every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?
i read the article you posted - everyone comes to their own conclusions ... what makes yours more relevant than mine? did the guy off his rocker say "i killed him because he is an anti-abortionist"? ... if so, i'd believe it but this guy could just have easily annoyed him holding signs of dying cats from animal testing ... you draw your conclusions - so, will i ... unless there is proof - that's all we can do
I'm not drawing my own conclusions...I'm going off what the reports ACTUALLY say. you are making shit up. see the difference?
no ... all you are doing is showing your inability to understand what people have been trying to tell you ... all you are doing is showing how your personal biases clouds you from reality ... it is clear already that everyone here is opposed to his death ... but you still don't get it ...
I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. sure people are opposed to his death. but left alone, it would go unmentioned or discussed. much the opposite if and when a pro abortion activist is killed. then its a national tragedy.
I'm not drawing my own conclusions...I'm going off what the reports ACTUALLY say. you are making shit up. see the difference?
where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?
I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. sure people are opposed to his death. but left alone, it would go unmentioned or discussed. much the opposite if and when a pro abortion activist is killed. then its a national tragedy.
firstly ... you said that we wouldn't care and that it would be "good riddance" - we've already disproven your myth on that ... secondly - similar to the previous point ... if you have proof his motive was because it was because he was an anti-abotionist - then the topic is about abortion ... until you do - this is just another senseless murder that happens daily ... if we posted a thread about every senseless murder - this board would have new thread every minute ...
again - all you are showing is that you haven't listened to anything people have been trying to tell you as it relates to abortion ... not a lick ...
where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??
it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...
where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
Is it a coincidence that all right wingers are this slow?
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??
it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
WHERE does it say he says anything?? ... where does he make a statement? ... please provide evidence - that's all i ask ...
again for the 3rd or 4th time - are we to assume he hates all gravel pit owners?
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
WHERE does it say he says anything?? ... where does he make a statement? ... please provide evidence - that's all i ask ...
again for the 3rd or 4th time - are we to assume he hates all gravel pit owners?
I'm going off what the prosecutors have been saying.
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
“There was some displeasure with how open he was,” said Sara Edwards, the chief assistant prosecutor for Shiawassee County. “He tended to carry big signs with very graphic pictures of fetuses.”
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??
it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
I agree with you more times than not, but you are wrong here... No news article that I have read claimed that he shot the guy because of the signs or that he disagreed with the signs or his message.
The victim was a known demonstrator in the area, so that point was made that he has been doing it forever, but nothing is claiming that he was killed because of it, just that this unhinged nut killed some random people.
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I'm going off what the prosecutors have been saying.
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
“There was some displeasure with how open he was,” said Sara Edwards, the chief assistant prosecutor for Shiawassee County. “He tended to carry big signs with very graphic pictures of fetuses.”
so ... basically he NEVER did make a statement like you said ... and based on what you just posted yourself ... it's CLEARLY open to interpretation ... heck, if you read what you posted ... all they are saying for sure is that they think he didn't like the way the guy was protesting in front of schools ...
i really don't know what else to add? ... it should be obvious now no?
I'm going off what the prosecutors have been saying.
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
“There was some displeasure with how open he was,” said Sara Edwards, the chief assistant prosecutor for Shiawassee County. “He tended to carry big signs with very graphic pictures of fetuses.”
so ... basically he NEVER did make a statement like you said ... and based on what you just posted yourself ... it's CLEARLY open to interpretation ... heck, if you read what you posted ... all they are saying for sure is that they think he didn't like the way the guy was protesting in front of schools ...
i really don't know what else to add? ... it should be obvious now no?
I'm only echoing what the police and prosecutors are saying. its not open for interpretation.
