This doesn't mean that any of the named acts are 'shit'.
I meant no offense. To me, Kiss is sh*t. Plain and simple. But I don't expect all to have the same opinion. I just hate the music, the theatrics, and Paul Stanley's oh so witty concert banter. BUT, if they, (or in your case ICP), are your deal then it's all good.
Oh yeah I get that! There are many music acts that arean't my thing and I occasionally describe as shit! I won't tell people they're shit though, I merely state that I think they're shit... or if i'm feeling tactful, they're 'not to my taste'
No offense was taken Mr. Binnyfrogman, no worries
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Whoever said in this thread that ICP is about shock/theatrics/glam/over the top, you are absolutely correct. The same as the likes of Kiss and Marilyn Manson. Millions of people are obsessed with Kiss and thousands with Manson, there is nothing wrong with this. One person's Pearl Jam or Rolling Stones is another's ICP or Kiss.
Not really. ICP is to Manson and Kiss what Creed is to PJ and Nirvana. Which is fine (hell, I like Buckcherry and they are to GnR what ICP is to Manson), but let's call a spade a spade. Everyone is entitled to their tastes, but that doesn't mean the band isn't shit. Like I said, I love Buckcherry, but I understand why most people think they're crap and I'm not going to take it personal.
More of what bothers me with ICP is their fans. GWAR is dumb. But ICP fans are kinda creepy in my experience. I'm from the area that they came out of and it's frighteningly accurate that a huge chunk of their fanbase is violent, meth-addicted, white trash. I say this because I know a lot of them firsthand. You're the first normal one I ever heard of I'm glad to hear it's not all like that, but it's a bizarre cult-like atmosphere around here.
Last thing, speaking as a guy that majored in lit/creative writing at university, that doesn't necessarily mean you're all that intelligent
Whoever said in this thread that ICP is about shock/theatrics/glam/over the top, you are absolutely correct. The same as the likes of Kiss and Marilyn Manson. Millions of people are obsessed with Kiss and thousands with Manson, there is nothing wrong with this. One person's Pearl Jam or Rolling Stones is another's ICP or Kiss.
Not really. ICP is to Manson and Kiss what Creed is to PJ and Nirvana. Which is fine (hell, I like Buckcherry and they are to GnR what ICP is to Manson), but let's call a spade a spade. Everyone is entitled to their tastes, but that doesn't mean the band isn't shit. Like I said, I love Buckcherry, but I understand why most people think they're crap and I'm not going to take it personal.
More of what bothers me with ICP is their fans. GWAR is dumb. But ICP fans are kinda creepy in my experience. I'm from the area that they came out of and it's frighteningly accurate that a huge chunk of their fanbase is violent, meth-addicted, white trash. I say this because I know a lot of them firsthand. You're the first normal one I ever heard of I'm glad to hear it's not all like that, but it's a bizarre cult-like atmosphere around here.
Last thing, speaking as a guy that majored in lit/creative writing at university, that doesn't necessarily mean you're all that intelligent
I am too brainy! My mum said I am... :P
I agree that ICP aren't technically good. They make poor, simplistic music. However, the comparison to Manson and Kiss was for the shock gimmick factor, nothing more. The comparison to the likes of PJ and the Stones was that, although we don't agree with it, there are shed loads of kids out there that think ICP are the greatest thing since a sliced medium wholemeal. There's nothing wrong with this, it's their opinion and a lot of them know no different. I was using my music taste/education as an example that although ICP are far from being up there with the greats, I still like them as I take them for what they are.
I think that what you said about the cult like atmosphere being around there is the key. I saw ICP here in the UK in 2003 and the fans who turned up were generally people aged between 15 and 25 (myself included) who were about as dark and threatening as a teapot. I know that in the US it's different and i'm glad we have a different type of ICP fan over here, we don't take what they say so literally... I know I laugh at ICP's music before I take any serious message from it, let alone go out and kill a family because the song 'If I Were a Serial Killer' told me to do so... All of the English ICP fans I know have been completely harmless, 'normal' people who have no idea how to even do meth... It's cuz we're English see, we do everything with a stiff upper lip, including following trashy horrorcore/rap artists
Besides, what's wrong with GWAR? Seeing them was one of the funnest gigs i've ever been to :oops:
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I agree that ICP aren't technically good. They make poor, simplistic music. However, the comparison to Manson and Kiss was for the shock gimmick factor, nothing more. The comparison to the likes of PJ and the Stones was that, although we don't agree with it, there are shed loads of kids out there that think ICP are the greatest thing since a sliced medium wholemeal. There's nothing wrong with this, it's their opinion and a lot of them know no different. I was using my music taste/education as an example that although ICP are far from being up there with the greats, I still like them as I take them for what they are.
