The Zeitgeist Movement

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    he still stands wrote:
    Fair enough. Just because Bush/Reagan/Clinton (whoever, not trying to be partisan) didn't pull the trigger does that not mean they have blood on their hands? BUT I still have a hard time not believing that ignorance (Wilsonian idealism), strongly-held beliefs that AREN'T evil but ARE stupid (we can defeat communism/terrorism for the good of the human race), and general psychosis... causes that sort of behavior just as much, or more, than greed.

    But, point taken and I agree (to a point). :)
    it seems to me that the wars on terrorism and communism and drugs are just pretexts for actions ultimately motivated by greed and the lust for power. its always a war on something-and it all sounds very nice and wonderful and they claim to have our best interests in mind. but its always war, and the empire keeps growing.
  • done1980
    done1980 Posts: 6
    he still stands wrote:
    To say that "money is the root of all evil," or "greed is the root of all evil," or "capitalism..." etc... I think is a bit short-sighted.

    Money is just a form of energy, something to exchange for goods/services without exchanging something tangible. Forms of money have been around for literally millenia, because bartering has some significant downfalls that are worse than using a currency backed by nothing (except CONFIDENCE in the NATION backing the note). Certainly, money creates many problems for people (including myself) but to say that it is "the root of all evil" or even that "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil" is simply not true. What is the alternative to using currency (whether it is backed by nothing or backed by Gold, doesn't really matter)?

    I guess the alternative is a truely FREE MARKET, no taxes, no usury (interest), no landlordism, NO STATE, NO PRIVILEGE. (otherwise known as anarchy)

    That has my vote... but who is organizing the world revolt? :) I don't see any alternatives to using currency in our current form of capitalistic, "democratic" world society, and if you don't join the gang you won't get far in life.

    It may not be the root of ALL evil but the monetary system seems to cause many problems today which could otherwise be avoided. Individuals, corporations, and governments engage in corruption to what end if not for a profit?
    Money is not a form of energy, it is not real. I agree monetary systems have been around for millenia but that does not mean we can't move on to something better. Money is used to barter for scarce resources, if we can eliminate scarity why would we still use money. Scarcity is perpetuated by the monetary system because it increases profit. We are so indoctrinated into the monetary system that it is hard to step outside it (mentally) and see it for what it is, and impossible to avoid it and get far in life as you mentioned.
  • done1980
    done1980 Posts: 6
    polaris_x wrote:
    done1980 wrote:
    All behavior comes from the environment, 2 kids fight over a toy not because they're selfish by nature but because there is only one toy. When people have to compete for everything they have selfishness almost becomes like a survival mechanism. People need to pile things up today because they can't be sure if they will be there tomorrow. A system designed to produce abundance eliminates this. I think once the system was in place and had people's confidence materialistic selfishness would be a thing of the past

    abundance = excess ... which is a huge problem in this world ... and we all know abundance solves nothing as some people will just want more of stuff ... that's where greed comes in ...

    When I say abundance I am refering to life's basic needs, food, shelter, education, health care, all at the highest quality technically possible. Providing this for everyone, while maintaining a respectful relationship with the earth, is priority #1. I agree abundance of certain things would be excessive and negative.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    done1980 wrote:
    When I say abundance I am refering to life's basic needs, food, shelter, education, health care, all at the highest quality technically possible. Providing this for everyone, while maintaining a respectful relationship with the earth, is priority #1. I agree abundance of certain things would be excessive and negative.

    ok ... i suppose it's just our usage of words here ...

    i agree especially with our relationship with earth - but i would also say that right now - there is plenty of food, water, etc - the problem is that the greed of others are exploiting the basic needs of everyone ...
  • ryanevolution
    ryanevolution Posts: 782
    I am bringing this thread back! Why? Because nobody answered the OP. It became an esoteric bs session about "money".


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