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
again - where does he make a statement? ... he doesn't ... you have no proof - further arguing this shows your unwillingness to accept that you either misread something or made something up ...
the statement you provided was this:
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
VISIBLE STYLE of his regular protests ... NOTHING attributed to the him being an anti-abortionist! ... and the prosecutors clearly state they were UNCERTAIN if the broader political message was at issue ... so, you are clearly misrepresenting those statements ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12slay.html?_r=1
Ms. MacCleery said Friday’s shooting did not seem to her to be tied to the abortion debate since the suspect was also charged in the killing of the second man, Mike Fuoss, 61, the owner of a local gravel company, who did not appear to be involved in the abortion issue...
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue...'
http://news.aol.com/article/anti-aborti ... lon/666862
'The county's chief assistant prosecutor, Sara Edwards, said there didn't appear to be a "triggering event" but Pouillon's presence outside the school seemed to aggravate Drake. It was "the fact that he was outside the high school with his signs in front of children going to school," she said.'
'Its not open for interpretation'. Sure, It's a cut and dry case:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12slay.html 'Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.'
Yep, it's clear that Anti-Abortion killers also have a penchant for being Anti-Gravel too. I wonder what the third intended victim was guilty of? I suspect that he sold shoelaces. Someone told me once one time that Anti-Abortion killers don't like people who sell shoelaces, and gravel.
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
again - where does he make a statement? ... he doesn't ... you have no proof - further arguing this shows your unwillingness to accept that you either misread something or made something up ...
the statement you provided was this:
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
VISIBLE STYLE of his regular protests ... NOTHING attributed to the him being an anti-abortionist! ... and the prosecutors clearly state they were UNCERTAIN if the broader political message was at issue ... so, you are clearly misrepresenting those statements ...
I already said it was unclear whether his motives were driven by political beliefs. but its very clear he killed him, according to the police and prosecutors (not me), because of his style of protesting.
how can you say it has NOTHING to do with abortion when the protest style in question is about abortion.
how can you say it has NOTHING to do with abortion when the protest style in question is about abortion.
where do i say it has nothing to do with abortion?? ... all i have ever said that is based on the fact he went and killed the gravel pit guy and was gonna go kill a 3rd ... it isn't necessarily the case he was killed because he was an anti-abortionist ...
i already said you can draw your own conclusions but apparently mine are not allowed or incaccurate because of your fake proof ... based on misrepresentation and selective quoting ...
Being Pro-Choice does not mean you are Pro-Abortion or Pro-Death... it means you are Pro-Choice.
And I agree with everyone who says Death by murder is a horrible crime, for whatever reason... because it goes against the laws of civil society. And the criminal must be brought to justice.
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Also... since the Liberal Media is reportedly not following this case... I suggest that those of you whom see this as a Pro-Choice vs. Anti-Abortion battle, instead of a hothead psycho from a small town where everyone knows everyone else left his house with a gun to get himself some 'Street Justice', keep us Liberal Death Mongers up to date on this case as it moves throught our justice system.
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To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.
I wouldn't actually use the term "good riddance". But really, there are thousands and thousands of people who die every day from murders and car accidents. So I'm supposed to get all sad about the creep who showed gross pictures to little childeren? I don't think so.
To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.
I wouldn't actually use the term "good riddance". But really, there are thousands and thousands of people who die every day from murders and car accidents. So I'm supposed to get all sad about the creep who showed gross pictures to little childeren? I don't think so.
but you'll cry like little girl when a Dr who aborts nearly full term babies are murdered?
nice backtrack. too bad you've fully exposed your disgusting self.
I think you may be a few fries short of a happy meal.
It's not backtracking. It was in the same post where I said I didn't give a rats ass about the creep. I was just stating that I don't think anyone should die like that. If you would start to comprehend what people are saying to you, then things might get easier for you.
nice backtrack. too bad you've fully exposed your disgusting self.
I think you may be a few fries short of a happy meal.
It's not backtracking. It was in the same post where I said I didn't give a rats ass about the creep. I was just stating that I don't think anyone should die like that. If you would start to comprehend what people are saying to you, then things might get easier for you.
whatever you say buddy. your hate and bias is rather sickening.
nice backtrack. too bad you've fully exposed your disgusting self.
I think you may be a few fries short of a happy meal.
