Employment

cincybearcat

Commy wrote:

know1 wrote:

For all those who say they have been or were unemployed for a long period of time, have you considered at least working part-time or full-time at a lesser trade like delivering pizzas or working at Wal-Mart.

I probably wouldn't be unemployed for more than about 3 weeks before I'd be doing something else that brings in money.

i would rather be homeless then work at wallmart.

I bet if you had a kid, and your kid didn't have food...you'd change your tune.

Commy

cincybearcat wrote:

Commy wrote:

know1 wrote:

For all those who say they have been or were unemployed for a long period of time, have you considered at least working part-time or full-time at a lesser trade like delivering pizzas or working at Wal-Mart.

I probably wouldn't be unemployed for more than about 3 weeks before I'd be doing something else that brings in money.

i would rather be homeless then work at wallmart.

I bet if you had a kid, and your kid didn't have food...you'd change your tune.

not an issue for me.

so-much-clearer

I'm on my 10th month of unemployment. I graduated from college in '08, had a temp job after, and since then no luck. It doesn't help that my major wasn't exactly a workforce one (it was Greek & Roman history), so I've been applying for IT jobs because I've got a few years of experience as a student worker doing low level tech support. However... most employers that bother to call me comment that I need a certification or education to back it up, but I need the job to get the money... I landed a part time IT job but it doesn't pay much and my boss isn't interested in giving me more hours.

I wish I had looked harder for permanent work after I graduated instead of taking that temp job, which ended right as unemployment skyrocketed.

gimmesometruth27

know1 wrote:

Partisan wrote:

Anyone having trouble finding work at the moment,im in the construction trade and was layed off work along with 65 others 4 months ago when the company i worked for went bust, and ive only found a few days work here and there since, hope this recession ends soon, anyone else having trouble? :(

The recession was declared over on Oct. 12.

that may be the case, but jobs are NOT coming back. got a quick answer for that one?

gimmesometruth27

High jobless rates could be the new normal
Industries that previously jump started employment aren’t able to this time

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33384835/ns ... d_economy/


updated 7:40 p.m. CT, Mon., Oct . 19, 2009
WASHINGTON - Even with an economic revival, many U.S. jobs lost during the recession may be gone forever and a weak employment market could linger for years.

That could add up to a "new normal" of higher joblessness and lower standards of living for many Americans, some economists are suggesting.

The words "it's different this time" are always suspect. But economists and policy makers say the job-creating dynamics of previous recoveries can't be counted on now.

Here's why:

The auto and construction industries helped lead the nation out of past recessions. But the carnage among Detroit's automakers and the surplus of new and foreclosed homes and empty commercial properties make it unlikely these two industries will be engines of growth anytime soon.
The job market is caught in a vicious circle: Without more jobs, U.S. consumers will have a hard time increasing their spending; but without that spending, businesses might see little reason to start hiring.
Many small and midsize businesses are still struggling to obtain bank loans, impeding their expansion plans and constraining overall economic growth.
Higher-income households are spending less because of big losses on their homes, retirement plans and other investments. Lower-income households are cutting back because they can't borrow like they once did.
That the recovery in jobs will be long and drawn out is something on which economists and policy makers can basically agree, even as their proposals for remedies vary widely.

Retrenching businesses will be slow in hiring back or replacing workers they laid off. Many of the 7.2 million jobs the economy has shed since the recession began in December 2007 may never come back.

"This Great Recession is an inflection point for the economy in many respects. I think the unemployment rate will be permanently higher, or at least higher for the foreseeable future," said Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Economy.com.

"The collective psyche has changed as a result of what we've been through. And we're going to be different as a result," said Zandi, who formerly advised Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and now is consulted by Democrats in the administration and in Congress,

Even before the recession, many jobs had vanished or been shipped overseas amid a general decline of U.S. manufacturing. The severest downturn since the Great Depression has accelerated the process.

Many economists believe the recession reversed course in the recently ended third quarter and they predict modest growth in the nation's gross domestic product over the next few years. Yet the unemployment rate is currently at a 26-year high of 9.8 percent — and likely to top 10 percent soon and stay there a while.

"Many factors are pushing against a quick recovery," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the labor-oriented Economic Policy Institute. "Things will come back. But it's going to take a long time. I think we will likely see elevated unemployment at least until 2014."

At best, many economists see an economic recovery without a return to moderate unemployment. At worst, they suggest the fragile recovery could lose steam and drag the economy back under for a double-dip recession.

"We will need to grind out this recovery step by step," President Barack Obama said earlier this month.

Obama and congressional Democrats are having a hard time agreeing on how to keep the recovery going and help millions of unemployed workers — short of another round of stimulus spending amid rising voter alarm over soaring federal deficits.

So far, they've been unable to win even a simple three-month extension of unemployment insurance for people in states with jobless rates above 8.5 percent.

The extension easily passed the House earlier this month but is bogged down in the Senate over disputes over which states would get the funds. Hundreds of thousands of people have already lost their benefits or are about to lose them.

The White House credits the president's $787 billion stimulus plan passed in February for keeping job losses from becoming even worse. Since Obama took office in January, the economy has lost 3.4 million jobs.

