Roman Polanski AKA "The Rapist"

acoustic guy

Suprised non of you are talking about this.
Now I am SURE many of you here will defend him, which is why I started this thread.
If you do think he should not be held accountable for raping a 13 year old girl, I would like to know why.

I personally think that he should not be rewarded for avoiding jail for 30 years. What kind of message does that send to others? If it was a woman in my family I would be furious. They say that the girl who it happened too says she want to drop it and move forward but she is not the law. Of course she does not want old horrible feelings to come back to haunt her. I dont blame her but its not for her to decide this mans fate.
Bottom line is that he raped a 13 year old girl no matter how long ago it was, or how brilliant people think he is, he should be in jail period.

You're thoughts?

CJMST3K

but... he's famous. like pete townsend and urkel.

soulsinging

acoustic guy wrote:

Suprised non of you are talking about this.
Now I am SURE many of you here will defend him, which is why I started this thread.
If you do think he should not be held accountable for raping a 13 year old girl, I would like to know why.

I personally think that he should not be rewarded for avoiding jail for 30 years. What kind of message does that send to others? If it was a woman in my family I would be furious. They say that the girl who it happened too says she want to drop it and move forward but she is not the law. Of course she does not want old horrible feelings to come back to haunt her. I dont blame her but its not for her to decide this mans fate.
Bottom line is that he raped a 13 year old girl no matter how long ago it was, or how brilliant people think he is, he should be in jail period.

You're thoughts?

1. There was a thread on it.

2. Glad you admit to trying to bait people.

3. The victim should have the most say in how such things are handled and it's pretty fucked up that you act like we're all awful people that would condone rape and then a few sentences later casually dismiss the victim's feelings on the matter as irrelevant because what really matters is your thirst for revenge if it ever happened to your loved one.

4. It's too late to do anything for Polanski. He's been convicted and fled his sentence and if he's extradited here he should go to jail. Them's the rules.

polaris_x

haha ... love these kind of threads - trying to call people out without having a clue that many already shared their views on it and it's opposite of what the OP thought ...

just goes to show that when we're discussing things on here - not all of it sinks in and that some people have preconceived notions of what others think ...

acoustic guy

soulsinging wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Suprised non of you are talking about this.
Now I am SURE many of you here will defend him, which is why I started this thread.
If you do think he should not be held accountable for raping a 13 year old girl, I would like to know why.

I personally think that he should not be rewarded for avoiding jail for 30 years. What kind of message does that send to others? If it was a woman in my family I would be furious. They say that the girl who it happened too says she want to drop it and move forward but she is not the law. Of course she does not want old horrible feelings to come back to haunt her. I dont blame her but its not for her to decide this mans fate.
Bottom line is that he raped a 13 year old girl no matter how long ago it was, or how brilliant people think he is, he should be in jail period.

You're thoughts?

1. There was a thread on it.

2. Glad you admit to trying to bait people.

3. The victim should have the most say in how such things are handled and it's pretty fucked up that you act like we're all awful people that would condone rape and then a few sentences later casually dismiss the victim's feelings on the matter as irrelevant because what really matters is your thirst for revenge if it ever happened to your loved one.

4. It's too late to do anything for Polanski. He's been convicted and fled his sentence and if he's extradited here he should go to jail. Them's the rules.

I am not trying to bait anyone. I just know their are many liberals here and we usually dont agree on things so I wanted to see that their thought were. Dismiss the victims feelings??? SO we should run our courts depending on how vicitms feel about the matter? Wow.....

acoustic guy

polaris_x wrote:

haha ... love these kind of threads - trying to call people out without having a clue that many already shared their views on it and it's opposite of what the OP thought ...

just goes to show that when we're discussing things on here - not all of it sinks in and that some people have preconceived notions of what others think ...

No argument there.

decides2dream

acoustic guy wrote:

Suprised non of you are talking about this.

and i'm surprised you couldn't manage to go to page 2 on this very forum and see a very clearly titled thread on this very topic instead of coming on here with an already skewed perspective of those here and what they might believe or not. oh wait a minute, nah...not surprised at all.


hereya go:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=112731


perhaps most of the responses will 'surprise' you, since you clearly already have quite the biased view of what most here think. enjoy!

soulsinging

acoustic guy wrote:

I am not trying to bait anyone. I just know their are many liberals here and we usually dont agree on things so I wanted to see that their thought were. Dismiss the victims feelings??? SO we should run our courts depending on how vicitms feel about the matter? Wow.....

No, but we should consider the impact our decisions have on the victim when choosing the proper course of action within the justice system. Here, there just aren't any options. It's done. But YOUR feelings on what should be done are less important than hers.

And you were trying to bait people. You said so outright. What else does "Now I am SURE many of you here will defend him, which is why I started this thread" mean? Own your bullshit man.