It's not backtracking. It was in the same post where I said I didn't give a rats ass about the creep. I was just stating that I don't think anyone should die like that. If you would start to comprehend what people are saying to you, then things might get easier for you.
whatever you say buddy. your hate and bias is rather sickening.
it sucks the guy died. but when you politicize things on school property someone is bound to get pissed. look at how uptight everyone got when obama wanted to talk to the kids and tell them to stay in school, yet it was ok for them to see dead fetus pictures at school all the time? if it was a private school i would have had no problem with it, but there is no place for that in a publicly funded school. it is a smaller town so i am sure that those two may have known each other or had a prior confrontation at one time. i have a hard time believeing that of all people to kill he happened to choose this guy.
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1. I think if this guy's death went unmentioned and undiscussed it would primarily because we all agree that it was a tragedy, so there's not much controversy except that which you're trying to stir up.
2. I can't help but notice that you don't give equal weight to the other guy's murder. Should we then accuse you of not caring or of being happy that that guy died? Of course not. Likewise, just because some of us haven't given equal time to the discussion of this guy's death as to Dr. Tiller's, it doesn't mean we don't care about him or are happy he died.
3. I don't believe it's clear that just because he didn't like the guy holding up a picture of an aborted fetus in front of a school it means that he killed the guy because of some pro-choice ideology, as was clear in in the case of Dr.Tiller's murder. He could very well support the message, but just not the method of delivery. He could have snapped because it reminded him of a child he lost to abortion, or fetal demise, or whatever. We really don't know.
4. Given that 2/3 of the people he intended to kill had nothing to do with the pro-choice movement, I think the guy's actions were more about his own personal problems than an attempt to make a statement on behalf of the pro-choice movement. The guy who killed Tiller was an active member of the "pro-life" movement, had a history of anti-abortion crime, and was very clear that he killed Dr. Tiller on behalf of that cause.
5. Yes, it's a tragedy that this guy died, as it is equally tragic when anyone dies. But with regard to politics and access to healthcare and women's rights, this guy's death simply doesn't have the same effect as Dr. Tiller's. Thousands of women will now go without adequate healthcare because of the death of Dr. Tiller - and this was the purpose of is murder. The nation lost 50% of our late-term abortion providers. Doctors across the contry are now more afraid to practice. Dr. Tiller was, in a sense, the leader of the pro-choice movement. I'm happy for this guy to have been able to do his part to support his cause, but comparing his death to Dr. Tiller's is like comparing the death of one of the millions of civil rights protesters to the death of Dr. King.
1. I think if this guy's death went unmentioned and undiscussed it would primarily because we all agree that it was a tragedy, so there's not much controversy except that which you're trying to stir up.
2. I can't help but notice that you don't give equal weight to the other guy's murder. Should we then accuse you of not caring or of being happy that that guy died? Of course not. Likewise, just because some of us haven't given equal time to the discussion of this guy's death as to Dr. Tiller's, it doesn't mean we don't care about him or are happy he died.
3. I don't believe it's clear that just because he didn't like the guy holding up a picture of an aborted fetus in front of a school it means that he killed the guy because of some pro-choice ideology, as was clear in in the case of Dr.Tiller's murder. He could very well support the message, but just not the method of delivery. He could have snapped because it reminded him of a child he lost to abortion, or fetal demise, or whatever. We really don't know.
4. Given that 2/3 of the people he intended to kill had nothing to do with the pro-choice movement, I think the guy's actions were more about his own personal problems than an attempt to make a statement on behalf of the pro-choice movement. The guy who killed Tiller was an active member of the "pro-life" movement, had a history of anti-abortion crime, and was very clear that he killed Dr. Tiller on behalf of that cause.