I think that what you said about the cult like atmosphere being around there is the key. I saw ICP here in the UK in 2003 and the fans who turned up were generally people aged between 15 and 25 (myself included) who were about as dark and threatening as a teapot. I know that in the US it's different and i'm glad we have a different type of ICP fan over here, we don't take what they say so literally... I know I laugh at ICP's music before I take any serious message from it, let alone go out and kill a family because the song 'If I Were a Serial Killer' told me to do so... All of the English ICP fans I know have been completely harmless, 'normal' people who have no idea how to even do meth... It's cuz we're English see, we do everything with a stiff upper lip, including following trashy horrorcore/rap artists
Besides, what's wrong with GWAR? Seeing them was one of the funnest gigs i've ever been to :oops:
nothing wrong with seeing GWAR, i think it'd be a riot. i just think that's the diff between ICP here and apparently ICP in the uk... there, you seem to approach ICP like we all approach GWAR... an absurd but fun group to see for all the theatrics. here, ICP's following is very different and a lot more disturbing.
KISS tried to merge rock with theater in the vein of the Who. like it or not, nobody was doing what they did with rock and they paved the way for a lot of music that followed (hair metal in particular). Manson did a lot of shock theatrics, but there was a definitive artistic statement to go with it and a lot of thought-provoking social criticism. he took the theatrics new places. ICP just copies the gimmicks, with none of the intelligence. i don't see anyone looking up to or remembering ICP in 20-30 years like they remember KISS, and i don't think the whole jugalo thing was an artistic vision. i think they just found a market they thought they could capture and built this cult around it. at least over here. by the time it gets over there it might seem goofy, but here it's just bizarre.
I find it insulting that ICP fans have been referred to in this thread as 'meth addicts' and 'stupid'. That is a very sweeping remark, it's unfounded and wrong. Opinions ARE valid, but insults are not.
I would never go as far as to say ALL ICP fans are meth addicts, that's pure ignorance. But unfortunately for the fanbase representation, the only ICP fans I've ever known have been strung out. Didn't mean to offend you, but I can't help the impression that has been made on me...then again, maybe I'm suffering from a lack of an open-mind. Kudos to you for being the first one to not fit that mold though.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
I find it insulting that ICP fans have been referred to in this thread as 'meth addicts' and 'stupid'. That is a very sweeping remark, it's unfounded and wrong. Opinions ARE valid, but insults are not.
I would never go as far as to say ALL ICP fans are meth addicts, that's pure ignorance. But unfortunately for the fanbase representation, the only ICP fans I've ever known have been strung out. Didn't mean to offend you, but I can't help the impression that has been made on me...then again, maybe I'm suffering from a lack of an open-mind. Kudos to you for being the first one to not fit that mold though.
As Soulyswingin' said, the ICP fanbase in the US and UK are very different. It actually doesn't surprise me that the kind of people you described, has been your experience with the Juggalo fanbase. Although not ALL are like that, even Stateside. I apologise if it seemed I was having a dig at you, t'wasn't meant like that and I didn't realise you were talking US
I have to agree that US Juggalos take their liking of the band to a different level. They need a good English cup of tea and a biscuit, they might calm down a bit...
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I agree that ICP aren't technically good. They make poor, simplistic music. However, the comparison to Manson and Kiss was for the shock gimmick factor, nothing more. The comparison to the likes of PJ and the Stones was that, although we don't agree with it, there are shed loads of kids out there that think ICP are the greatest thing since a sliced medium wholemeal. There's nothing wrong with this, it's their opinion and a lot of them know no different. I was using my music taste/education as an example that although ICP are far from being up there with the greats, I still like them as I take them for what they are.
