Gun-toting soccer mom, husband found shot dead
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i remember hearing about this lady last year and thinking how IMO she was irresponsible to bring her gun to a 5 year old's soccer game and to take it shopping, and i remember having a bad feeling that something bad was going to happen to her since she had outraged her hometown. i had no idea her husband would kill her though. to me this story reeks with irony. sad sad story, but another reason why i believe we need stronger gun legislation. some will argue that we need more guns for protection, but a gun did not help her in this case. if the sheriff had not taken her permit would the result have been different? at least the kids were not injured, but they will be scarred the rest of their lives having seen their dad shoot their mom....
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... titialskip
LEBANON, Pa. (AP) — A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.
The couple's three children were home at the time but weren't hurt, police said. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.
According to the Lebanon Daily News, several neighbors said they witnessed the children, ages 2, 6 and 10, run from the house shouting, "Daddy shot Mommy!" shortly before 911 was called at 6:20 p.m.
Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said. Scott Hain had left the couple's home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but he returned Wednesday, Long said.
Autopsies on the Hains were to be conducted Thursday, coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum said.
Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended a children's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with a handgun in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.
The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.
Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.
Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.
After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.
"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.
The Daily News reported that Meleanie Hain had operated a day-care center in her home. Her husband was a Berks County parole officer and a former prison guard.
Neighbor Brian Witmer told the newspaper he saw Scott Hain mowing the grass about 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.
"He was mowing his lawn, and the dog was outside," Witmer said. "There was nothing out of the ordinary. He didn't seem strange at all."
Debbie Mise, who lives three doors away from the Hain house, told the Daily News she felt something bad would eventually happen at the Hain residence.
"She just wasn't right," Mise said of Meleanie Hain. "You don't bring a gun to a kids' soccer game, and you don't wear a gun when you go shopping at Kohl's."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... titialskip
LEBANON, Pa. (AP) — A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.
The couple's three children were home at the time but weren't hurt, police said. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.
According to the Lebanon Daily News, several neighbors said they witnessed the children, ages 2, 6 and 10, run from the house shouting, "Daddy shot Mommy!" shortly before 911 was called at 6:20 p.m.
Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said. Scott Hain had left the couple's home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but he returned Wednesday, Long said.
Autopsies on the Hains were to be conducted Thursday, coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum said.
Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended a children's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with a handgun in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.
The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.
Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.
Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.
After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.
"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.
The Daily News reported that Meleanie Hain had operated a day-care center in her home. Her husband was a Berks County parole officer and a former prison guard.
Neighbor Brian Witmer told the newspaper he saw Scott Hain mowing the grass about 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.
"He was mowing his lawn, and the dog was outside," Witmer said. "There was nothing out of the ordinary. He didn't seem strange at all."
Debbie Mise, who lives three doors away from the Hain house, told the Daily News she felt something bad would eventually happen at the Hain residence.
"She just wasn't right," Mise said of Meleanie Hain. "You don't bring a gun to a kids' soccer game, and you don't wear a gun when you go shopping at Kohl's."
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ha, yeah. that's the judge's/sheriff's fault. no way her babysitting business tanked because people had second thoughts about having their kids watched by someone so paranoid and clearly unbalanced that she felt the need to carry a loaded gun to a 5-year old soccer game. jesus.
i'm not for an all out gun ban, but stories like this... you have to think that when tempers flair or there's marital discord... it's a lot easier for someone to die when in the heat of intense emotion you can grab a gun.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
There are no good sarcastic icons.
I will say that there is something to keeping guns out of the hands of otherwise law-abiding mentally troubled individuals, though ... Presumably in this case there is some reason to believe that depression or another psychological problem was playing a role.
Lol... I used to work at a sports complex that had kids indoor soccer. Even at that young age, there are some fucking crazy parents.
