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BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,535
edited October 2009 in The Porch
Are these lyrics actually taken from a real life discussion or from some movie or show? Vitalogy has always been my favorite album, but after listening to it the other day, and having children of my own, i can't imagine someone taking discussion of a mentally ill patient and making a song out of it for entertainment. Same with Eddie...
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    dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Are these lyrics actually taken from a real life discussion or from some movie or show? Vitalogy has always been my favorite album, but after listening to it the other day, and having children of my own, i can't imagine someone taking discussion of a mentally ill patient and making a song out of it for entertainment. Same with Eddie...

    I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it was an interview between a Dr. and patient...? :?
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,748
    dcfaithful wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Are these lyrics actually taken from a real life discussion or from some movie or show? Vitalogy has always been my favorite album, but after listening to it the other day, and having children of my own, i can't imagine someone taking discussion of a mentally ill patient and making a song out of it for entertainment. Same with Eddie...

    I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it was an interview between a Dr. and patient...? :?

    yeah it's my understanding that it's taken from an educational video about schizophrenia that came out in the 80's.
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    Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    from the Vitalogy wikipedia page:

    while "Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me" was created using looped recordings of real patients from a psychiatric hospital.[19]
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    thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Are these lyrics actually taken from a real life discussion or from some movie or show? Vitalogy has always been my favorite album, but after listening to it the other day, and having children of my own, i can't imagine someone taking discussion of a mentally ill patient and making a song out of it for entertainment. Same with Eddie...

    interesting perspective, I never thought about it like that. While it wasn't used to exploit or make fun of the patient, I'd have to agree that its probably not the most PC thing to do.

    That being said, I'm not PC, and it doesn't actually bother me. If it was someone from my family though... I wouldn't be as cool with it.
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    ManOfTheHour75ManOfTheHour75 Posts: 336
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
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    thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.

    I used to agree, but I love the music in the background. Its so haunting.
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    VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,921
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.

    Wow, that's horribly negative. I couldn't agree with you more. Being the dedicated PJ fan, I gave it several listens over a considerable span of time. To see if there was anything I hadn't seen before. To this day, I consider Vitalogy ending in Immortality. I fail to recognise Stopid Mop's existence.
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    aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    The creepiest track in all of PJ's catalog.
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    onejourney...onejourney... Posts: 248
    It's a video from the NOVA collection called "Matter of Mind". Very interesting video if you ever have the chance to watch it. But its pretty hard to find.

    I don't look at the song as exploiting these people for entertainment purposes, At all...It's actually not an entertaining song.If it were that would be a different story. For example, if it were followed with a few "yeah yeah yeah's" and a catchy melody. The song, much like the album, has a theme of internal struggle and dealings of mental health, much like the book Vitalogy. I think it is actually a fitting song for the record and after reading pieces of the Vitalogy book itself...it all just seems to fit together.

    But that's my opinion. :)
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,748
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Wow, that's horribly negative. I couldn't agree with you more. Being the dedicated PJ fan, I gave it several listens over a considerable span of time. To see if there was anything I hadn't seen before. To this day, I consider Vitalogy ending in Immortality. I fail to recognise Stopid Mop's existence.

    You guys don't get it. It's not something you listen to every time you play Vitalogy....the same way you don't listen to Revolution #9 every time you play The White Album. And it's not necessarily something you listen to several times over a considerable span of time to decide if it's "good" or "bad" because you can't even classify it with any other Pearl Jam track. But the fact that you can't classify it with any other Pearl Jam track is part of it's merit.

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    ManOfTheHour75ManOfTheHour75 Posts: 336
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Wow, that's horribly negative. I couldn't agree with you more. Being the dedicated PJ fan, I gave it several listens over a considerable span of time. To see if there was anything I hadn't seen before. To this day, I consider Vitalogy ending in Immortality. I fail to recognise Stopid Mop's existence.

    You guys don't get it. It's not something you listen to every time you play Vitalogy....the same way you don't listen to Revolution #9 every time you play The White Album. And it's not necessarily something you listen to several times over a considerable span of time to decide if it's "good" or "bad" because you can't even classify it with any other Pearl Jam track. But the fact that you can't classify it with any other Pearl Jam track is part of it's merit.

    "She prides herself on her cleaning habits"

    I respect what your saying, i just think it's shit and it kinda makes my ears bleed.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,748
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
    Veddernarian wrote:
    Wow, that's horribly negative. I couldn't agree with you more. Being the dedicated PJ fan, I gave it several listens over a considerable span of time. To see if there was anything I hadn't seen before. To this day, I consider Vitalogy ending in Immortality. I fail to recognise Stopid Mop's existence.

    You guys don't get it. It's not something you listen to every time you play Vitalogy....the same way you don't listen to Revolution #9 every time you play The White Album. And it's not necessarily something you listen to several times over a considerable span of time to decide if it's "good" or "bad" because you can't even classify it with any other Pearl Jam track. But the fact that you can't classify it with any other Pearl Jam track is part of it's merit.