Republicans argue that the stimulus program has not worked as a job producer and is a waste of tax money. And last week, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce launched a multimillion advertising campaign to celebrate small business entrepreneurs — and to argue that further government intervention will not spur permanent job growth.

Chamber leaders called for creation of more than 20 million new private-sector jobs over the next decade, saying it's needed to replace jobs lost in the recession and to keep pace with population growth.

"The government can support a few jobs in the short-run" while free enterprise is the only system that can create 20 million of them, said Thomas Donohue, the chamber president.

To many economists, such a goal seems unreachable given today's altered economic landscape.

"It's a new normal that U.S. growth is going to be anemic on average for years. Right now, the prospect is bleak for anything other than a particularly high unemployment rate and a weak jobs-creating machine," said Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics Inc. He says he doubts that unemployment will dip below 7 percent anytime soon.

Many economists consider a jobless rate of 4 to 5 percent as reflecting a "full employment" economy, one in which nearly everyone who wants a job has one. After the 2001 recession the rate climbed to 5.8 percent in 2002 and peaked at 6.3 percent in 2003 before easing back to 4.6 percent for 2006 and 2007.

Will unemployment ever get back to such levels?

"I wouldn't say never. But I do think it's going to be a long time," said Bruce Bartlett, a former Treasury Department economist and the author of the book "The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward."

"The linkage between growth in the economy and growth in jobs is not what it was. I don't know if it's permanently broken or temporarily broken. But clearly we are not seeing the sort of increase in employment that one would normally expect," said Bartlett.

Cosmo

know1 wrote:

For all those who say they have been or were unemployed for a long period of time, have you considered at least working part-time or full-time at a lesser trade like delivering pizzas or working at Wal-Mart.

I probably wouldn't be unemployed for more than about 3 weeks before I'd be doing something else that brings in money.

...
Easier said than done.
Where do you think all of the unemployed people are picking up jobs?

Cosmo

Even a 30 year man with 20+ years of Information Technology skills and education in a gigantic, multi-billion dollar corporation that is in the black is not safe... as long as the upper mangement continually sees all their ground troops as numbers in the operating cost side of the ledger. They see us as 'Cost Savings' opportunities in meeting their goals and being rewarded in bonuses.

know1

Cosmo wrote:

know1 wrote:

For all those who say they have been or were unemployed for a long period of time, have you considered at least working part-time or full-time at a lesser trade like delivering pizzas or working at Wal-Mart.

I probably wouldn't be unemployed for more than about 3 weeks before I'd be doing something else that brings in money.

...
Easier said than done.
Where do you think all of the unemployed people are picking up jobs?

I don't know. Notice that I asked if they "considered" working part-time, etc..

I'm just curious if they tried, not directing them to do anything.

know1

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

know1 wrote:

Partisan wrote:

Anyone having trouble finding work at the moment,im in the construction trade and was layed off work along with 65 others 4 months ago when the company i worked for went bust, and ive only found a few days work here and there since, hope this recession ends soon, anyone else having trouble? :(

The recession was declared over on Oct. 12.

that may be the case, but jobs are NOT coming back. got a quick answer for that one?

My "quick answer" had a couple of points that I may not have conveyed.

1. Pointing out how "experts" say that the recession is over even though many people aren't feeling that.

2. Trying to demonstrate that shrugging off circumstances by attributing them to a bad economy is a dangerous practice. I think when the economy comes back, a lot of the jobs that were there before will be gone. At that point, you can't blame the economy anymore.

I just think the "recession" or "bad economy" is being made a scape goat and a rationalization for other problems.

cincybearcat

So Much Clearer wrote:

I'm on my 10th month of unemployment. I graduated from college in '08, had a temp job after, and since then no luck. It doesn't help that my major wasn't exactly a workforce one (it was Greek & Roman history), so I've been applying for IT jobs because I've got a few years of experience as a student worker doing low level tech support. However... most employers that bother to call me comment that I need a certification or education to back it up, but I need the job to get the money... I landed a part time IT job but it doesn't pay much and my boss isn't interested in giving me more hours.

I wish I had looked harder for permanent work after I graduated instead of taking that temp job, which ended right as unemployment skyrocketed.

If you could do anything, with the degree you got, what would be the job you would want?

Beck..

know1 wrote:

Partisan wrote:

Anyone having trouble finding work at the moment,im in the construction trade and was layed off work along with 65 others 4 months ago when the company i worked for went bust, and ive only found a few days work here and there since, hope this recession ends soon, anyone else having trouble? :(

The recession was declared over on Oct. 12.

If the recession is over, why is there no work anywhere?

I went the job centre today and there where six jobs, non i could apply for cos i do not have the qualifications to be a nurse or company director, so i dont know were you get your information from Know1

Oh and yes i would be happy to take a part time job if there were any.

soulsinging

Partisan wrote:

know1 wrote:

Partisan wrote:

Anyone having trouble finding work at the moment,im in the construction trade and was layed off work along with 65 others 4 months ago when the company i worked for went bust, and ive only found a few days work here and there since, hope this recession ends soon, anyone else having trouble? :(

The recession was declared over on Oct. 12.

