parents, milk is bad

DewieCox

No milk before bed, unless you are gonna brush their teeth. That's what I've read since we had our daughters.

Anything dirty left on your teeth overnight will wreak havoc on your teeth, moreso than the rest of the day, seemingly.The saliva doesn't cycle through as much and your mouth is hot and moist. It's a real scum mansion.

thesewordselope

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

Having worked in dental office that does General Anaesthesia on children I can say that this is more normal than not. We have seen children as young as 2 with multiple cavities due to milk and juice being allowed to sit in the mouth all night (bottle rot). Having the teeth taken out, even though the new ones will be coming in within a few years is not a good idea as the baby teeth hold the spot for the adult teeth, and if they are not there you will be spending alot more on orthodontics. The cost does sound about right though, GA is very expensive and in Canada is not always covered by most insurance policies.... Dont feel bad though, it happens more than you think, and you have to remember that not everyones teeth are as strong as others, which also makes things like this more common unfortunately.

dunkman

CanadasPearl wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

Having worked in dental office that does General Anaesthesia on children I can say that this is more normal than not.

because you've worked in a dental office you can clarify with absolute certainty that more children under the age of 2 have cavities than children who dont?

I've just asked my daughter... out of 17 girls in her class only one girl has a filling... and she's 7.

this is NOT more normal than not...

there are no facts to back this up. so no offence to some posters on here... but this milk causing fillings thing must be on Snopes or something as i simply dont believe it.

Claireack

My son had a bottle at bedtime 'til he was four, after he had brushed his teeth. I felt that the benefits outweighted the risks. He had and still has great teeth (he's 12 now). Move worrying for me was when on his routine check they asked me to keep a food/drink diary for him and come back the following week. Everything was great except one thing, instead of giving him a sugar free juice I had opted to give him a juice that was high in natural fruit juices, or just straight natural juices, I thought it was healthier for him, not a good move the acid really wasn't doing his teeth any good. I thought that by going for the more 'natural' option I was doing him a favour, obviously not. Although I did hear/read somewhere that if you ate a piece of cheese after fruit juices it will neutralize the acids - but that may be an old wives tale.

DewieCox

http://www.animated-teeth.com/tooth_dec ... caries.htm

Rygar

dunkman wrote:

CanadasPearl wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

Having worked in dental office that does General Anaesthesia on children I can say that this is more normal than not.

because you've worked in a dental office you can clarify with absolute certainty that more children under the age of 2 have cavities than children who dont?

I've just asked my daughter... out of 17 girls in her class only one girl has a filling... and she's 7.

this is NOT more normal than not...

there are no facts to back this up. so no offence to some posters on here... but this milk causing fillings thing must be on Snopes or something as i simply dont believe it.

Maybe she meant the part about putting kids to sleep

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

CanadasPearl wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

Having worked in dental office that does General Anaesthesia on children I can say that this is more normal than not.

because you've worked in a dental office you can clarify with absolute certainty that more children under the age of 2 have cavities than children who dont?

I've just asked my daughter... out of 17 girls in her class only one girl has a filling... and she's 7.

this is NOT more normal than not...

there are no facts to back this up. so no offence to some posters on here... but this milk causing fillings thing must be on Snopes or something as i simply dont believe it.

dunk, are you not getting it?
it's not milk ALONE. it is only amongst those who allow their children to go to BED with a BOTTLE of milk (or juice as mentioned by the poster you quoted) it's the combination of milk to bed, sleeping with a bottle...no tooth brushing! so amongst those who allowed such practices, more than likely, that is where the poster is saying it is more normal than not to develop cavities. milk causing cavities, all by itself, no...that most definitely is not normal. i find nowadays hardly any kids get cavities at all anymore, so much better preventaative treatments and such. glad to see that happening in the UK too.


this part:

CanadasPearl wrote:

We have seen children as young as 2 with multiple cavities due to milk and juice being allowed to sit in the mouth all night (bottle rot)

now if she is suggesting it is more common for ALL children under 2 to get cavities than not, you bet...i'm with you on that one. however, i was reading it (and all the other posts that agree with the statement) to be the combination of milk + bed + no tooth brushing = common cause for cavities in young children.



btw - just as an aside, i just checked out the nutrition panel on whole milk and indeed, clearly, it states: 1 cup of milk contains 12 grams of sugar. yes, they are naturally occurring sugars within the milk, but indeed, SUGAR. i had always known milk contained sugar, but i saw someone post that it does not. it does. many, many naturl foods contain sugars. yes, they are different from table sugar, but sugar none the less...and letting anything with any sugar sit on your teeth overnight, night after night, no brushing...you bet....can most definitely cause cavities.

Horos

Just would like to add that this is old news. Doctors told me not to let my children go to bed with a bottle over 20 years ago.

thesewordselope

dunkman wrote:

CanadasPearl wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

Having worked in dental office that does General Anaesthesia on children I can say that this is more normal than not.

because you've worked in a dental office you can clarify with absolute certainty that more children under the age of 2 have cavities than children who dont?

