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Sigh.. cant they print as many Halloween posters as ordered?

CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
edited September 2009 in The Porch
I don't understand how on a pre-sale of posters which probably aren't produced yet that they can sell out. It's like selling out of CDs. Nowadays they're looking to make money any way they can, getting money from Verizon, upping ticket prices... why not make money by creating poster quantities which fit the demand?

"I mean... come on."
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ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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  • agfyagfy Posts: 133
    CJMST3K wrote:
    I don't understand how on a pre-sale of posters which probably aren't produced yet that they can sell out. It's like selling out of CDs. Nowadays they're looking to make money any way they can, getting money from Verizon, upping ticket prices... why not make money by creating poster quantities which fit the demand?

    "I mean... come on."
    jimmy%20from%20south%20park.gif
    i agree
    " I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
  • cannotstaylongcannotstaylong Posts: 668
    agfy wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    I don't understand how on a pre-sale of posters which probably aren't produced yet that they can sell out. It's like selling out of CDs. Nowadays they're looking to make money any way they can, getting money from Verizon, upping ticket prices... why not make money by creating poster quantities which fit the demand?

    "I mean... come on."
    jimmy%20from%20south%20park.gif
    i agree

    True point.
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  • mjbmjb Posts: 1,315
    Weird - I kinda got the sense that the run was to be determined on the volume of the preorder. Would have been nice to see a note in the email/announcement saying "*AMOUNTS ARE LIMITED"
  • cowboypjfancowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    mjb wrote:
    Weird - I kinda got the sense that the run was to be determined on the volume of the preorder. Would have been nice to see a note in the email/announcement saying "*AMOUNTS ARE LIMITED"

    Santos L. Halper wrote:
    - A LIMITED QUANTITY OF POSTERS WILL BE SOLD FOR EACH SHOW

    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=109745
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    mjb wrote:
    Weird - I kinda got the sense that the run was to be determined on the volume of the preorder. Would have been nice to see a note in the email/announcement saying "*AMOUNTS ARE LIMITED"


    The preorder does say "a limited quantity of posters will be sold for each show". I missed it when reading the email on my phone last night too... maybe because it was all caps and the rest of the email wasn't.

    I just don't get it. I own an art gallery, and a limited edition is only limited once an artist pencils in the numbers (or unless during the presale the quantity is disclosed in advance, which this was not disclosed in advance, so upping a quantity should be fine). No reason to limit the pre-sale. They're probably making $10 or $15 profit per print. That's 2x to 3x the profit of selling one of their CD's thru Target. C'mon... take the money and run! We're obviously buying!
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    i would imagine that its most likely the artist who would want to limit the print run, not the band.

    The band I doubt cares about an aftermarket value to the posters, however that can mean a lot to the artist.

    A higher aftermarket value of your prints increases your stature as an artist (and vice versa). If Ames made 20,000 posters per show, sure everyone would get one, but I doubt they'd ever be worth more than the original sale price.
    -one thing to remember, always have a good time, all the time
  • BraceYourSelfBraceYourSelf Posts: 814
    Hopefully, they will have tons at the show.

    Is the value of Posters Limited anymore? In the past it looks like there are only a hundred or so. Now, they have a stack and stacks of them.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    thebetterman wrote:
    i would imagine that its most likely the artist who would want to limit the print run, not the band.

    The band I doubt cares about an aftermarket value to the posters, however that can mean a lot to the artist.

    A higher aftermarket value of your prints increases your stature as an artist (and vice versa). If Ames made 20,000 posters per show, sure everyone would get one, but I doubt they'd ever be worth more than the original sale price.


    This is my belief too... but I'm sure the band has pull about this type of thing, if they wanted to. I think that would also explain the "ebay" sticker someone had on one of their poster-tubes when they bought a poster thru TC last year. It suggests they have sold directly to the secondary market (I'm not sure if the fan had got the poster from TC or the artist, but I thought it was TC).

    But still, lets say the artist (for a special event like this) makes a kick-ass poster, and sells realistically 5,000 of them. And lets say he's getting half of the $30 price. That makes the artist's cut about $75,000 for this one poster. I'd have to believe that that kind of payoff would well exceed the profit made by printing only 1,000 of them, and having a stash of 200 to sell at after-market value.
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,095
    crazypjfan wrote:
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

    What? The sale is fine. The most popular show of the bunch sold out quick (which is NO surprise). The other shows are still for sale. When I saw the link last night, my first thought was that the 10/31 posters may be sold out already.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,095
    crazypjfan wrote:
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

    Dpuble post.
  • thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    CJMST3K wrote:
    This is my belief too... but I'm sure the band has pull about this type of thing, if they wanted to. I think that would also explain the "ebay" sticker someone had on one of their poster-tubes when they bought a poster thru TC last year. It suggests they have sold directly to the secondary market (I'm not sure if the fan had got the poster from TC or the artist, but I thought it was TC).