I think that what you said about the cult like atmosphere being around there is the key. I saw ICP here in the UK in 2003 and the fans who turned up were generally people aged between 15 and 25 (myself included) who were about as dark and threatening as a teapot. I know that in the US it's different and i'm glad we have a different type of ICP fan over here, we don't take what they say so literally... I know I laugh at ICP's music before I take any serious message from it, let alone go out and kill a family because the song 'If I Were a Serial Killer' told me to do so... All of the English ICP fans I know have been completely harmless, 'normal' people who have no idea how to even do meth... It's cuz we're English see, we do everything with a stiff upper lip, including following trashy horrorcore/rap artists
Besides, what's wrong with GWAR? Seeing them was one of the funnest gigs i've ever been to :oops:
nothing wrong with seeing GWAR, i think it'd be a riot. i just think that's the diff between ICP here and apparently ICP in the uk... there, you seem to approach ICP like we all approach GWAR... an absurd but fun group to see for all the theatrics. here, ICP's following is very different and a lot more disturbing.
KISS tried to merge rock with theater in the vein of the Who. like it or not, nobody was doing what they did with rock and they paved the way for a lot of music that followed (hair metal in particular). Manson did a lot of shock theatrics, but there was a definitive artistic statement to go with it and a lot of thought-provoking social criticism. he took the theatrics new places. ICP just copies the gimmicks, with none of the intelligence. i don't see anyone looking up to or remembering ICP in 20-30 years like they remember KISS, and i don't think the whole jugalo thing was an artistic vision. i think they just found a market they thought they could capture and built this cult around it. at least over here. by the time it gets over there it might seem goofy, but here it's just bizarre.
Go see GWAR, you won't regret it! (tip: wear old clothes... :? )
I agree with your statement about Manson although many acts have had great stage shows, notably Alice Cooper and Kiss. Shock sells and will continue to sell while there's hoards of smelly teenagers who want to shock their parents and parents who want to go on a nostalgia trip every time they break out the Love Gun vinyl. It won't surprise you to read that I'm also a fan of Manson's work (pre Holywood anyways) and you're right, his stage theatrics, artistic statement and social criticism used to be spot on, better than some of the older greats infact. I used to love seeing him live, however, I believe he's sold out of late. Merely my opinion you understand, as an old school Manson fan
I think you've hit the nail on the head with ICP to be honest. They are trying to cover their lack of musical talent with face paint and stage theatrics and it does end up looking clumsy and goofy. But meh, it works for me and I've found their stuff entertaining over the years. I've never taken them seriously.
ICP certainly won't be remembered in 20-30 years... unless one of their fans does something horrific in the name of the Juggalos... I can see it happening... It won't be me though, i'm just too busy for massacring these days...
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I agree that ICP aren't technically good. They make poor, simplistic music. However, the comparison to Manson and Kiss was for the shock gimmick factor, nothing more. The comparison to the likes of PJ and the Stones was that, although we don't agree with it, there are shed loads of kids out there that think ICP are the greatest thing since a sliced medium wholemeal. There's nothing wrong with this, it's their opinion and a lot of them know no different. I was using my music taste/education as an example that although ICP are far from being up there with the greats, I still like them as I take them for what they are.
I think that what you said about the cult like atmosphere being around there is the key. I saw ICP here in the UK in 2003 and the fans who turned up were generally people aged between 15 and 25 (myself included) who were about as dark and threatening as a teapot. I know that in the US it's different and i'm glad we have a different type of ICP fan over here, we don't take what they say so literally... I know I laugh at ICP's music before I take any serious message from it, let alone go out and kill a family because the song 'If I Were a Serial Killer' told me to do so... All of the English ICP fans I know have been completely harmless, 'normal' people who have no idea how to even do meth... It's cuz we're English see, we do everything with a stiff upper lip, including following trashy horrorcore/rap artists
Besides, what's wrong with GWAR? Seeing them was one of the funnest gigs i've ever been to :oops:
nothing wrong with seeing GWAR, i think it'd be a riot. i just think that's the diff between ICP here and apparently ICP in the uk... there, you seem to approach ICP like we all approach GWAR... an absurd but fun group to see for all the theatrics. here, ICP's following is very different and a lot more disturbing.
