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Anti Abortion Activist gunned down

jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
edited September 2009 in A Moving Train
not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
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  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/

    Very sad indeed. I myself am in support of a woman having the choice but its not my right to dictate to others through violence
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    philthehip wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/

    Very sad indeed. I myself am in support of a woman having the choice but its not my right to dictate to others through violence
    Agreed. Rest in Peace.
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    why is it just sad the anti abortion activist was gunned down when he wasnt the only one, your man killed more than him, and its very sad indeed
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    it must suck to be you jlew, always thinking the worst of people. you are so negative, and seem to have zero faith in anyone.

    It is a very sad story indeed.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    it must suck to be you jlew, always thinking the worst of people. you are so negative, and seem to have zero faith in anyone.

    It is a very sad story indeed.

    it actually doesn't suck to be me. life is really good. what sucks is the bias and human scum that troll this board. no doubt there are people happy this guy got gunned down. if not happy, at the least not sadden that one more "far right anti abortion nut" is gone.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    jlew24asu wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    not much sympathy around here I suppose but still a sad story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    it must suck to be you jlew, always thinking the worst of people. you are so negative, and seem to have zero faith in anyone.

    It is a very sad story indeed.

    it actually doesn't suck to be me. life is really good. what sucks is the bias and human scum that troll this board. no doubt there are people happy this guy got gunned down. if not happy, at the least not sadden that one more "far right anti abortion nut" is gone.
    I think its disgusting a man got murdered, plain and simple. What his beliefs are shouldn't matter, he should not ahve been killed for them.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    maybe I was being a little harsh. I would like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they do find these killings sad. my apologies.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    keeponrockin wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    it must suck to be you jlew, always thinking the worst of people. you are so negative, and seem to have zero faith in anyone.

    It is a very sad story indeed.

    it actually doesn't suck to be me. life is really good. what sucks is the bias and human scum that troll this board. no doubt there are people happy this guy got gunned down. if not happy, at the least not sadden that one more "far right anti abortion nut" is gone.
    I think its disgusting a man got murdered, plain and simple. What his beliefs are shouldn't matter, he should not ahve been killed for them.


    I saw this on The Rachel Madow Show and all I could think was why is it that a person can't protest in PEACE regardless of what that person is protesting. It's sad his life had to end that way, people need to Stay Human.

    peace
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    A shame... I can't imagine feeling so mad or desperate or whatever the mix of emotions that it must take to decide to go out and kill people that bother you for one reason or another.

    Thoughts and prayers go out to both victims who were killed.
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  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    this violence is not the way to solve anything. it is sad. but why was this guy "gunned down" when the dudes that live in the hood, or your average citizin just "gets shot"? gunned down sounds very dramatic to me, and to me implies martyrdom, or a hero getting killed. i would say "gunned down" when talking about abe lincoln, MLK, RFK, JFK, and reagan had he been killed, but to me this guy just got shot. end of story. its sad but that is how i see it.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    "Pouillon, known as "the sign man" for his years of in-your-face protests against abortion, was a polarizing figure in Owosso, a town of 15,000 best known as the birthplace of 1948 Republican presidential candidate Thomas Dewey. While inhaling oxygen from a small tank, he could usually be seen with his anti-abortion signs outside schools, the library, city hall, even football games."

    there ya go, i amsure someone might have gotten pissed because he help up his sign on government property like schools, city hall, and even FOOTBALL GAMES??? nobody wants to see that shit, that is just asking for trouble when you politicize schools and football games.

    on an aside, why is it ok for school kids to see his sign with an aborted fetus on it when it is nearly a sin for kids to listen to the president's address to them? is it because the sign fits more with the agenda of the right? either way the dude is dead now. mildly ironic here how people who support gun rights still see no problem when one of their own gets shot.
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  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    brandon10 wrote:
    To be honest, I don't find it all that sad. Lots of people die everyday. And there are many people who die everyday that lead a more cival existence than this fellow.

    Well maybe if it ever happened to someone you loved you would feel different. These people had families. Parents who will bury their children.

