listen to that...Fuckin beastly fills. especially at 2:03 O_O
I'll admit. Dave never met a splash cymbal he couldn't bash the fuck out of ad nauseum.
I mean, I don't hate the guy. But he was like a big dumb animal behind the kit. I prefer a more cerebral approach.
big dumb animal? whatcha got against tommy boy?
but seriously, i agree with whoever above said matt sounded great in soundgarden. he sounded great with them. but i feel like his style has never totally meshed with pj. though bs sounds like they may have finally nailed it on album.
but seriously, i agree with whoever above said matt sounded great in soundgarden. he sounded great with them. but i feel like his style has never totally meshed with pj. though bs sounds like they may have finally nailed it on album.
There ya go. Dave was the Tommy Boy of drummers.
Strange thing about Matt ... I kind of liked his drumming immediately after joining the band (go listen to some of those '98 boots from the US tour) than the Binaural/Riot Act period. I think Ed broke him somehow.
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I actually don't get that at all. That dude never plays the same fill twice. Again, go listen to GTF from the '98 tour. It's phenomenal. The end was filled with all these crazy rolls. I don't know what Ed did to him, but he doesn't play it the same way anymore.
That said, he's still a pretty creative drummer.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
This is the most comfortable and natural the band has sounded since Matt joined. The album feels as effortless as the last 3 have sounded forced.
Exactly how I feel too. Althought I don't believe Jack was the best for PJ, I believe that Matt does feel the best and most at ease over the past few albums.
PJamGrungeFan, I think Dave A. was too flashy for the band. The video of Fuck Me In The Brain that you posted did have some cool fills but the one you specifically mentioned was shit. He almost lost the beat because the fill didn't fit. Listen to Given To Fly for the fill before the second verse. THAT is a fill. Dave hit the cymbals too much. Ad nauseum was the term eloquently proffered earlier. Matt has been in many successful bands because he is a wonderful drummer. Where is Dave A.?
And yes, Matt is a robot. His timing is impeccable.
PJamGrungeFan, I think Dave A. was too flashy for the band. The video of Fuck Me In The Brain that you posted did have some cool fills but the one you specifically mentioned was shit. He almost lost the beat because the fill didn't fit. Listen to Given To Fly for the fill before the second verse. THAT is a fill. Dave hit the cymbals too much. Ad nauseum was the term eloquently proffered earlier. Matt has been in many successful bands because he is a wonderful drummer. Where is Dave A.?
And yes, Matt is a robot. His timing is impeccable.
I'm a huge Dave A. fan but overall I'll stick with Cameron. His mastery of unorthdox time signatures and insane tom fills puts him over the top.
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This is the most comfortable and natural the band has sounded since Matt joined. The album feels as effortless as the last 3 have sounded forced.
Exactly how I feel too. Althought I don't believe Jack was the best for PJ, I believe that Matt does feel the best and most at ease over the past few albums.
Matt does make Backspacer his bitch, for sure.
Jack was good for one album—Yield. His loose style fit perfectly with that record. He was too sloppy on No Code.
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Jack was good for one album—Yield. His loose style fit perfectly with that record. He was too sloppy on No Code.
Yep, not to mention the main issue, which is that he couldn't keep up with any of their faster stuff live - which is essentially why he left the band, because he didn't have the energy for the live shows. That's not to say he was a bad drummer, his work on Yield was brilliant, but he didn't have the stamina that Matt has.
I think Dave A. seems to get a free pass too, when he was playing with the band, their live shows were a fraction of the length they are now. I would imagine that any drummer playing for upwards of two hours would need to pace themselves.
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I agree but I think there's some real Matt Jeff man love going on there awesome bass line for this album they have really bounced off each other.
and as far as PJ drummers go Matt's the shit take a big wiff
the matt/jeff man love has been going on since 98. i bet jeff is happy to have a drummer that can keep up with him.
don't forget the matt/jeff man love featured in temple of the dog back in the beginning - TOTD was basically PJ as they are now but with chris cornell singing. some good shit there but the best song for me just happens to have a certain ed vedder singing a certain second verse and chorus...
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i'd much rather have a loyal committed wife who gels with me perfectly than a sexy flashy showoff who pissed me off. just saying i'd rather have matt as my wife than dave a.