And for 5 year olds, usually older kids and young teenagers referee those games. I can't imagine being 13 years old, and having some mother who's packing heat yell at you about a foul cause she thought her kid got tripped.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i used to umpire little league baseball and it was disheartening just how pathetic and ugly parents can be in those situations. if a parent ever came armed, i'm not joking, i'd have been terrified. the things GROWN ADULTS would say to me, a 16 year old kid, after a game were unbelievable. there were plenty of times i was truly concerned for my physical safety. i'd have refused to even start the game until she put the gun away.
i don't think depression or psychological problems are any excuse for what happened and it does not justify having a gun.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I've umpired games also and I certainly would do the same. The game does not start until the weapon was put away and if I got fired over it then so be it. I played on a traveling softball team and several of our players were police office including SWAT members and they didn't carry their weapons in their team bags. They left them in their locked cars.
peace
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I should also add, that's a terribly sad story, and i feel for the three children left behind, instead of just being a jackass.
... for lynching??? :shock:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
yes what have you.... my best friend hanged herself. :( cant imagine topping myself that way.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:(
i got off topic..
the point was that guns are designed to kill, rope on the other hand...
really sorry about your friend.
My point is that guns are not the problem. They can save innocent peoples lives. I worked in North Philly for 5 years and it changed my view on gun laws as I was for strict laws. The thugs are all armed, mostly illegally. I now don't see a problem with having a pistol. Good people get murdered all the time. In those areas, the chances of being victimized are scarry. More laws will never take guns out of the hands of those who are using them for criminal activities, never. Furthermore, accidents resulting from guns has been decreasing exponentially while gun ownership has been largely increasing.
in that way we dont have to address the real reason behind gun crime. which is at its core, is the fact that people have guns in the first place.
how many guns prevented crimes this past year?
how many guns were involved in a crime?
the risk of the latter outweighs any benefit of the former....get rid of guns, get rid of gun crime.
http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
Dear Dunkman,
Please show up to the board today and read this thread. It's "important".
It would also be appreciated if you could bring your A game like you did when you debated this issue with charger last year.
one of the best debates ever.
So uh yeah
Hugs.
so the thugs are armed, are you proposing solving the problem by having more guns out in the population? it is a recipe for disaster. its like saying "hey, iran has wmds, lets make the entire region safer by giving EVERYONE some nerve gas or nukes..."
you say more laws will not get the guns out of the hands of criminals. that is true, but gun buyback programs have been proven to be successful in limiting the number of illegal guns on the street. there are other ways to solve problems than by passing more laws.
lastly, i would like to see some actual stats on your claim that gun accidents are down, because in the papers i read they are actually up with the increased number of guns in the population. and i doubt that that is due to liberal media bias.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But... weren't they 'Law Abiding Citizens' when they bought the guns? Law abiding citizens get depressed... depression can happen to anyone... even you. Anyone can break under the stress... losing a job, breaking up of a marriage... a lot of stuff. Having a gun handy in good times sounds logical... a gun in the house in turmoil? Well... my logic tells me... not so much.
Hail, Hail!!!
As an aside, I can't believe someone called dunkman out to this thread. You know, masochism is treatable.
Cosmo,
You raise good points, and yes, I know what depression feels like, first hand. I also own two guns (legally). I know that there's no black and white solution to the guns and mental health issue, but stats show that owning a gun (legal or illegal) is a risk factor for completed suicide, if you are are male with serious mental health issues. In my view, this sort of finding needs attention. Maybe firearms permits should require regular updates or renewals? Not sure what the best solution would be. I'll also add that lack of a gun will not likely prevent a motivated person from killing himself. Suicide rates remain distressingly high in places where guns are less readily available and not part of the cultural fabric.
And as for Dunks 'rigid' views, well, i guess it depends on which side of the fence you sit on in relation to the isssue. I don't see his views as rigid, I'm on the same page as him, and believe tougher gun regulations have to be enforced.
Tougher gun laws or not this country has to do something to avoid hideous incidents like this one in Massachusetts. Maybe mandatory gun shooting and handling lessons for any gun purchase, like you in trying to obtain a drivers license.
Criminal Charges in Death of Boy Who Shot Himself at Gun Show
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)