    I hope you never feel the pain of a person you love being murdered for someones petty intolerance.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    It's sad when anyone is killed. On that note, let's not forget the other guy who was killed too.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    How do we know that the man was shot because he was an Anti-abortion protester? Looks like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact that he was an anti-abortion protester had little to do with it. The owner of the gravel business wasn't shot just because he happened to own a gravel business. Looks like there were other factors at play.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    'A man carrying grudges against several people set off on a shooting spree Friday morning, authorities said, killing an abortion protester outside a high school because he didn't like the activist holding a sign with graphic images of a fetus in front of students.

    The gunman drove next to a gravel pit business and shot and killed the owner, who apparently also upset him, police said. Authorities believe they stopped a third slaying by catching up with the gunman before he could kill again.

    "The defendant had ill will toward these three individuals — not for the same reason necessarily, but had a grudge," said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry.'
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Without being aware of the motives of the murderer who went on a shooting spree, killed two people, and sought to kill a third person - all three of whom were apparently unconnected - Jlew makes the assumption that plenty of people on this board would cheer that an anti-abortion protester was shot dead.

    He then makes reference to 'the bias and human scum that troll this board.'

    Makes you wonder if he had another agenda for creating this thread? Maybe just another attempt at baiting people into a shit-slinging contest?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Without being aware of the motives of the murderer who went on a shooting spree, killed two people, and sought to kill a third person - all three of whom were apparently unconnected - Jlew makes the assumption that plenty of people on this board would cheer that an anti-abortion protester was shot dead.

    He then makes reference to 'the bias and human scum that troll this board.'

    Makes you wonder if he had another agenda for creating this thread? Maybe just another attempt at baiting people into a shit-slinging contest?

    all news reports initially stated that he killed the man because he didn't like the signs he was showing of aborted babies to children at the nearby school. whether that has changed since, I don't know.

    you were probably banned when Dr. Tiller was killed and the outrage that ensued on this board. then again, you probably have no fucking clue who Dr. Tiller is.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    How do we know that the man was shot because he was an Anti-abortion protester?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32799068/ns ... nd_courts/
    killing an abortion protester outside a high school because he didn't like the activist holding a sign with graphic images of a fetus in front of students.


    :roll:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2009
    Because of course the killer was a very rational person wasn't he? And does the report shed any light on his motives? No, not really. It's all a bit vague. He saw someone with a sign of a fetus outside a school and shot him because he didn't like him showing it to students. He then hunted down two other people who were completely unrelated, and for different reasons.

    So can we deduce from this that the killer went out with the sole purpose of shooting anti-abortion protesters? Nope.

    Can we deduce that the killer was something of a psycho who went out on a random shooting spree? Sounds more likely.

    Still, whatever suits your purpose of stirring shit up.

    Also, it's funny that Jlew pretends that he wasn't also banned for 6 weeks. I think the term he uses is 'I've been away for a while'. :lol:
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Because of course the killer was a very rational person wasn't he. And does the report shed any light on his state of mind at the time of the 2 shootings? Nope. He saw someone with a sign of a fetus outside a school because he didn't like him showing it to students. He then hunted down two other people who were completely unrelated, and for different reasons.

    So we can deduce from this that the killer went out with the sole purpose of shooting anti-abortion protesters? Nope.

    Can we deduce that the killer was something of a psycho who went out on a random shooting spree? Sounds more likely.

    Still, whatever suits your purpose of stirring shit up.

    Also, it's funny that Jlew pretends that he wasn't also banned for 6 weeks? I think his term is 'I've been away for a while'. :lol:

    I had no idea you were such an expert. you really believe what you type huh?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)

    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Sure it's "sad" when anyone is murdered, but let's be honest, it's human nature to sympathize more with some people than others. Saying that though, I'd say very few people were "happy" this guy was murdered.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.

    if your common sense believes this guy died because he was a pro-lifer - then post about it and say it's wrong ... why post it and then pre-berate people for not caring about this guy?

    from what i read - this guy died because some guy didn't like him ... it just so happens he was an anti-abortion activitist ... the guy that killed him was clearly off his rocker as he went and killed someone else he hated ...

    and lastly - your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ... do you not see how absurd your logic is?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2009
    polaris_x wrote:
    your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ...