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PJamGrungeFan, I think Dave A. was too flashy for the band. The video of Fuck Me In The Brain that you posted did have some cool fills but the one you specifically mentioned was shit. He almost lost the beat because the fill didn't fit. Listen to Given To Fly for the fill before the second verse. THAT is a fill. Dave hit the cymbals too much. Ad nauseum was the term eloquently proffered earlier. Matt has been in many successful bands because he is a wonderful drummer. Where is Dave A.?
And yes, Matt is a robot. His timing is impeccable.
I'm a huge Dave A. fan but overall I'll stick with Cameron. His mastery of unorthdox time signatures and insane tom fills puts him over the top.
exactly....I am a drummer and Dave A is great but Matt is far superior. He isn't as flashy but to say Dave A is a "better" drummer is ignorant.
Next we'll hear that Dave A is better because he had a bigger drum kit
give me a break....
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I think the drumming on Gonna See My Friend is fucking insane, too. I like the way the bass drum pounds at our collective ears on Supersonic.
I keep going back and forth on which is better (which I like more)...the last minute or so of GSMF or the last minute or so of Supersonic. They are explosive performances. I also really like his performance in Speed of Sound. Many disagree, but I feel he has captured the rhythm of the demo and unified the parts of the song that seemed uneven without his performance. I have been focusing on his drums alone on that song and they tell their own story so to speak.
Matt is infinitely times more creative than dave, i really dont understand how this can be debated.
Sure Dave had a great groove and finesse to his playing, but that was just his style. When do you ever see him doing something different? He never really played great fills. I like drummers that utilize the toms, not cymbals. He always played the songs pretty much the same every time, sure he played them great, but he never did anything different.
Matt is CONSTANTLY changing the way he plays songs. I just listened to a version of Corduroy (East Ruthorford 06 i think) where he just RANDOMLY started playing on the floor toms and flamming during the solo, name a drummer that will do that. He makes up different drum beats and fills on the fly thats its just ridiculous. He adds this completely odd dynamic to the band that you dont get from other drummers. Listen to how he used to play evenflow in 98 (LO2L). I listen to that and say to myself "who plays like that?" but in only a good way. Listen to any live version of RVM and get back to me on that. If you seriously think his playing is bad on that I seriously think you are crazy. His playing during the jam during that song are always insane. He will play about 4 or 5 beats alone during that jam and they all mesh so well with the rest of the band. Listen to Torino 06 RVM, there is one part during the jam that IMO just automatically proves hes better than dave. He plays on the ride exremely fast and melodically and then goes into these so incredibly off beat tom fills that match up perfectly with mikes guitar playing. Any of you who bought the itunes LP of Backspacer listen to the interview with BoB. He mentions how Matt is one of the best drummer in the industry, if not the best...I can go on and on with this so Im just gonna say one more thing:
Force of Nature is what Yield would've sounded like if Matt played for Yield.
I super agree that Matt's style compliments this record very well. His feel on "Gonna See My Friend" and "Force of Nature" are perfect. I don't think Jack or Dave would have played those songs quite as well. It's hard not compare the other guys to Matt but how perfect would he have been to record "Last Exit". And Matt has taken older stuff like "In My Tree" to superstar status in a live set. I love Jack Irons but to me that song was a bit boring until Matt influenced it and shaped it. All the PJ drummers were excellent at what times, though. Maybe in a perfect world I'd probably have Dave, Jack and Matt rotating throughout the set.
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......i'm just pointing that out.
Since I made it known that I prefer Matt, I'm waiting for someone to tell me I only hate Dave A because Ed hated him and I'm a sheep.
for the least they could possibly do
big dumb animal? whatcha got against tommy boy?
but seriously, i agree with whoever above said matt sounded great in soundgarden. he sounded great with them. but i feel like his style has never totally meshed with pj. though bs sounds like they may have finally nailed it on album.
There ya go. Dave was the Tommy Boy of drummers.
Strange thing about Matt ... I kind of liked his drumming immediately after joining the band (go listen to some of those '98 boots from the US tour) than the Binaural/Riot Act period. I think Ed broke him somehow.
for the least they could possibly do
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
Amen to that! He kills it on not only this song but the whole album.