    "She prides herself on her cleaning habits"

    I respect what your saying, i just think it's shit and it kinda makes my ears bleed.

    ok well I understand that
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    yield2meyield2me Posts: 1,291
    I have a hard time listening to it but at the same time I think it's a perfect way to end Vitalogy. Think about the theme of the album and the artwork and just the entire package that is that album....it fits
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    BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,535
    I understand that its a perfect ending and i think that also, but being a parent now, i don't understand the point of using a real discussion between a doctor and a mental patient. It seems to go a little to far, there are plenty of other ways to be creative and have a fitting ending then what they did. How would eddie feel if one of his daughters was in the same position and a band used that as thier musical creativity.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,991
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I understand that its a perfect ending and i think that also, but being a parent now, i don't understand the point of using a real discussion between a doctor and a mental patient. It seems to go a little to far, there are plenty of other ways to be creative and have a fitting ending then what they did. How would eddie feel if one of his daughters was in the same position and a band used that as thier musical creativity.

    uh...how would it be possible to determine whose voices these are? It's not like they broke into a doctor's office and stole audiotapes....this is obviously stock tape of some sort that they were able to use without crediting
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    halszka123halszka123 Posts: 1,109
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
    I agree 100%.
    Especially in the part of being sick listening this song.

    And I would call Their worst song but before album version of Speed of Sound...
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    Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    You think Speed of sound is worse than this drivel? :o :?
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    dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    onejourney... wrote:
    It's a video from the NOVA collection called "Matter of Mind". Very interesting video if you ever have the chance to watch it. But its pretty hard to find.

    I don't look at the song as exploiting these people for entertainment purposes, At all...It's actually not an entertaining song.If it were that would be a different story. For example, if it were followed with a few "yeah yeah yeah's" and a catchy melody. The song, much like the album, has a theme of internal struggle and dealings of mental health, much like the book Vitalogy. I think it is actually a fitting song for the record and after reading pieces of the Vitalogy book itself...it all just seems to fit together.

    But that's my opinion. :)

    I actually have a 1913 edition of Vitalogy...fucking awesome. I've read some pieces of it and I'd have to agree with your statement...the dialogue in the song definitely goe well with the albums concept...
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    dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    halszka123 wrote:
    No Ones Rival wrote:
    The best thing I can do is to never, ever listen to it. I'm pretty sure if I actually sat down and listened to that garbage I would end up in a mental hospital. What a waste of space on an incredible album! The worst thing that Pearl Jam has ever done a thousand times over.
    I agree 100%.
    Especially in the part of being sick listening this song.

    And I would call Their worst song but before album version of Speed of Sound...

    The demo version of Speed of Sound should've made the album.
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    halszka123halszka123 Posts: 1,109
    DS114969 wrote:
    You think Speed of sound is worse than this drivel? :o :?
    Unfortunately - yes.
    Maybe one day I will change my mind, but now I know - while Foxymop sounds unique and bring some emotions (depressing me), album version of Speed of sound is just shit -good song turned to big crap
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    ManOfTheHour75ManOfTheHour75 Posts: 336
    DS114969 wrote:
    You think Speed of sound is worse than this drivel? :o :?
    :lol:
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    wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,409
    Hmmm... i wonder how many times this discussion has been recycled over the years.

    seems like about every week, some variation on this thread pops up and all the same things get said over & over again.
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    halszka123halszka123 Posts: 1,109
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Hmmm... i wonder how many times this discussion has been recycled over the years.

    seems like about every week, some variation on this thread pops up and all the same things get said over & over again.
    just to remember
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    BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,535
    I was just asking about where the actual dialogue came from, and how from a parents point of view seems rather stupid. If its from some video thats cool, but if they found some tape somewhere with this on it, then thats pretty sad. I noticed there were no credits thats why i ask
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    onejourney...onejourney... Posts: 248
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I was just asking about where the actual dialogue came from, and how from a parents point of view seems rather stupid. If its from some video thats cool, but if they found some tape somewhere with this on it, then thats pretty sad. I noticed there were no credits thats why i ask


    If you read my earlier post, its form a Video in the NOVA series called "Matter of Mind".
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    prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    Vitalogy is worthless without this track. Actually it's the only track I listen to on this album.
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    idrapridrapr Posts: 66
    I have owned Vitalogy since it was released and have only listened to that song once. I was so disturbing to me that I go put of my way to avoid it. Aside from that it is a brilliant album.
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    Vicky_ArgVicky_Arg Posts: 64
    I dont think is fair to speak like this. Believe me If I listed the radio today i will need an "internation period" ;)
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    pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    Considering where the state of the band was....where eddie was as an idividual struggling with stardom..and everything surrounding the band at that given time and place...If you were to read between the lines a bit, you would see it is the perfect ending to the record. I consider it one of the biggest metaphors in the bands exsitence...:-)
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    -decodified--decodified- mobile device Posts: 2,686
    onejourney... wrote:
    It's a video from the NOVA collection called "Matter of Mind". Very interesting video if you ever have the chance to watch it. But its pretty hard to find.

    I don't look at the song as exploiting these people for entertainment purposes, At all...It's actually not an entertaining song.If it were that would be a different story. For example, if it were followed with a few "yeah yeah yeah's" and a catchy melody. The song, much like the album, has a theme of internal struggle and dealings of mental health, much like the book Vitalogy. I think it is actually a fitting song for the record and after reading pieces of the Vitalogy book itself...it all just seems to fit together.

    But that's my opinion. :)

    where i can find that thing... any website???

    ...and regarding to the post, I used to be afraid of that song but now I enjoy the track, it's weird but the music behind is awesome... I would love to know what they say about that track, what they were thinking... I am sure there is a lot behind the song... and YES fit perfectly into the Vitalogy Concept
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