    It's called baiting. It's what he does best.

    Apparently, unless we toe the line of his way of thinking then we are 'human scum'.


    Edit: Anyway, I said I'm taking a sabbatical from the M.T for a few days. The M.T just looks/feels ugly and boring right now. Too much pointless baiting and antagonism from certain familiar individuals. Shame 'The Face' aka 'Last Exodus' aka 'Brmlw' aka 'Encinoman' isn't around to contribute to the shit-slinging party, as then it could really descend a few notches.

    I'm out of here.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.

    if your common sense believes this guy died because he was a pro-lifer - then post about it and say it's wrong ... why post it and then pre-berate people for not caring about this guy?

    from what i read - this guy died because some guy didn't like him ... it just so happens he was an anti-abortion activitist ... the guy that killed him was clearly off his rocker as he went and killed someone else he hated ...

    every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?
    polaris_x wrote:
    and lastly - your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ... do you not see how absurd your logic is?

    simply pointing out peoples mind set. this board and the media in general. abortion Dr killed its a national tragedy. anti abortion activist killed, who cares.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,499
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Because of course the killer was a very rational person wasn't he? And does the report shed any light on his motives? No, not really. It's all a bit vague. He saw someone with a sign of a fetus outside a school and shot him because he didn't like him showing it to students. He then hunted down two other people who were completely unrelated, and for different reasons.

    So can we deduce from this that the killer went out with the sole purpose of shooting anti-abortion protesters? Nope.

    Can we deduce that the killer was something of a psycho who went out on a random shooting spree? Sounds more likely.

    Still, whatever suits your purpose of stirring shit up.

    Also, it's funny that Jlew pretends that he wasn't also banned for 6 weeks. I think the term he uses is 'I've been away for a while'. :lol:

    Seriously? It says he had a grudge against 3 people and it says he didn't liek the guy holding the signs by the school. What more information do you need? A wiki link?

    Sometimes I think people take up sides just to argue. Have some coffee, read it again, then post that you were wrong. ;)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,499
    Byrnzie wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    your basically saying ... if people don't post about this guy - they don't care he died ...

    It's called baiting. It's what he does best.

    Apparently, unless we toe the line of his way of thinking then we are 'human scum'.


    Edit: Anyway, I said I'm taking a sabbatical from the M.T for a few days. The M.T just looks/feels ugly and boring right now. Too much pointless baiting and antagonism from certain familiar individuals. Shame 'The Face' aka 'Last Exodus' aka 'Brmlw' aka 'Encinoman' isn't around to contribute to the shit-slinging party, as then it could really descend a few notches.

    I'm out of here.

    Pretty sure you are one of the main reasons this thread became shit slinging. Bye bye now.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,499
    jlew24asu wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    the only similarity between tiller and this case is that an innocent person loss their life ... i don't think any pro-choice people on this board will justify this murder ... to think otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding on the issue and the people that post on this board (for the most part)

    doubtful. there were maybe 4 Tiller threads, not to mention it being ALL over the news for weeks. this happens, no threads, no one cares, no news coverage. just another right wing wacko gone. good riddance.


    You forget, Tiller was "fighting the good fight" keeping choice alive!!!!!

    All this guy did was try to shove his opinion and religious beliefs on others. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    every news report is saying he killed him because he didn't like the anti abortion signs he used. why are you making up your own conclusions?

    i read the article you posted - everyone comes to their own conclusions ... what makes yours more relevant than mine? did the guy off his rocker say "i killed him because he is an anti-abortionist"? ... if so, i'd believe it but this guy could just have easily annoyed him holding signs of dying cats from animal testing ... you draw your conclusions - so, will i ... unless there is proof - that's all we can do
    jlew24asu wrote:
    simply pointing out peoples mind set. this board and the media in general. abortion Dr killed its a national tragedy. anti abortion activist killed, who cares.

    no ... all you are doing is showing your inability to understand what people have been trying to tell you ... all you are doing is showing how your personal biases clouds you from reality ... it is clear already that everyone here is opposed to his death ... but you still don't get it ...
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