I actually don't get that at all. That dude never plays the same fill twice. Again, go listen to GTF from the '98 tour. It's phenomenal. The end was filled with all these crazy rolls. I don't know what Ed did to him, but he doesn't play it the same way anymore.
That said, he's still a pretty creative drummer.
for the least they could possibly do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlj3O7KLCzo&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHz68GUHy3I&fmt=18
Yeah...
Yes, I think Matt is a better drummer. I think most people would tell you the same.
But in the end, it is a matter of personal preference, which is why it doesn't make a shit-ton of sense to go back and forth like this.
Dave A wasn't terrible ... I suppose he fit in with the band at that time. But it's not like the band got rid of Keith Moon when they kicked him out.
for the least they could possibly do
Dave A. is God. That is all.
This board never ceases to amaze me
Well, I'm kind of only joking. But only kind of.
You're free to blame Stone if you like.
for the least they could possibly do
Exactly how I feel too. Althought I don't believe Jack was the best for PJ, I believe that Matt does feel the best and most at ease over the past few albums.
Matt does make Backspacer his bitch, for sure.
And yes, Matt is a robot. His timing is impeccable.
I'm a huge Dave A. fan but overall I'll stick with Cameron. His mastery of unorthdox time signatures and insane tom fills puts him over the top.
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Jack was good for one album—Yield. His loose style fit perfectly with that record. He was too sloppy on No Code.
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Yep, not to mention the main issue, which is that he couldn't keep up with any of their faster stuff live - which is essentially why he left the band, because he didn't have the energy for the live shows. That's not to say he was a bad drummer, his work on Yield was brilliant, but he didn't have the stamina that Matt has.
I think Dave A. seems to get a free pass too, when he was playing with the band, their live shows were a fraction of the length they are now. I would imagine that any drummer playing for upwards of two hours would need to pace themselves.
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
exactly....I am a drummer and Dave A is great but Matt is far superior. He isn't as flashy but to say Dave A is a "better" drummer is ignorant.
Next we'll hear that Dave A is better because he had a bigger drum kit
give me a break....
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Matt sounds fantastic on this album i mean really if you can't hear that
I think the drumming on Gonna See My Friend is fucking insane, too. I like the way the bass drum pounds at our collective ears on Supersonic.
Dave > Matt
We all have opinions
I keep going back and forth on which is better (which I like more)...the last minute or so of GSMF or the last minute or so of Supersonic. They are explosive performances. I also really like his performance in Speed of Sound. Many disagree, but I feel he has captured the rhythm of the demo and unified the parts of the song that seemed uneven without his performance. I have been focusing on his drums alone on that song and they tell their own story so to speak.
Matt's the best around...
Sure Dave had a great groove and finesse to his playing, but that was just his style. When do you ever see him doing something different? He never really played great fills. I like drummers that utilize the toms, not cymbals. He always played the songs pretty much the same every time, sure he played them great, but he never did anything different.
Matt is CONSTANTLY changing the way he plays songs. I just listened to a version of Corduroy (East Ruthorford 06 i think) where he just RANDOMLY started playing on the floor toms and flamming during the solo, name a drummer that will do that. He makes up different drum beats and fills on the fly thats its just ridiculous. He adds this completely odd dynamic to the band that you dont get from other drummers. Listen to how he used to play evenflow in 98 (LO2L). I listen to that and say to myself "who plays like that?" but in only a good way. Listen to any live version of RVM and get back to me on that. If you seriously think his playing is bad on that I seriously think you are crazy. His playing during the jam during that song are always insane. He will play about 4 or 5 beats alone during that jam and they all mesh so well with the rest of the band. Listen to Torino 06 RVM, there is one part during the jam that IMO just automatically proves hes better than dave. He plays on the ride exremely fast and melodically and then goes into these so incredibly off beat tom fills that match up perfectly with mikes guitar playing. Any of you who bought the itunes LP of Backspacer listen to the interview with BoB. He mentions how Matt is one of the best drummer in the industry, if not the best...I can go on and on with this so Im just gonna say one more thing:
Force of Nature is what Yield would've sounded like if Matt played for Yield.
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