Kel Varnsen

soulsinging wrote:

3. The victim should have the most say in how such things are handled and it's pretty fucked up that you act like we're all awful people that would condone rape and then a few sentences later casually dismiss the victim's feelings on the matter as irrelevant because what really matters is your thirst for revenge if it ever happened to your loved one.

Except isn't it pretty common for rape victims to want everything to just go away, even if it means the person who assualted them never even sees the inside of a court room, much less a jail cell? Plus if this type of thing becomes all up to the victim, how do you stop criminals from paying off victims or threatening them to keep them from involving the police? From what I understand the victim in this case received a large cash settlement.

soulsinging

Kel Varnsen wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

3. The victim should have the most say in how such things are handled and it's pretty fucked up that you act like we're all awful people that would condone rape and then a few sentences later casually dismiss the victim's feelings on the matter as irrelevant because what really matters is your thirst for revenge if it ever happened to your loved one.

Except isn't it pretty common for rape victims to want everything to just go away, even if it means the person who assualted them never even sees the inside of a court room, much less a jail cell? Plus if this type of thing becomes all up to the victim, how do you stop criminals from paying off victims or threatening them to keep them from involving the police?

I never said it should be all up to the victim. I said that they should have the most say and be the biggest consideration when we look at what to do with criminals. That's why we have rape shield laws... to help victims feel safer about pressing charges because we don't want them to feel they have to choose between letting the perpetrator walk or a nightmarish trial process. And criminals try to pay off and threaten victims all the time... how do we deal with that now?

acoustic guy

hereya go:
http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic ... 3&t=112731



Okay....I read a lot of the other thread. I really dont see where any of you are giving you're opinon there. Maybe one or two but thats it. Its mostly about the case but no one is giving their thoughts on what should happen to him. Did I miss something?

decides2dream

acoustic guy wrote:

Okay....I read a lot of the other thread. I really dont see where any of you are giving you're opinon there. Maybe one or two but thats it. Its mostly about the case but no one is giving their thoughts on what should happen to him. Did I miss something?

apparently, b/c by giving our thoughts on the case, etc....kinda illustrates what we think should happen. it seemed to me the general consensus was that he should pay for his crimes and be brought to justice. that ANYone who has done what he has, should be brought to justice and pay the consequences.

acoustic guy

decides2dream wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Okay....I read a lot of the other thread. I really dont see where any of you are giving you're opinon there. Maybe one or two but thats it. Its mostly about the case but no one is giving their thoughts on what should happen to him. Did I miss something?

apparently, b/c by giving our thoughts on the case, etc....kinda illustrates what we think should happen. it seemed to me the general consensus was that he should pay for his crimes and be brought to justice. that ANYone who has done what he has, should be brought to justice and pay the consequences.

Well hey! we agree! because of tis I will not be so quick to judge next time! promise.

decides2dream

acoustic guy wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Okay....I read a lot of the other thread. I really dont see where any of you are giving you're opinon there. Maybe one or two but thats it. Its mostly about the case but no one is giving their thoughts on what should happen to him. Did I miss something?

apparently, b/c by giving our thoughts on the case, etc....kinda illustrates what we think should happen. it seemed to me the general consensus was that he should pay for his crimes and be brought to justice. that ANYone who has done what he has, should be brought to justice and pay the consequences.

Well hey! we agree! because of tis I will not be so quick to judge next time! promise.

awesome.

acoustic guy wrote:

Suprised non of you are talking about this.
Now I am SURE many of you here will defend him, which is why I started this thread.

b/c yea, NOT the best way to have an enlightened discussion, starting with preconceived notions of what you think those who participate may think. and hey, you are not the only one to use that tactic here, not at all but sure, i personally think it makes for better discussion w/o all that BS. besides, new people join this forum all the time, so best to check our preconceived notions of 'everyone' here at the door, b/c honestly....ya never know...

scb's thread IS an extremely interesting read!

tybird

soulsinging wrote:

4. It's too late to do anything for Polanski. He's been convicted and fled his sentence and if he's extradited here he should go to jail. Them's the rules.

Yes, just because you are famous or have many famous friends does not mean that the rules do not apply to you.

WaveCameCrashin

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

soulsinging

tybird wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

4. It's too late to do anything for Polanski. He's been convicted and fled his sentence and if he's extradited here he should go to jail. Them's the rules.

Yes, just because you are famous or have many famous friends does not mean that the rules do not apply to you.

Unless you're OJ.

soulsinging

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

Nope. That's pretty dumb of them. He was charged and convicted 30 years ago... they're a bit late.

tybird

soulsinging wrote:

tybird wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

4. It's too late to do anything for Polanski. He's been convicted and fled his sentence and if he's extradited here he should go to jail. Them's the rules.

Yes, just because you are famous or have many famous friends does not mean that the rules do not apply to you.

