parents, milk is bad

Nothingman54

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

mookeywrench

never happened to me, but why not just get the teeth extracted rather than capped? or is it the aenestetic (sp??) that's causing the huge expense?

Thorns2010

Ummmm...don't get me wrong, cavities aren't a good thing. But that he can't live with them for 3-4 years??

Granted I'm not a dentist, but that just seems silly to me.

Also how do they know it was milk that caused it?

Nothingman54

mookeywrench wrote:

never happened to me, but why not just get the teeth extracted rather than capped? or is it the aenestetic (sp??) that's causing the huge expense?

what have the teeth removed? his 2 front teeth are being capped, i dont think it would be easy for him to bit into food with no front top teeth. but yeah most of it is the aenestetic.

Nothingman54

Thorns2010 wrote:

Ummmm...don't get me wrong, cavities aren't a good thing. But that he can't live with them for 3-4 years??

Granted I'm not a dentist, but that just seems silly to me.

Also how do they know it was milk that caused it?

he was still drinking a bottle to go to sleep.something about the proteins in the milk break up teeth. he is not having them anymore, now its almost 2am and he wont go to sleep but im not gonna give in. i dont think it would be healthy for him to have rotting teeth until he is 5.

Jennytree

That's the oddest thing I've ever heard. Are you giving him formula or cow's milk?

Nothingman54

Jennytree wrote:

That's the oddest thing I've ever heard. Are you giving him formula or cow's milk?

just normal milk. nobody i talk to has ever head of it. i guess just the dentist know. dirty little secret they dont share with anybody else.

EquallyWorthless

never heard the before.

EquallyWorthless

this first thing that came to my mind though was....

"Oh, bones...so...brittle, but I drink plenty of .... MALK?"

DinghyDog

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Nothingman54

DinghyDog wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

you need to qualify your statement. MILK itself did not cause it - GIVING HIM A BOTTLE TO GO TO BED WITH is what caused it. we brush our 3 year old and 18 month old's teeth before they go to bed, after milk, for this exact reason.

no point in saying "parents, milk is bad". utter rubbish.

yes he was having a bottle milk did do it. the bottle itself did not do it. the dentist said he could have a water bottle. google it.

dunkman

i simply dont believe this story... no offence OP... I have 2 young kids and our dentist says their teeth are perfect.. never had anything done to them at all... aged 7 and just turned 6... the 6 year old drinks one cup of milk every morning and one at night.

her teeth have no decay whatsoever...



According to a recent research conducted in the US, tooth decay can be reduced in children if they are encouraged to drink milk. So, can milk help with tooth decay? Yes, as per this research. The results of this research were published in the Journal of the American Dental Association and it said that children who drank more soft drinks in comparison to milk and pure fruit juice were at higher risk of tooth decay.

The research studies 369 children aged between 3 and 5 years at the beginning of the study and then again after two years. It was found that children who drank less soft drink at the beginning of the study but ended up increasing their consumption as they grew older were 1.75 times more likely to have tooth decay compared to children who drank a lot of milk and fresh fruit juice.

This results of the new research are similar to other studies previously conducted in the UK and the US which also concurred that children who had high intake of milk ended up with fewer cavities.

The reason for this astonishing result is very simple. Milk contains proteins, calcium and phosphorus. These help protect the teeth by forming a protective layer over the enamel of the teeth. And, high levels of calcium and phosphorus prevent demineralization of the tooth enamel which occurs when children consume acidic foods and drinks.

dunkman

Nothingman54 wrote:

DinghyDog wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

you need to qualify your statement. MILK itself did not cause it - GIVING HIM A BOTTLE TO GO TO BED WITH is what caused it. we brush our 3 year old and 18 month old's teeth before they go to bed, after milk, for this exact reason.

no point in saying "parents, milk is bad". utter rubbish.

yes he was having a bottle milk did do it. the bottle itself did not do it. the dentist said he could have a water bottle. google it.

is his teeth brushed after or before the milk bottle is given?

MrMerkinball

Nothingman - this is very normal.

Milk has lots of sugar in it. It's almost like going to bed with a sucker.

To ween them of the bottle of milk, my wife and I would just put half milk, half water for a few days, and slowly move over to just water. It works and within a week or so, they don't need or want milk at night.

Have you been brushing his teeth at night and in the morning?

dunkman

MrMerkinball wrote:

Nothingman - this is very normal.

Milk has lots of sugar in it. It's almost like going to bed with a sucker.

To ween them of the bottle of milk, my wife and I would just put half milk, half water for a few days, and slowly move over to just water. It works and within a week or so, they don't need or want milk at night.

Have you been brushing his teeth at night and in the morning?

not wishing to argue with anyone as this is bad enough for the kid needing treatment... but it is not very normal. It's very rare for a child under the age of 5 to have cavities... so its not normal.

also milk doesnt have a lot of sugar in it... it has lactose, and its quite a small amount really... and lactose is slightly different to what we would all call sugar. it is vital for the development of newborn humans and animals... but sugar it isnt.

MrMerkinball

dunkman wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

Nothingman - this is very normal.

Milk has lots of sugar in it. It's almost like going to bed with a sucker.

To ween them of the bottle of milk, my wife and I would just put half milk, half water for a few days, and slowly move over to just water. It works and within a week or so, they don't need or want milk at night.