KISS tried to merge rock with theater in the vein of the Who. like it or not, nobody was doing what they did with rock and they paved the way for a lot of music that followed (hair metal in particular). Manson did a lot of shock theatrics, but there was a definitive artistic statement to go with it and a lot of thought-provoking social criticism. he took the theatrics new places. ICP just copies the gimmicks, with none of the intelligence. i don't see anyone looking up to or remembering ICP in 20-30 years like they remember KISS, and i don't think the whole jugalo thing was an artistic vision. i think they just found a market they thought they could capture and built this cult around it. at least over here. by the time it gets over there it might seem goofy, but here it's just bizarre.
Go see GWAR, you won't regret it! (tip: wear old clothes... :? )
I agree with your statement about Manson although many acts have had great stage shows, notably Alice Cooper and Kiss. Shock sells and will continue to sell while there's hoards of smelly teenagers who want to shock their parents and parents who want to go on a nostalgia trip every time they break out the Love Gun vinyl. It won't surprise you to read that I'm also a fan of Manson's work (pre Holywood anyways) and you're right, his stage theatrics, artistic statement and social criticism used to be spot on, better than some of the older greats infact. I used to love seeing him live, however, I believe he's sold out of late. Merely my opinion you understand, as an old school Manson fan
I think you've hit the nail on the head with ICP to be honest. They are trying to cover their lack of musical talent with face paint and stage theatrics and it does end up looking clumsy and goofy. But meh, it works for me and I've found their stuff entertaining over the years. I've never taken them seriously.
ICP certainly won't be remembered in 20-30 years... unless one of their fans does something horrific in the name of the Juggalos... I can see it happening... It won't be me though, i'm just too busy for massacring these days...
I know you weren't taking a dig , and hey..if they don't want the tea and biscuit, I'll sure as hell take it.
GWAR is comign to SLC in November and I really want to attend....
Alice Cooper in Wendover this Saturday!!! can't wait!!! I never thought I'd be able to say I've seen Alice Cooper twice...but hey, here it comes.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
I know you weren't taking a dig , and hey..if they don't want the tea and biscuit, I'll sure as hell take it.
GWAR is comign to SLC in November and I really want to attend....
Alice Cooper in Wendover this Saturday!!! can't wait!!! I never thought I'd be able to say I've seen Alice Cooper twice...but hey, here it comes.
We shall be civilized in our Juggalo discussions! Tea? *offers dcfaithful an edigestive and a cup of English brew*
GO SEE GWAR!!! I had a ball! Got covered in god knows what, Oderus singled us out and abused my friend with his giant member and we all smelt like we'd been at a festival for 2 weeks by the end of the show!
It's amazing how they actually keep it together musically and still play to an OK standard while they're pissing about on stage :shock:
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I know you weren't taking a dig , and hey..if they don't want the tea and biscuit, I'll sure as hell take it.
GWAR is comign to SLC in November and I really want to attend....
Alice Cooper in Wendover this Saturday!!! can't wait!!! I never thought I'd be able to say I've seen Alice Cooper twice...but hey, here it comes.
We shall be civilized in our Juggalo discussions! Tea? *offers dcfaithful an edigestive and a cup of English brew*
GO SEE GWAR!!! I had a ball! Got covered in god knows what, Oderus singled us out and abused my friend with his giant member and we all smelt like we'd been at a festival for 2 weeks by the end of the show!
It's amazing how they actually keep it together musically and still play to an OK standard while they're pissing about on stage :shock:
My best friend has seen them about 6-7 times and loves it every single time. He saves his t-shirt from each show. They tend to be brand new white undershirts before....but then later they have all varied from blood red to purple/blue, to a strange green.
Oh, how I look forward to being covered in fake blood, urine, and semen.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
What is a juggalo? Lemme think for a second. (well? )Oh, he gets butt naked.And then he walks through the street winkin at freaks,Wit a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks! What is a juggalo? He just dont care.
He might try to put a weave in his nut hair.Cuz he could give a fuck less what a bitch thinks, He tell her that her butt stinks, and all that, What is a juggalo? He drinks like a fish, And then he starts huggin people like a drunk bitch, Next thing hes pickin fights with his best friends, Then he starts with the huggin again, fuck,
What is a juggalo? A fuckin lunatic. Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
What is a juggalo?
A juggalo? if thats what it is, well fuck if I know.
What is a juggalo?
I dont know, but Im down with the clown, and Im down for life, yo.
