I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to mean.
I guess what you don't know *really* can't hurt you.
For a really good example listen to the Death Magnetic CD, and then go find the rip from the Guitar Hero version. The GH version is nowhere near as "loud" as the CD and you can hear all kinds of stuff that you cannot hear at all on the CD. I am no way an audiophile and my untrained ear can hear a world of difference betwen the tow.
Also, throw in a Vs. CD and crank the volume all the way. Then try that with Self Titled.
I think "Loud" is a bad term for it personally. It is easy to misunderstand what it means.
And Backspacer is nowhere near as bad as Self Titled. At least I can turn Backspacer up in the car and not have it distort out.
I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to mean.
I guess what you don't know *really* can't hurt you.
For a really good example listen to the Death Magnetic CD, and then go find the rip from the Guitar Hero version. The GH version is nowhere near as "loud" as the CD and you can hear all kinds of stuff that you cannot hear at all on the CD. I am no way an audiophile and my untrained ear can hear a world of difference betwen the tow.
Also, throw in a Vs. CD and crank the volume all the way. Then try that with Self Titled.
I think "Loud" is a bad term for it personally. It is easy to misunderstand what it means.
And Backspacer is nowhere near as bad as Self Titled. At least I can turn Backspacer up in the car and not have it distort out.
Well, Loudness is appropriate because it's the EQing that has all the instruments (and vocals) all at the same level and in your face. Furthermore, these brickwalled discs are mixed at a higher (louder level).
So yeah, Loudness ism accurate. As is excessive compression.
You clearly don't understand the concept of EQ Loudness and excessive Compression.
Excessive EQ Loudness robs the music of it's dynamic crescendos and dyanamic peeks. And in doing so, it robs the music of it's soul, natural melodic balance and emotion.
As well, it creates a HUGE amount of nasty, excessively bright and harsh distorion that highlights third order harmonics.
Essentially, what that does....is ...it prevents one from cranking one's stereo system and utilizing one's stereo system at it's best.
Hey.. there these things out there called girls and they are really interesting. You might want to check them out.
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Who cares about sound quality really? I'm perfectly happy with my 128k MP3's and cheap earbuds. I still have a black & white TV and an 8-track catridge player too. I don't have time to upgrade that stuff, I've got beer to drink and frat parties to go to and girls to fuck...
Who cares about sound quality really? I'm perfectly happy with my 128k MP3's and cheap earbuds. I still have a black & white TV and an 8-track catridge player too. I don't have time to upgrade that stuff, I've got beer to drink and frat parties to go to and girls to fuck...
That's the spirit!
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
You clearly don't understand the concept of EQ Loudness and excessive Compression.
Excessive EQ Loudness robs the music of it's dynamic crescendos and dyanamic peeks. And in doing so, it robs the music of it's soul, natural melodic balance and emotion.
As well, it creates a HUGE amount of nasty, excessively bright and harsh distorion that highlights third order harmonics.
Essentially, what that does....is ...it prevents one from cranking one's stereo system and utilizing one's stereo system at it's best.
well put dude, very well explained. i think most listeners won't pick up on it though - the majority will be concentrating on melody and lyrical content. i do feel the compression is not as overdone as on S/T though.
it is interesting that audio quality does actually influence our love for songs in the end - factors like loudness and compression can make a huge difference as to how soon our ears are fatigued and how quickly it takes us to get sick of listening to a song. while most will say that they don't give a fuck about sound quality (and i have to say i'm one of these people to a degree!), it'll be affecting them without even knowing... scary!
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Who cares about sound quality really? I'm perfectly happy with my 128k MP3's and cheap earbuds. I still have a black & white TV and an 8-track catridge player too. I don't have time to upgrade that stuff, I've got beer to drink and frat parties to go to and girls to fuck...
Huh?
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Who cares about sound quality really? I'm perfectly happy with my 128k MP3's and cheap earbuds. I still have a black & white TV and an 8-track catridge player too. I don't have time to upgrade that stuff, I've got beer to drink and frat parties to go to and girls to fuck...
wow, some people have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much free time. seriously, it's just a rock and roll album. you're a little too into your little stereo system there if you have any understanding of what these douche nozzles are talking about. go get laid, seriously.
Rather than make fun of people who are interested in audio quality, why not just enjoy the music and leave this thread alone? We're all on a message board to discuss Pearl Jam. Telling someone to get laid or get a life is the worst kind of pot calling the kettle black. And if you can't tell the difference in mastering between albums like No Code and S/T good for you. I envy you.
