked out by some little noise.
... and thumbs and tool making/use (although we do share these traits with some primates).
Actually, depending on the animal, they are quite keenly aware of death and loss. Do a search for "elephants mourn death." You'll find stories like this one from 2005:http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1497634.htm (excerpt below)
Elephants mourn their dead
Rossella Lorenzi
Discovery News
Friday, 4 November 2005
Elephants pay homage to the bones of their dead, gently touching the skulls and tusks with their trunks and feet, according to the first systematic study of elephant empathy for the dead.
funny, that is EXACTLY what i thought of reading the post above yours.
also, animals do pass on knowledge in regards to places to travel/visit for food, routes to take for different seasons, etc. also, in rgeards to death, i think we all know a few stories about pets grieving over other pets and/or their owner's deaths. animals are well aware that death exists, and when something is alive/dead.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I get the sense that you prefer animals to humans. I may be wrong. Sort of like we should be apologetic for not being born as dogs or something? I'm not giving you shit. I know a lot of people are very sensitive to the feelings of animals. There's a balance.
That being said, a man probably wouldn't eat the dead carcass because we're smart enough to know that it could ruin our digestive tract if the meat was spoiled. Instead, we'd kill and eat the dog
Man > Dog
if the man has a weapon and is fast enough...sure.
otherwise, my $$$ is on the dog.
also, do note...the poster above didn't said the dog would EAT said dead carcass, just that the dog would FIND it first, due to it's more highly developed senses. just sayin'.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I think some level of "dog superiority" may have been implied. Again, I mentioned that I could have been wrong. But that's what I was addressing.
But, I do disagree with your post. Human brain would win easily if it came down to survival. History sort of proves that. It's obvious you're an animal lover and that's fine. Many are. But, it's almost like I'm expected to stand in awe of something that "smells stuff" better than I do. I'll admit...some of the things that I've learned about whales or lions (for example) is pretty cool, but at the end of the day, they're still creatures that shit all over creation and lack basic internet skills.
Somewhere along the way, I forgot what the topic of the thread was.
i would say it was inferred, by you...;) you're not "expected" to think or believe...anything. and i know what you were addressing, and i simply disagreed with it. fair?
i also am not one for saying ANY creature is "better" than another, b/c i just don't think like that, tho i know many do...and none of this has anything to do with me being an animal lover, tho i certainly am, and everything to do with my perspective on life in general, for every living thing on the planet. and i still disagree with you, but no...don't feel like 'arguing' it either. survival, i think many an animal would do better than the human animal, but i have no problem with someone not thinking the same. just clarifying my point.
carry on.
anyhoo...back on topic, a resounding HELL YES, i fully believe pets are fully capable/having sense of living or dead.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'm sad you feel ashamed that you weren't born a German Shepard.
Take care, I mean, Woof Woof.