What is a juggalo? A dead body. Well he aint really dead, but he aint like anybodyThat youve ever met before.Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
What is a juggalo? He aint a bitch boy. Hell walk through to the hills and beat down a rich boy.
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop! What is a juggalo?
Well he aint a phoney. Hell walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni.And watch you sit there and finish up the last bit, Cuz youre a stupid-ass dumb fuckin idiot. What is a juggalo? Hes a graduate. He graduated from......well, At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
What is a juggalo? A hulkamaniac.He powerbombs mutha fuckas into thumbtacks.
People like him till they find out hes unstable.He sabued ya mama through a coffee table.
What is a juggalo? Lemme think for a second. (well? )Oh, he gets butt naked.And then he walks through the street winkin at freaks,Wit a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks! What is a juggalo? He just dont care.
He might try to put a weave in his nut hair.Cuz he could give a fuck less what a bitch thinks, He tell her that her butt stinks, and all that, What is a juggalo? He drinks like a fish, And then he starts huggin people like a drunk bitch, Next thing hes pickin fights with his best friends, Then he starts with the huggin again, fuck,
What is a juggalo? A fuckin lunatic. Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
What is a juggalo?
A juggalo? if thats what it is, well fuck if I know.
What is a juggalo?
I dont know, but Im down with the clown, and Im down for life, yo.
What is a juggalo? A dead body. Well he aint really dead, but he aint like anybodyThat youve ever met before.Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
What is a juggalo? He aint a bitch boy. Hell walk through to the hills and beat down a rich boy.
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop! What is a juggalo?
Well he aint a phoney. Hell walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni.And watch you sit there and finish up the last bit, Cuz youre a stupid-ass dumb fuckin idiot. What is a juggalo? Hes a graduate. He graduated from......well, At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
What is a juggalo? A hulkamaniac.He powerbombs mutha fuckas into thumbtacks.
People like him till they find out hes unstable.He sabued ya mama through a coffee table.
Most people here won't get that song reference.
I think "A fan of ICP and acts on the label Psychopathic Records" does a stirling job of describing what a Juggalo is...
but 10/10 for ICP effort! *thumbs up*
:roll:
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
What is a juggalo? Lemme think for a second. (well? )Oh, he gets butt naked.And then he walks through the street winkin at freaks,Wit a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks! What is a juggalo? He just dont care.
He might try to put a weave in his nut hair.Cuz he could give a fuck less what a bitch thinks, He tell her that her butt stinks, and all that, What is a juggalo? He drinks like a fish, And then he starts huggin people like a drunk bitch, Next thing hes pickin fights with his best friends, Then he starts with the huggin again, fuck,
What is a juggalo? A fuckin lunatic. Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
What is a juggalo?
A juggalo? if thats what it is, well fuck if I know.
What is a juggalo?
I dont know, but Im down with the clown, and Im down for life, yo.
What is a juggalo? A dead body. Well he aint really dead, but he aint like anybodyThat youve ever met before.Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
What is a juggalo? He aint a bitch boy. Hell walk through to the hills and beat down a rich boy.
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop! What is a juggalo?
Well he aint a phoney. Hell walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni.And watch you sit there and finish up the last bit, Cuz youre a stupid-ass dumb fuckin idiot. What is a juggalo? Hes a graduate. He graduated from......well, At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
What is a juggalo? A hulkamaniac.He powerbombs mutha fuckas into thumbtacks.
People like him till they find out hes unstable.He sabued ya mama through a coffee table.
Jesus. those might be the worst lyrics i ever heard of.
What is a juggalo? Lemme think for a second. (well? )Oh, he gets butt naked.And then he walks through the street winkin at freaks,Wit a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks! What is a juggalo? He just dont care.
He might try to put a weave in his nut hair.Cuz he could give a fuck less what a bitch thinks, He tell her that her butt stinks, and all that, What is a juggalo? He drinks like a fish, And then he starts huggin people like a drunk bitch, Next thing hes pickin fights with his best friends, Then he starts with the huggin again, fuck,
What is a juggalo? A fuckin lunatic. Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
What is a juggalo?
A juggalo? if thats what it is, well fuck if I know.
What is a juggalo?
I dont know, but Im down with the clown, and Im down for life, yo.