I agree with the above poster who commented on a brickwalled recording influencing your opinion of a song or recording. It's the reason I rarely revisit S/T.
For me, it's a long term thing. I'll listen to and love any PJ album when it comes out but, as stated, if it's hard to listen to, I eventually stop.
I haven't payed much attention to the sound of Backspacer yet because I'm still digesting the material (which I love). Glad to hear it's a step in the right direction.
Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
why do you think PJ puts there stuff on vinyl, doucher. music mixes digitally now, homo. are we seriously bitching about this?
Did this guy seriously just use the word Homo in a sentence? Thats pretty fucked up.
So what! He was trying to tell you - music mixes digitally now! Music used to mix vinylish! But now it mixes digitally! So get used to loud volumes fucker! Why would you complain about not bein able to listen to loud music without gettin hearin damage? Hearin damage is ok now that music mixes digitally!
I'm going pretty much going deaf from years of listening to music, so my ears don't know the difference. What I do know is that Backspacer sounds awesome to me, so that's all that matters.
And I'm not living this life without you, I'm selfish and clear
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
Granted I doubt any of you will actually watch the videos, because you are all so busy out there getting laid and what not
Since I wasn't out getting laid and whatnot tonight I read through this thread and watched these videos and I find this really fascinating. I've always thought "older" music sounded better but I never knew why. So thanks for posting!
I watched those videos WHILE I was getting laid (by my wife). OK not exactly. But I bet both will happen tonight.
TMI I'm sure. I'm just saying it's possible to love quality audio and live a normal life, regardless of what the hard of hearing on this board may intimate.
Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
Some of you people have such a narrow, limited and naive view of life.
I'll tell you right now, there's no better evening then laying back in your bed getting a nice, slow BJ; while your high quality stereo system washes Pearl Jam's Benny Hall over you. Eargasmic...Orgasmic.
You think loving high quality audio and stereo gear is exclusive from getting laid?
Naive littie children.
Music and the love of music.....and the love of high quality audio....is absolutely inclusive with making love to the woman you love and getting oh so down and dirty; while sweet, smooth, emotional melodies bathe our bodies.
Now run along and go play with your little Ipuds and mp3s.
first of all, fuck yeah to this quote. Second, who the hell is bitching about how things are recorded? Jesus. Some people just need to have something to complain about.
You're on a musical artist's message board, because you allegedly love their music (and other music, I would assume). A website dedicated to and based on the artist's music. So music is the central focus, here.
And you don't care how well music is recorded or how it's produced; in terms of sound quality?
Oh man, too funny. Without a doubt the educational system is a trainwreck.
That's like saying ....You love food, but you eat Burger King, Chinese Take Out and Subway all day and all week
You're on a musical artist's message board, because you allegedly love their music (and other music, I would assume). A website dedicated to and based on the artist's music. So music is the central focus, here.
And you don't care how well music is recorded or how it's produced; in terms of sound quality?
Oh man, too funny. Without a doubt the educational system is a trainwreck.
That's like saying ....You love food, but you eat Burger King, Chinese Take Out and Subway all day and all week
Dude, it's produced and mixed by Brendan O'Brien. You don't question that shit. This guy knows exactly what he's doing. You can question it if you want, but trying to bring the education system into it is just moronic. If you like yield, shut the fuck up.
You're on a musical artist's message board, because you allegedly love their music (and other music, I would assume). A website dedicated to and based on the artist's music. So music is the central focus, here.
And you don't care how well music is recorded or how it's produced; in terms of sound quality?
Oh man, too funny. Without a doubt the educational system is a trainwreck.
That's like saying ....You love food, but you eat Burger King, Chinese Take Out and Subway all day and all week
Dude, it's produced and mixed by Brendan O'Brien. You don't question that shit. This guy knows exactly what he's doing. You can question it if you want, but trying to bring the education system into it is just moronic. If you like yield, shut the fuck up.
This dude is angry tonight. Snorted too much coke or something.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
You're on a musical artist's message board, because you allegedly love their music (and other music, I would assume). A website dedicated to and based on the artist's music. So music is the central focus, here.
And you don't care how well music is recorded or how it's produced; in terms of sound quality?
Oh man, too funny. Without a doubt the educational system is a trainwreck.
