Anti Abortion Activist gunned down

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)

    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.
  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    Sure it's "sad" when anyone is murdered, but let's be honest, it's human nature to sympathize more with some people than others. Saying that though, I'd say very few people were "happy" this guy was murdered.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.

    if your common sense believes this guy died because he was a pro-lifer - then post about it and say it's wrong ... why post it and then pre-berate people for not caring about this guy?

    from what i read - this guy died because some guy didn't like him ... it just so happens he was an anti-abortion activitist ... the guy that killed him was clearly off his rocker as he went and killed someone else he hated ...

    and lastly - your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ... do you not see how absurd your logic is?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2009
    polaris_x wrote:
    your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ...

    It's called baiting. It's what he does best.

    Apparently, unless we toe the line of his way of thinking then we are 'human scum'.


    Edit: Anyway, I said I'm taking a sabbatical from the M.T for a few days. The M.T just looks/feels ugly and boring right now. Too much pointless baiting and antagonism from certain familiar individuals. Shame 'The Face' aka 'Last Exodus' aka 'Brmlw' aka 'Encinoman' isn't around to contribute to the shit-slinging party, as then it could really descend a few notches.

    I'm out of here.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.

    if your common sense believes this guy died because he was a pro-lifer - then post about it and say it's wrong ... why post it and then pre-berate people for not caring about this guy?

    from what i read - this guy died because some guy didn't like him ... it just so happens he was an anti-abortion activitist ... the guy that killed him was clearly off his rocker as he went and killed someone else he hated ...

    every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?
    polaris_x wrote:
    and lastly - your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ... do you not see how absurd your logic is?

    simply pointing out peoples mind set. this board and the media in general. abortion Dr killed its a national tragedy. anti abortion activist killed, who cares.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Because of course the killer was a very rational person wasn't he? And does the report shed any light on his motives? No, not really. It's all a bit vague. He saw someone with a sign of a fetus outside a school and shot him because he didn't like him showing it to students. He then hunted down two other people who were completely unrelated, and for different reasons.

    So can we deduce from this that the killer went out with the sole purpose of shooting anti-abortion protesters? Nope.

    Can we deduce that the killer was something of a psycho who went out on a random shooting spree? Sounds more likely.

    Still, whatever suits your purpose of stirring shit up.

    Also, it's funny that Jlew pretends that he wasn't also banned for 6 weeks. I think the term he uses is 'I've been away for a while'. :lol:

    Seriously? It says he had a grudge against 3 people and it says he didn't liek the guy holding the signs by the school. What more information do you need? A wiki link?

    Sometimes I think people take up sides just to argue. Have some coffee, read it again, then post that you were wrong. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Byrnzie wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ...

    It's called baiting. It's what he does best.

    Apparently, unless we toe the line of his way of thinking then we are 'human scum'.


    Edit: Anyway, I said I'm taking a sabbatical from the M.T for a few days. The M.T just looks/feels ugly and boring right now. Too much pointless baiting and antagonism from certain familiar individuals. Shame 'The Face' aka 'Last Exodus' aka 'Brmlw' aka 'Encinoman' isn't around to contribute to the shit-slinging party, as then it could really descend a few notches.

    I'm out of here.

    Pretty sure you are one of the main reasons this thread became shit slinging. Bye bye now.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)

    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.


    You forget, Tiller was "fighting the good fight" keeping choice alive!!!!!

    All this guy did was try to shove his opinion and religious beliefs on others. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?

    i read the article you posted - everyone comes to their own conclusions ... what makes yours more relevant than mine? did the guy off his rocker say "i killed him because he is an anti-abortionist"? ... if so, i'd believe it but this guy could just have easily annoyed him holding signs of dying cats from animal testing ... you draw your conclusions - so, will i ... unless there is proof - that's all we can do
    jlew24asu wrote:
    simply pointing out peoples mind set. this board and the media in general. abortion Dr killed its a national tragedy. anti abortion activist killed, who cares.