What is a juggalo? A dead body. Well he aint really dead, but he aint like anybodyThat youve ever met before.Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
What is a juggalo? He aint a bitch boy. Hell walk through to the hills and beat down a rich boy.
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop! What is a juggalo?
Well he aint a phoney. Hell walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni.And watch you sit there and finish up the last bit, Cuz youre a stupid-ass dumb fuckin idiot. What is a juggalo? Hes a graduate. He graduated from......well, At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
What is a juggalo? A hulkamaniac.He powerbombs mutha fuckas into thumbtacks.
People like him till they find out hes unstable.He sabued ya mama through a coffee table.
Jesus. those might be the worst lyrics i ever heard of.
Yeah...my opinion of IPC has not been altered. :roll:
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop!
At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
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Oh yeah I get that! There are many music acts that arean't my thing and I occasionally describe as shit! I won't tell people they're shit though, I merely state that I think they're shit... or if i'm feeling tactful, they're 'not to my taste'
No offense was taken Mr. Binnyfrogman, no worries
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Not really. ICP is to Manson and Kiss what Creed is to PJ and Nirvana. Which is fine (hell, I like Buckcherry and they are to GnR what ICP is to Manson), but let's call a spade a spade. Everyone is entitled to their tastes, but that doesn't mean the band isn't shit. Like I said, I love Buckcherry, but I understand why most people think they're crap and I'm not going to take it personal.
More of what bothers me with ICP is their fans. GWAR is dumb. But ICP fans are kinda creepy in my experience. I'm from the area that they came out of and it's frighteningly accurate that a huge chunk of their fanbase is violent, meth-addicted, white trash. I say this because I know a lot of them firsthand. You're the first normal one I ever heard of
Last thing, speaking as a guy that majored in lit/creative writing at university, that doesn't necessarily mean you're all that intelligent
I am too brainy! My mum said I am... :P
I agree that ICP aren't technically good. They make poor, simplistic music. However, the comparison to Manson and Kiss was for the shock gimmick factor, nothing more. The comparison to the likes of PJ and the Stones was that, although we don't agree with it, there are shed loads of kids out there that think ICP are the greatest thing since a sliced medium wholemeal. There's nothing wrong with this, it's their opinion and a lot of them know no different. I was using my music taste/education as an example that although ICP are far from being up there with the greats, I still like them as I take them for what they are.
I think that what you said about the cult like atmosphere being around there is the key. I saw ICP here in the UK in 2003 and the fans who turned up were generally people aged between 15 and 25 (myself included) who were about as dark and threatening as a teapot. I know that in the US it's different and i'm glad we have a different type of ICP fan over here, we don't take what they say so literally... I know I laugh at ICP's music before I take any serious message from it, let alone go out and kill a family because the song 'If I Were a Serial Killer' told me to do so... All of the English ICP fans I know have been completely harmless, 'normal' people who have no idea how to even do meth... It's cuz we're English see, we do everything with a stiff upper lip, including following trashy horrorcore/rap artists
Besides, what's wrong with GWAR? Seeing them was one of the funnest gigs i've ever been to :oops:
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
nothing wrong with seeing GWAR, i think it'd be a riot. i just think that's the diff between ICP here and apparently ICP in the uk... there, you seem to approach ICP like we all approach GWAR... an absurd but fun group to see for all the theatrics. here, ICP's following is very different and a lot more disturbing.
KISS tried to merge rock with theater in the vein of the Who. like it or not, nobody was doing what they did with rock and they paved the way for a lot of music that followed (hair metal in particular). Manson did a lot of shock theatrics, but there was a definitive artistic statement to go with it and a lot of thought-provoking social criticism. he took the theatrics new places. ICP just copies the gimmicks, with none of the intelligence. i don't see anyone looking up to or remembering ICP in 20-30 years like they remember KISS, and i don't think the whole jugalo thing was an artistic vision. i think they just found a market they thought they could capture and built this cult around it. at least over here. by the time it gets over there it might seem goofy, but here it's just bizarre.