If the recession is over, why is there no work anywhere?

I went the job centre today and there where six jobs, non i could apply for cos i do not have the qualifications to be a nurse or company director, so i dont know were you get your information from Know1

employment is a lagging indicator. the recession may be over and the market is rebounding, but it's going to be a long time before that translates into new jobs. if ever.

thus why "the market" is a worthless crock of shit.

StevieG

The so called experts that have declared the recession over were completely oblivious to the fact that there is one going on. It did not impact these people in the least.

Beck..

And what pisses me off even more is these Mp`s claiming thousands of pounds for there 1st and 2nd homes (which my taxes payed for), while me and my daughter are stuck on a housing list.

Its easy for these so called experts to say the recession is over when there getting paid 40k a year to sit in an office spouting this shit, they live in a different world than i do.

soulsinging

StevieG wrote:

The so called experts that have declared the recession over were completely oblivious to the fact that there is one going on. It did not impact these people in the least.

yeah, the recession being over means little other than the fact that the retirement plans and stock portfolios of the wealthy are back to making them richer again. for the vast majority of america, things are only going to keep getting harder.

"Dr. Daniel E. Fass, another chairman of the event who lives surrounded by financiers in Greenwich, Conn., said: “The investment community feels very put-upon. They feel there is no reason why they shouldn’t earn $1 million to $200 million a year, and they don’t want to be held responsible for the global financial meltdown.” "

boy, i'm weeping for how hard they've got it. everyone wanting to hold them accountable and wondering why they deserve more annual compensation than most people will see in a lifetime... it's a hard knock life for wall street execs :roll:

gimmesometruth27

know1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that may be the case, but jobs are NOT coming back. got a quick answer for that one?

My "quick answer" had a couple of points that I may not have conveyed.

1. Pointing out how "experts" say that the recession is over even though many people aren't feeling that.

2. Trying to demonstrate that shrugging off circumstances by attributing them to a bad economy is a dangerous practice. I think when the economy comes back, a lot of the jobs that were there before will be gone. At that point, you can't blame the economy anymore.

I just think the "recession" or "bad economy" is being made a scape goat and a rationalization for other problems.

this response is better, i just thought that the quick answer you initially said sounded very crass. but my point remains that the jobs are gone and not coming back, so how does that equate to recession being over? i know personally i am in no better place financially and my investments are destroyed. but with the recession being over its not going to make people like me spend more money to stimulate the economy when there are no "big ticket" items i would want to spend money on right now. i like most people can afford the necessities but not the luxuries. and i make a decent living. the people making these statements about the recession being over are out of touch with the realites of middle and lower class america.

BrinkofForever

I personally feel very blessed to have a job right now, and my heart goes out to the folks that are struggling. I work in mortgage servicing so I hear from people on the brink on a daily basis. You don't know how disheartening it is to get a call from someone who has been unemployed for a year, have 120.00 in the bank and have no idea how they are going to make their mortgage payment and buy groceries for their family. Those kind of calls sum up my day.
Ironically, I was laid off just prior to the market crash last September due to the weak economy. I too had to take a low paying crappy job for a while to pay bills. However, the mortgage bust and the bailout were direct contributors to the creation of the job I have now, so again, I feel blessed.

so-much-clearer

cincybearcat wrote:

So Much Clearer wrote:

I'm on my 10th month of unemployment. I graduated from college in '08, had a temp job after, and since then no luck. It doesn't help that my major wasn't exactly a workforce one (it was Greek & Roman history), so I've been applying for IT jobs because I've got a few years of experience as a student worker doing low level tech support. However... most employers that bother to call me comment that I need a certification or education to back it up, but I need the job to get the money... I landed a part time IT job but it doesn't pay much and my boss isn't interested in giving me more hours.

I wish I had looked harder for permanent work after I graduated instead of taking that temp job, which ended right as unemployment skyrocketed.

If you could do anything, with the degree you got, what would be the job you would want?

I think I'd like to do something at the Getty Villa or Getty Center here in LA, they have a lot of Greek/Roman sculpture and that was my favorite part of the major. Of course, museums are barely hiring, though. I was going to volunteer at the Villa but they wanted a 2-year commitment! I don't know where I'll be in 2 months, much less years, so I declined.

youngster

know1 wrote:

For all those who say they have been or were unemployed for a long period of time, have you considered at least working part-time or full-time at a lesser trade like delivering pizzas or working at Wal-Mart.

I probably wouldn't be unemployed for more than about 3 weeks before I'd be doing something else that brings in money.

I make much more on unemployment benefits than most people who work at Walmart or deliver pizzas.

Heatherj43

Partisan wrote:

Anyone having trouble finding work at the moment,im in the construction trade and was layed off work along with 65 others 4 months ago when the company i worked for went bust, and ive only found a few days work here and there since, hope this recession ends soon, anyone else having trouble? :(

I live in an affluent area and my next door neighbors go to Detroit and stand at the exits of expressways with "Homeless please help" signs and make pretty good money. It was funny, I pulled up and caught them. They dress the part and all. It has made me consider doing the same with the sign saying "please help need money for doctor".