That's like saying ....You love food, but you eat Burger King, Chinese Take Out and Subway all day and all week
Dude, it's produced and mixed by Brendan O'Brien. You don't question that shit. This guy knows exactly what he's doing. You can question it if you want, but trying to bring the education system into it is just moronic. If you like yield, shut the fuck up.
This dude is angry tonight. Snorted too much coke or something.
yep, just doing tons of blow off of hookers' asses
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For a really good example listen to the Death Magnetic CD, and then go find the rip from the Guitar Hero version. The GH version is nowhere near as "loud" as the CD and you can hear all kinds of stuff that you cannot hear at all on the CD. I am no way an audiophile and my untrained ear can hear a world of difference betwen the tow.
Also, throw in a Vs. CD and crank the volume all the way. Then try that with Self Titled.
I think "Loud" is a bad term for it personally. It is easy to misunderstand what it means.
And Backspacer is nowhere near as bad as Self Titled. At least I can turn Backspacer up in the car and not have it distort out.
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Well, Loudness is appropriate because it's the EQing that has all the instruments (and vocals) all at the same level and in your face. Furthermore, these brickwalled discs are mixed at a higher (louder level).
So yeah, Loudness ism accurate. As is excessive compression.
Hey.. there these things out there called girls and they are really interesting. You might want to check them out.
That's the spirit!
for the least they could possibly do
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...is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
it is interesting that audio quality does actually influence our love for songs in the end - factors like loudness and compression can make a huge difference as to how soon our ears are fatigued and how quickly it takes us to get sick of listening to a song. while most will say that they don't give a fuck about sound quality (and i have to say i'm one of these people to a degree!), it'll be affecting them without even knowing... scary!
Huh?
this man knows how to live
Did this guy seriously just use the word Homo in a sentence? Thats pretty fucked up.
I agree with the above poster who commented on a brickwalled recording influencing your opinion of a song or recording. It's the reason I rarely revisit S/T.
For me, it's a long term thing. I'll listen to and love any PJ album when it comes out but, as stated, if it's hard to listen to, I eventually stop.
I haven't payed much attention to the sound of Backspacer yet because I'm still digesting the material (which I love). Glad to hear it's a step in the right direction.
So what! He was trying to tell you - music mixes digitally now! Music used to mix vinylish! But now it mixes digitally! So get used to loud volumes fucker! Why would you complain about not bein able to listen to loud music without gettin hearin damage? Hearin damage is ok now that music mixes digitally!
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
Now that is funny! So true So funny!
What's so fucked up about using the word homo?
Oh yeah you're right, I guess if you are a white trash neanderthal, or a frat boy it is totally normal. But for most adults, it is a tad offensive.
it's a shame this even has to be explained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTBoMlsw-0I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ
Granted I doubt any of you will actually watch the videos, because you are all so busy out there getting laid and what not
Since I wasn't out getting laid and whatnot tonight I read through this thread and watched these videos and I find this really fascinating. I've always thought "older" music sounded better but I never knew why. So thanks for posting!
TMI I'm sure. I'm just saying it's possible to love quality audio and live a normal life, regardless of what the hard of hearing on this board may intimate.
I'll tell you right now, there's no better evening then laying back in your bed getting a nice, slow BJ; while your high quality stereo system washes Pearl Jam's Benny Hall over you. Eargasmic...Orgasmic.
You think loving high quality audio and stereo gear is exclusive from getting laid?
Naive littie children.
Music and the love of music.....and the love of high quality audio....is absolutely inclusive with making love to the woman you love and getting oh so down and dirty; while sweet, smooth, emotional melodies bathe our bodies.
Now run along and go play with your little Ipuds and mp3s.
first of all, fuck yeah to this quote. Second, who the hell is bitching about how things are recorded? Jesus. Some people just need to have something to complain about.
And you don't care how well music is recorded or how it's produced; in terms of sound quality?
Oh man, too funny. Without a doubt the educational system is a trainwreck.
That's like saying ....You love food, but you eat Burger King, Chinese Take Out and Subway all day and all week
Dude, it's produced and mixed by Brendan O'Brien. You don't question that shit. This guy knows exactly what he's doing. You can question it if you want, but trying to bring the education system into it is just moronic. If you like yield, shut the fuck up.
This dude is angry tonight. Snorted too much coke or something.
for the least they could possibly do
yep, just doing tons of blow off of hookers' asses
Hope those guys at least shaved for you.
for the least they could possibly do