I've just asked my daughter... out of 17 girls in her class only one girl has a filling... and she's 7.

this is NOT more normal than not...

there are no facts to back this up. so no offence to some posters on here... but this milk causing fillings thing must be on Snopes or something as i simply dont believe it.

I never said that children under 2 have more cavities than not, I meant that having to do GA on children under 2 is more common than people would think. I believe I also said "milk and juice". Its also not the sugar so much as the acid in the milk that break down the teeth when left sitting for a long time. I still work in a dental office and explain this to patients on a regular basis. I do know what Im talking about

decides2dream

Horos wrote:

Just would like to add that this is old news. Doctors told me not to let my children go to bed with a bottle over 20 years ago.

seriously. i am 40 and i remember the little girl next door and her baby teeth were all rotted (tho not to the point of needing to be replaced, or maybe they just didn't do it back then) b/c she went to bed each night with a milk bottle. poor kid had to go thru her early toddler years with terrible teeth until her new teeth came in.


i edited it in my last post, but just to correlate:

btw - just as an aside, i just checked out the nutrition panel on whole milk and indeed, clearly, it states: 1 cup of milk contains 12 grams of sugar. yes, they are naturally occurring sugars within the milk, but indeed, SUGAR. i had always known milk contained sugar, but i saw someone post that it does not. it does. many, many naturl foods contain sugars. yes, they are different from table sugar, but sugar none the less...and letting anything with any sugar sit on your teeth overnight, night after night, no brushing...you bet....can most definitely cause cavities.

he still stands

mmm I love milk. A gallon per week as long as I can remember.

jimed14

Milk was a bad choice.

pineapplesandwaves.

decides2dream wrote:

Horos wrote:

Just would like to add that this is old news. Doctors told me not to let my children go to bed with a bottle over 20 years ago.

seriously. i am 40 and i remember the little girl next door and her baby teeth were all rotted (tho not to the point of needing to be replaced, or maybe they just didn't do it back then) b/c she went to bed each night with a milk bottle. poor kid had to go thru her early toddler years with terrible teeth until her new teeth came in.
.

The same thing happened to my Mom's friend's son (early '80s). They put him to bed with his bottle each night and his teeth rotted. I believe they ended up pulling two of them.

There's no difference between sending your kid to bed with a mouthful of candy or a bottle.

Dissidentman

Damn, I often put myself to bed with a bottle.

Lizard

Dissidentman wrote:

Damn, I often put myself to bed with a bottle.

How're your teeth looking???

Dissidentman

Lizard wrote:

Dissidentman wrote:

Damn, I often put myself to bed with a bottle.

How're your teeth looking???

Teeth?

mca47

Cavities or not, I think drinking a glass of milk is disgusting!

I used to drink it as a kid, but man...I haven't had a glass of milk in probably 10 years. Bleh!

I do like a little non-fat in my coffee from time to time though...

DewieCox

mca47 wrote:

Cavities or not, I think drinking a glass of milk is disgusting!

I used to drink it as a kid, but man...I haven't had a glass of milk in probably 10 years. Bleh!

I do like a little non-fat in my coffee from time to time though...

I don't drink milk like I used to, but a tall class of milk, with a few ice cubes tossed in it is pretty darn good.

acoustic guy

Nothingman54 wrote:

Thorns2010 wrote:

Ummmm...don't get me wrong, cavities aren't a good thing. But that he can't live with them for 3-4 years??

Granted I'm not a dentist, but that just seems silly to me.

Also how do they know it was milk that caused it?

he was still drinking a bottle to go to sleep.something about the proteins in the milk break up teeth. he is not having them anymore, now its almost 2am and he wont go to sleep but im not gonna give in. i dont think it would be healthy for him to have rotting teeth until he is 5.

You are supposed to pull the bottle out of their mouth as soon as they fall asleep to prevent this. Of course the milk will cause cavities. Its in every parenting book out there. You can dilute the milk with 3/4 water also.

TravisTheSky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE

Above is a 5 minute story from the show Inside Edition 11 years ago. [Edit: Oops! It's "Hard Copy."] It makes a lot of gross points about bovine milk.

I'm vegetarian, but not vegan as I allow organic cheese in my diet. In cheese, the lactose (milk sugar) is no longer present. I had gone 7 years without drinking milk, and decided to taste it again: It was salty, bitter body fluid! It's disgusting to know that I used to enjoy the substance simply because I was habituated to it.

Do your own research about the protein myth. Humans only need 30-35 grams per day. Excessive amounts cause osteoporosis: Protein is acidic. To balance the body's pH, calcium is leeched out of bone (calcium is alkaline.) Taking calcium supplements doesn't help much. Most of it is is blocked by the intestinal wall to prevent nearby organs calcifying.