I would never go as far as to say ALL ICP fans are meth addicts, that's pure ignorance. But unfortunately for the fanbase representation, the only ICP fans I've ever known have been strung out. Didn't mean to offend you, but I can't help the impression that has been made on me...then again, maybe I'm suffering from a lack of an open-mind. Kudos to you for being the first one to not fit that mold though.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
As Soulyswingin' said, the ICP fanbase in the US and UK are very different. It actually doesn't surprise me that the kind of people you described, has been your experience with the Juggalo fanbase. Although not ALL are like that, even Stateside. I apologise if it seemed I was having a dig at you, t'wasn't meant like that and I didn't realise you were talking US
I have to agree that US Juggalos take their liking of the band to a different level. They need a good English cup of tea and a biscuit, they might calm down a bit...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Go see GWAR, you won't regret it!
I agree with your statement about Manson although many acts have had great stage shows, notably Alice Cooper and Kiss. Shock sells and will continue to sell while there's hoards of smelly teenagers who want to shock their parents and parents who want to go on a nostalgia trip every time they break out the Love Gun vinyl. It won't surprise you to read that I'm also a fan of Manson's work (pre Holywood anyways) and you're right, his stage theatrics, artistic statement and social criticism used to be spot on, better than some of the older greats infact. I used to love seeing him live, however, I believe he's sold out of late. Merely my opinion you understand, as an old school Manson fan
I think you've hit the nail on the head with ICP to be honest. They are trying to cover their lack of musical talent with face paint and stage theatrics and it does end up looking clumsy and goofy. But meh, it works for me and I've found their stuff entertaining over the years. I've never taken them seriously.
ICP certainly won't be remembered in 20-30 years... unless one of their fans does something horrific in the name of the Juggalos... I can see it happening... It won't be me though, i'm just too busy for massacring these days...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I know you weren't taking a dig
GWAR is comign to SLC in November and I really want to attend....
Alice Cooper in Wendover this Saturday!!! can't wait!!! I never thought I'd be able to say I've seen Alice Cooper twice...but hey, here it comes.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
GO SEE GWAR!!! I had a ball! Got covered in god knows what, Oderus singled us out and abused my friend with his giant member and we all smelt like we'd been at a festival for 2 weeks by the end of the show!
It's amazing how they actually keep it together musically and still play to an OK standard while they're pissing about on stage :shock:
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
My best friend has seen them about 6-7 times and loves it every single time. He saves his t-shirt from each show. They tend to be brand new white undershirts before....but then later they have all varied from blood red to purple/blue, to a strange green.
Oh, how I look forward to being covered in fake blood, urine, and semen.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
What is a juggalo? Lemme think for a second. (well? )Oh, he gets butt naked.And then he walks through the street winkin at freaks,Wit a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks! What is a juggalo? He just dont care.
He might try to put a weave in his nut hair.Cuz he could give a fuck less what a bitch thinks, He tell her that her butt stinks, and all that, What is a juggalo? He drinks like a fish, And then he starts huggin people like a drunk bitch, Next thing hes pickin fights with his best friends, Then he starts with the huggin again, fuck,
What is a juggalo? A fuckin lunatic. Somebody with a rope tied to his dick,Then he jumps out a ten-story windowéééoh!
What is a juggalo?
A juggalo? if thats what it is, well fuck if I know.
What is a juggalo?
I dont know, but Im down with the clown, and Im down for life, yo.
What is a juggalo? A dead body. Well he aint really dead, but he aint like anybodyThat youve ever met before.Hell eat monopoly and shit out connect four..
What is a juggalo? He aint a bitch boy. Hell walk through to the hills and beat down a rich boy.
Walks right in the house where ya havin supper,And dip his nuts in ya soupéébloop! What is a juggalo?
Well he aint a phoney. Hell walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni.And watch you sit there and finish up the last bit, Cuz youre a stupid-ass dumb fuckin idiot. What is a juggalo? Hes a graduate. He graduated from......well, At least hes got a job, hes not a dumb putz,He works for himself scratchin his nuts, ha!
What is a juggalo? A hulkamaniac.He powerbombs mutha fuckas into thumbtacks.
People like him till they find out hes unstable.He sabued ya mama through a coffee table.
Most people here won't get that song reference.
I think "A fan of ICP and acts on the label Psychopathic Records" does a stirling job of describing what a Juggalo is...
but 10/10 for ICP effort! *thumbs up*
:roll:
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Just wow.
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Jesus. those might be the worst lyrics i ever heard of.
Yeah...my opinion of IPC has not been altered. :roll:
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
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