    no ... all you are doing is showing your inability to understand what people have been trying to tell you ... all you are doing is showing how your personal biases clouds you from reality ... it is clear already that everyone here is opposed to his death ... but you still don't get it ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?

    i read the article you posted - everyone comes to their own conclusions ... what makes yours more relevant than mine? did the guy off his rocker say "i killed him because he is an anti-abortionist"? ... if so, i'd believe it but this guy could just have easily annoyed him holding signs of dying cats from animal testing ... you draw your conclusions - so, will i ... unless there is proof - that's all we can do

    I'm not drawing my own conclusions...I'm going off what the reports ACTUALLY say. you are making shit up. see the difference?

    polaris_x wrote:
    no ... all you are doing is showing your inability to understand what people have been trying to tell you ... all you are doing is showing how your personal biases clouds you from reality ... it is clear already that everyone here is opposed to his death ... but you still don't get it ...

    I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. sure people are opposed to his death. but left alone, it would go unmentioned or discussed. much the opposite if and when a pro abortion activist is killed. then its a national tragedy.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm not drawing my own conclusions...I'm going off what the reports ACTUALLY say. you are making shit up. see the difference?

    where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't get it. sure people are opposed to his death. but left alone, it would go unmentioned or discussed. much the opposite if and when a pro abortion activist is killed. then its a national tragedy.

    firstly ... you said that we wouldn't care and that it would be "good riddance" - we've already disproven your myth on that ... secondly - similar to the previous point ... if you have proof his motive was because it was because he was an anti-abotionist - then the topic is about abortion ... until you do - this is just another senseless murder that happens daily ... if we posted a thread about every senseless murder - this board would have new thread every minute ...

    again - all you are showing is that you haven't listened to anything people have been trying to tell you as it relates to abortion ... not a lick ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?

    "all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    "all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?

    you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??

    it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    where does it say he shot him because he is an anti-abortionist? ... please provide ANY proof ... feel free to use links previously not used ... really, i'd like to know ... all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs ... are we now to believe the killer hates all gravel pit owners?

    "all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?

    Is it a coincidence that all right wingers are this slow?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    "all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?

    you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??

    it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...

    the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    firstly ... you said that we wouldn't care and that it would be "good riddance" - we've already disproven your myth on that
    brandon10 wrote:
    To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.

    WHERE does it say he says anything?? ... where does he make a statement? ... please provide evidence - that's all i ask ...

    again for the 3rd or 4th time - are we to assume he hates all gravel pit owners?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.

    WHERE does it say he says anything?? ... where does he make a statement? ... please provide evidence - that's all i ask ...

    again for the 3rd or 4th time - are we to assume he hates all gravel pit owners?

    I'm going off what the prosecutors have been saying.

    Prosecutors said that the suspect had singled out Mr. Pouillon because of the visible style of his regular protests at the school, but that they were uncertain whether the broader political message of the protests was at issue.

    “There was some displeasure with how open he was,” said Sara Edwards, the chief assistant prosecutor for Shiawassee County. “He tended to carry big signs with very graphic pictures of fetuses.”
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    "all the reports say is that he shot a guy who held anti-abortion signs" what more proof do you need?

    you cannot be serious!? ... again - so, are we to believe he hates all gravel pit owners??

    it says the activist was an annoyance in the town - the accused is clearly off his rocker ... there are a plethora of motives - that is not even close to being proof ... like i said - you WANT to believe it's because of that - so, be it ... but that isn't enough for me especially considering he drove down the road to kill someone else that wasn't related to abortion at all ...

    the guy shot him because he didn't like the graphic anti abortion signs he displayed. the guy was clearly disturbed but he clearly says one of the reasons he shot the guy was because of his graphic anti abortion signs. you make it sound like I'm making that up.

    I agree with you more times than not, but you are wrong here... No news article that I have read claimed that he shot the guy because of the signs or that he disagreed with the signs or his message.

    The victim was a known demonstrator in the area, so that point was made that he has been doing it forever, but nothing is claiming that he was killed because of it, just that this unhinged nut killed some random people.
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