5. Yes, it's a tragedy that this guy died, as it is equally tragic when anyone dies. But with regard to politics and access to healthcare and women's rights, this guy's death simply doesn't have the same effect as Dr. Tiller's. Thousands of women will now go without adequate healthcare because of the death of Dr. Tiller - and this was the purpose of is murder. The nation lost 50% of our late-term abortion providers. Doctors across the contry are now more afraid to practice. Dr. Tiller was, in a sense, the leader of the pro-choice movement. I'm happy for this guy to have been able to do his part to support his cause, but comparing his death to Dr. Tiller's is like comparing the death of one of the millions of civil rights protesters to the death of Dr. King.
just read the OP and skimmed the last page......have to say, as ever scb, you summed it up nicely. it is absolutely tragic when anyone dies, most especially murdered, no matter their beliefs. i do not need to possess the same belief system as another to feel that their loss of life is tragic and wrong.
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I'm not drawing my own conclusions...I'm going off what the reports ACTUALLY say. you are making shit up. see the difference?
I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. sure people are opposed to his death. but left alone, it would go unmentioned or discussed. much the opposite if and when a pro abortion activist is killed. then its a national tragedy.
where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?
firstly ... you said that we wouldn't care and that it would be "good riddance" - we've already disproven your myth on that ... secondly - similar to the previous point ... if you have proof his motive was because it was because he was an anti-abotionist - then the topic is about abortion ... until you do - this is just another senseless murder that happens daily ... if we posted a thread about every senseless murder - this board would have new thread every minute ...
again - all you are showing is that you haven't listened to anything people have been trying to tell you as it relates to abortion ... not a lick ...
"all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??
it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...
Is it a coincidence that all right wingers are this slow?
the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
WHERE does it say he says anything?? ... where does he make a statement? ... please provide evidence - that's all i ask ...
again for the 3rd or 4th time - are we to assume he hates all gravel pit owners?
I'm going off what the prosecutors have been saying.
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
“There was some displeasure with how open he was,” said Sara Edwards, the chief assistant prosecutor for Shiawassee County. “He tended to carry big signs with very graphic pictures of fetuses.”
I agree with you more times than not, but you are wrong here... No news article that I have read claimed that he shot the guy because of the signs or that he disagreed with the signs or his message.
The victim was a known demonstrator in the area, so that point was made that he has been doing it forever, but nothing is claiming that he was killed because of it, just that this unhinged nut killed some random people.
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are we talking about the same story?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12slay.html
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
because he didn't like the activist holding a sign with graphic images of a fetus in front of students.
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http://news.aol.com/article/anti-aborti ... lon/666862
Police say the gunman had grudges against several people and didn't like Pouillon holding a sign with graphic images of a fetus in front of students.
I agree here. this is still unclear.
so ... basically he NEVER did make a statement like you said ... and based on what you just posted yourself ... it's CLEARLY open to interpretation ... heck, if you read what you posted ... all they are saying for sure is that they think he didn't like the way the guy was protesting in front of schools ...
i really don't know what else to add? ... it should be obvious now no?
I'm only echoing what the police and prosecutors are saying. its not open for interpretation.
again - where does he make a statement? ... he doesn't ... you have no proof - further arguing this shows your unwillingness to accept that you either misread something or made something up ...
the statement you provided was this:
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.
VISIBLE STYLE of his regular protests ... NOTHING attributed to the him being an anti-abortionist! ... and the prosecutors clearly state they were UNCERTAIN if the broader political message was at issue ... so, you are clearly misrepresenting those statements ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12slay.html?_r=1
Ms. MacCleery said Friday’s shooting did not seem to her to be tied to the abortion debate since the suspect was also charged in the killing of the second man, Mike Fuoss, 61, the owner of a local gravel company, who did not appear to be involved in the abortion issue...
Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue...'
http://news.aol.com/article/anti-aborti ... lon/666862
'The county's chief assistant prosecutor, Sara Edwards, said there didn't appear to be a "triggering event" but Pouillon's presence outside the school seemed to aggravate Drake. It was "the fact that he was outside the high school with his signs in front of children going to school," she said.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12slay.html
'Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.'
Yep, it's clear that Anti-Abortion killers also have a penchant for being Anti-Gravel too. I wonder what the third intended victim was guilty of? I suspect that he sold shoelaces. Someone told me once one time that Anti-Abortion killers don't like people who sell shoelaces, and gravel.