Have you been brushing his teeth at night and in the morning?

not wishing to argue with anyone as this is bad enough for the kid needing treatment... but it is not very normal. It's very rare for a child under the age of 5 to have cavities... so its not normal.

also milk doesnt have a lot of sugar in it... it has lactose, and its quite a small amount really... and lactose is slightly different to what we would all call sugar. it is vital for the development of newborn humans and animals... but sugar it isnt.

Arguing is ok....Maybe I was wronmg in saying it's normal. But it is not abnormal.

Our Pediatrician told us that putting your kid to bed with a bottle of milk could result in tooth decay. It has also happened to two friends of ours. Maybe it's not suger per se, however milk can get very sticky, and it sticks to the teeth overnight.

dunkman

MrMerkinball wrote:

dunkman wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

Nothingman - this is very normal.

Milk has lots of sugar in it. It's almost like going to bed with a sucker.

To ween them of the bottle of milk, my wife and I would just put half milk, half water for a few days, and slowly move over to just water. It works and within a week or so, they don't need or want milk at night.

Have you been brushing his teeth at night and in the morning?

not wishing to argue with anyone as this is bad enough for the kid needing treatment... but it is not very normal. It's very rare for a child under the age of 5 to have cavities... so its not normal.

also milk doesnt have a lot of sugar in it... it has lactose, and its quite a small amount really... and lactose is slightly different to what we would all call sugar. it is vital for the development of newborn humans and animals... but sugar it isnt.

Arguing is ok....Maybe I was wronmg in saying it's normal. But it is not abnormal.

Our Pediatrician told us that putting your kid to bed with a bottle of milk could result in tooth decay. It has also happened to two friends of ours. Maybe it's not suger per se, however milk can get very sticky, and it sticks to the teeth overnight.

i would say it is abnormal... abnormal means differing from the usual... the usual in this case is that 99% of kids teeth who drink milk and dont eat too many sweets/candy/fizzy drinks/etc will not have cavities.

many many studies have shown teeth are better protected by milk drinkers. no offence to your pediatrician but he/she is not a dentist. or a food stuffs expert.

its like saying "hey kids dont eat oranges or bananas as they contain sugar" ... milk contains sugar but it has way more fat in it that sugar for instance... but everything in moderation is healthy. especially milks, fruits, etc for young children.

and i dont know why i missed this... but how the fuck is this treatment costing $2000!!!!! in the UK all dental treatment for kids under 16 is totally free.... get with the fucking times America. :roll:

thats more shocking to me than anything about milk causing decay. truly.

Dissidentman

Remember when PETA was trying to tell parents to give kids soda instead of milk? Now that was redonculous.

Get_Right

unfortunately, some children do get cavities from milk. especially if they dont brush after having a bottle
apparently it can be even worse with breast milk, which apparently has even more sugars


sorry for your child, and for your wallet-be glad is not something worse.

blackredyellow

DinghyDog wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

you need to qualify your statement. MILK itself did not cause it - GIVING HIM A BOTTLE TO GO TO BED WITH is what caused it. we brush our 3 year old and 18 month old's teeth before they go to bed, after milk, for this exact reason.

no point in saying "parents, milk is bad". utter rubbish.

egg-zactly...

We have a 20 month old, and every thing that we've read, and heard from our pediatrician was that once they have teeth, they shouldn't have their last bottle in bed.. falling asleep and having the milk sit in their mouths for a long time can cause tooth decay... but I would guess that falling asleep with any food/drink product in your mouth just sitting there would cause tooth decay. Would you let your kid have a snack in bed?

to the OP, do you brush your kid's teeth at night? It only takes a couple of minutes and we do during his night-time routine when changing his diaper before bed and stuff.

decides2dream

blackredyellow wrote:

DinghyDog wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

all my life i was told milk is good, drink lots of milk its good for your bones and teeth. WRONG! my 2 year old now has 4 cavities because of milk. my wife and i never heard that milk causes cavities. now its gonna cost 2,000 dollars to put caps on 2 of them and fillings for the other 2. they have to put him to sleep because he wont stay still, kicks and screams. 2000 dollars we have to spend. his teeth will fall out in 3 years, what a waste. has this happen to body else?

you need to qualify your statement. MILK itself did not cause it - GIVING HIM A BOTTLE TO GO TO BED WITH is what caused it. we brush our 3 year old and 18 month old's teeth before they go to bed, after milk, for this exact reason.

no point in saying "parents, milk is bad". utter rubbish.

egg-zactly...

We have a 20 month old, and every thing that we've read, and heard from our pediatrician was that once they have teeth, they shouldn't have their last bottle in bed.. falling asleep and having the milk sit in their mouths for a long time can cause tooth decay... but I would guess that falling asleep with any food/drink product in your mouth just sitting there would cause tooth decay. Would you let your kid have a snack in bed?

to the OP, do you brush your kid's teeth at night? It only takes a couple of minutes and we do during his night-time routine when changing his diaper before bed and stuff.

there it is. a few people have already said it, but it seems to be overlooked. milk, in and of itself, is healthy and will not cause decay. the reason milk may cause decay, is when taken in bed, sans brushing. and no, i am no dentist nor have children, but i read a LOT on nutrition and health related articles, period. and i have heard of this. also, young children should consume whole milk, but i think once they are 5-7, it's suggested to start weaning them off full-fat to 2% and/or skim since the milk fat is no longer that beneficial to their growth.


to the OP, sorry to read of your child's dental woes.


ha!
this just happened to be on the MSN homepage today:
http://www.slate.com/id/2229630/?GT1=38001
had the hook "why the british have bad teeth"....hahaha....but really, it is about the american dental system, written by an expat UKer.