Unless you're OJ.

rebornFixer

Hmmm ... I am largely with acoustic guy on this one. Consent of the minor in question does not somehow make statutory rape legal, and all these celebs (not to mention governments!) willing to let this guy off the hook is more than a tad disturbing. You do the crime, you do the time, and by the legal definition this guy commited a pedophilic act. Why should be be let off the hook because he's an (arguably) talented filmmaker?

soulsinging

rebornFixer wrote:

Hmmm ... I am largely with acoustic guy on this one. Consent of the minor in question does not somehow make statutory rape legal, and all these celebs (not to mention governments!) willing to let this guy off the hook is more than a tad disturbing. You do the crime, you do the time, and by the legal definition this guy commited a pedophilic act. Why should be be let off the hook because he's an (arguably) talented filmmaker?

Just fyi, there was no consent of the minor. This crime happened 30 years ago. The victim, who is now in her 40s I think, has simply said she wishes it would just be over so that she can move on with her life and not keep getting dragged back into this. Of course, at this point, extraditing and jailing him probably doesn't require her involvement... so perhaps she just wishes reporters would stop hounding her about it every time it comes up.

rebornFixer

soulsinging wrote:

Just fyi, there was no consent of the minor. This crime happened 30 years ago. The victim, who is now in her 40s I think, has simply said she wishes it would just be over so that she can move on with her life and not keep getting dragged back into this. Of course, at this point, extraditing and jailing him probably doesn't require her involvement... so perhaps she just wishes reporters would stop hounding her about it every time it comes up.

Fair enough, and I can undertstand the victim's viewpoint in this. The media should leave her alone. As you state, though, none of this has any bearing on the perpetrator's legal status.

decides2dream

rebornFixer wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Just fyi, there was no consent of the minor. This crime happened 30 years ago. The victim, who is now in her 40s I think, has simply said she wishes it would just be over so that she can move on with her life and not keep getting dragged back into this. Of course, at this point, extraditing and jailing him probably doesn't require her involvement... so perhaps she just wishes reporters would stop hounding her about it every time it comes up.

Fair enough, and I can undertstand the victim's viewpoint in this. The media should leave her alone. As you state, though, none of this has any bearing on the perpetrator's legal status.

btw - you and acoustic guy are not alone in your thinking, many here...and elsewhere i am sure...are in full agreement.

cincybearcat

Why is this even a question...the only question is what the hell took so long. Put the rapist in jail.

cincybearcat

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

tybird

cincybearcat wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

I bet Woody Allen signed it....doesn't he like'em young too? :twisted:

rebornFixer

tybird wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

I bet Woody Allen signed it....doesn't he like'em young too? :twisted:

He did, actually.

norm

cincybearcat wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

well you asked

has now been signed by more than 70 film industry luminaries, including Polanski's fellow directors Michael Mann, Wim Wenders, Pedro Almodóvar, Darren Aronofsky, Terry Gilliam, Julian Schnabel, the Dardenne brothers, Alejandro González Iñárritu, Wong Kar-Wai, Walter Salles and Jonathan Demme. Actors Tilda Swinton, Monica Bellucci and Asia Argento, as well as producer Harvey Weinstein have also put their names on the petition. Yesterday, Weinstein stated he was "calling on every film-maker we can to help fix this terrible situation".

http://gawker.com/5370226/free-roman-po ... oody-allen


i'd be interested to know if these asshats would give to shits if polanski was plant manager or some other profession they consider beneath them

fucking scumbags

CJMST3K

rebornFixer wrote:

tybird wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

I bet Woody Allen signed it....doesn't he like'em young too? :twisted:

He did, actually.

...actually it was his adopted daughter, however consensual.

CJMST3K

norm wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Has anyone seen the petition that supposedly around 100 or so actors signed saying that he shouldn't be charged ?

No, do you have the list of names? I'd like to know who is ok with raping 13 year old girls.

well you asked

has now been signed by more than 70 film industry luminaries, including Polanski's fellow directors Michael Mann, Wim Wenders, Pedro Almodóvar, Darren Aronofsky, Terry Gilliam, Julian Schnabel, the Dardenne brothers, Alejandro González Iñárritu, Wong Kar-Wai, Walter Salles and Jonathan Demme. Actors Tilda Swinton, Monica Bellucci and Asia Argento, as well as producer Harvey Weinstein have also put their names on the petition. Yesterday, Weinstein stated he was "calling on every film-maker we can to help fix this terrible situation".

http://gawker.com/5370226/free-roman-po ... oody-allen


i'd be interested to know if these asshats would give to shits if polanski was plant manager or some other profession they consider beneath them

fucking scumbags

+1

rebornFixer

CJMST3K wrote:

...actually it was his adopted daughter, however consensual.

No, I meant he signed the petition. But yes, that too.