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I already said it was unclear whether his motives were driven by political beliefs. but its very clear he killed him, according to the police and prosecutors (not me), because of his style of protesting.
how can you say it has NOTHING to do with abortion when the protest style in question is about abortion.
no. he held a grudge against that person for reasons unknown. or at the least the police and prosecutors haven't said yet that i can find.
where do i say it has nothing to do with abortion?? ... all i have ever said that is based on the fact he went and killed the gravel pit guy and was gonna go kill a 3rd ... it isn't necessarily the case he was killed because he was an anti-abortionist ...
i already said you can draw your own conclusions but apparently mine are not allowed or incaccurate because of your fake proof ... based on misrepresentation and selective quoting ...
And I agree with everyone who says Death by murder is a horrible crime, for whatever reason... because it goes against the laws of civil society. And the criminal must be brought to justice.
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Also... since the Liberal Media is reportedly not following this case... I suggest that those of you whom see this as a Pro-Choice vs. Anti-Abortion battle, instead of a hothead psycho from a small town where everyone knows everyone else left his house with a gun to get himself some 'Street Justice', keep us Liberal Death Mongers up to date on this case as it moves throught our justice system.
Hail, Hail!!!
I wouldn't actually use the term "good riddance". But really, there are thousands and thousands of people who die every day from murders and car accidents. So I'm supposed to get all sad about the creep who showed gross pictures to little childeren? I don't think so.
It's not cool for anyone to die like this.
Shouldn't God have looked out for him?
but you'll cry like little girl when a Dr who aborts nearly full term babies are murdered?
nice backtrack. too bad you've fully exposed your disgusting self.
I think you may be a few fries short of a happy meal.
It's not backtracking. It was in the same post where I said I didn't give a rats ass about the creep. I was just stating that I don't think anyone should die like that. If you would start to comprehend what people are saying to you, then things might get easier for you.
whatever you say buddy. your hate and bias is rather sickening.
Ha.....you sure told me.
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2. I can't help but notice that you don't give equal weight to the other guy's murder. Should we then accuse you of not caring or of being happy that that guy died? Of course not. Likewise, just because some of us haven't given equal time to the discussion of this guy's death as to Dr. Tiller's, it doesn't mean we don't care about him or are happy he died.
3. I don't believe it's clear that just because he didn't like the guy holding up a picture of an aborted fetus in front of a school it means that he killed the guy because of some pro-choice ideology, as was clear in in the case of Dr.Tiller's murder. He could very well support the message, but just not the method of delivery. He could have snapped because it reminded him of a child he lost to abortion, or fetal demise, or whatever. We really don't know.
4. Given that 2/3 of the people he intended to kill had nothing to do with the pro-choice movement, I think the guy's actions were more about his own personal problems than an attempt to make a statement on behalf of the pro-choice movement. The guy who killed Tiller was an active member of the "pro-life" movement, had a history of anti-abortion crime, and was very clear that he killed Dr. Tiller on behalf of that cause.
5. Yes, it's a tragedy that this guy died, as it is equally tragic when anyone dies. But with regard to politics and access to healthcare and women's rights, this guy's death simply doesn't have the same effect as Dr. Tiller's. Thousands of women will now go without adequate healthcare because of the death of Dr. Tiller - and this was the purpose of is murder. The nation lost 50% of our late-term abortion providers. Doctors across the contry are now more afraid to practice. Dr. Tiller was, in a sense, the leader of the pro-choice movement. I'm happy for this guy to have been able to do his part to support his cause, but comparing his death to Dr. Tiller's is like comparing the death of one of the millions of civil rights protesters to the death of Dr. King.
just read the OP and skimmed the last page......have to say, as ever scb, you summed it up nicely. it is absolutely tragic when anyone dies, most especially murdered, no matter their beliefs. i do not need to possess the same belief system as another to feel that their loss of life is tragic and wrong.
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