    But still, lets say the artist (for a special event like this) makes a kick-ass poster, and sells realistically 5,000 of them. And lets say he's getting half of the $30 price. That makes the artist's cut about $75,000 for this one poster. I'd have to believe that that kind of payoff would well exceed the profit made by printing only 1,000 of them, and having a stash of 200 to sell at after-market value.

    I agree that the artist would make more money by printing more upfront, but there must be some sort of draw for them to be a "limited quantity artist".

    We all know there would be people calling them sellouts if they sold 10,000 prints at a show ever, and that they were
    -one thing to remember, always have a good time, all the time
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    edited September 2009
    I'm okay with the limited #'s

    my complaint is that i went for the poster as soon as they went up but it said that it was a restricted item blah blah blah. so i couldnt buy one even though i have tickets in my order history.

    that kinda sucks.
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    there is no way i'm buying a poster before i even see the dam thing...and if it's an AMES..that goes double!!

    you might of all just dropped $37.50 on the ugliest piece of crap you have ever seen!! fuck the "i was there shit"
  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    U R A Crazy Breed wrote:
    there is no way i'm buying a poster before i even see the dam thing...and if it's an AMES..that goes double!!

    you might of all just dropped $37.50 on the ugliest piece of crap you have ever seen!! fuck the "i was there shit"
    And that's what happened for Chicago 1 which is why I'm holding out. That and there were STACKS of posters are both Chicago shows - I haven't heard of a single show this year where posters were hard to come by.
  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    drsluggo wrote:
    U R A Crazy Breed wrote:
    there is no way i'm buying a poster before i even see the dam thing...and if it's an AMES..that goes double!!

    you might of all just dropped $37.50 on the ugliest piece of crap you have ever seen!! fuck the "i was there shit"
    And that's what happened for Chicago 1 which is why I'm holding out. That and there were STACKS of posters are both Chicago shows - I haven't heard of a single show this year where posters were hard to come by.

    yeah...i think the tough times have weeded out the casual poster buyer.
  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    crazypjfan wrote:
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.


    How was this an unorganized sale?

    it says clearly as norm posted earlier LIMTED QUANTITIES would be available for each show, so because people can’t not read it means the 10C is running an unorganized sale? :?
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:
    crazypjfan wrote:
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.


    How was this an unorganized sale?

    it says clearly as norm posted earlier LIMTED QUANTITIES would be available for each show, so because people can’t not read it means the 10C is running an unorganized sale? :?

    i would give more value to it being unorganized because of the extreme delay in announcing the presale after the first one, the fact that they went on sale immediately, and the fact that it was announced in the middle of the night.
    -one thing to remember, always have a good time, all the time
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    thebetterman wrote:
    and the fact that it was announced in the middle of the night.


    middle of the night?? santos post was at 4:22pm seattle time
  • YoullseeDragonsYoullseeDragons Posts: 2,144
    I missed out on the 31st poster as well but I'm not that upset about it. I'll go to the show early and buy one, going early anyway to help out at the Wishlist Foundation tent. I just pray they are doing the wristband thing again, that was great.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    thebetterman wrote:

    i would give more value to it being unorganized because of the extreme delay in announcing the presale after the first one, the fact that they went on sale immediately, and the fact that it was announced in the middle of the night.

    What Delay? If you saw the first presale, it was 8 days before the Calgary show. This one was 12 days before Seattle. In the first presale, they went on sale right away. A lot of them sold out by the end, but as of right now, it is just ACL and Halloween sold out.
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    thebetterman wrote:
    Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:
    crazypjfan wrote:
    Another unorganized sale :roll: This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.


    How was this an unorganized sale?

    it says clearly as norm posted earlier LIMTED QUANTITIES would be available for each show, so because people can’t not read it means the 10C is running an unorganized sale? :?

    i would give more value to it being unorganized because of the extreme delay in announcing the presale after the first one, the fact that they went on sale immediately, and the fact that it was announced in the middle of the night.


    the 10C sent the email at 7:35pm EST and I think Santos may have posted a little earlier than that.. how is that the middle of the night? :?
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • Tuolumne MamaTuolumne Mama Posts: 1,210
    I was very lucky to have been reading my emails when the message came through so I immediately signed on and bought Philly 4 thinking it would be the highest demand and fortunately got one. Hopefully, those who didn't can get one at the show.
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  • thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:
    the 10C sent the email at 7:35pm EST and I think Santos may have posted a little earlier than that.. how is that the middle of the night? :?


    the 10c email was sent at 7:35pm EST correct, but its a mass email so not everyone gets it at that exact time, thats just when the send button was clicked to start sending the email out. I usually get 10c emails about 8-24 hours after they are originally sent out. I last checked my email around 11pm last night and didn't have it as of then, but it was there when i checked it this morning, so it came somewhere between 11pm and 7am for me. So for me, I was alerted to this presale 'in the middle of the night'
    -one thing to remember, always have a good time, all the time
  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    thebetterman wrote:
    I usually get 10c emails about 8-24 hours after they are originally sent out. I last checked my email around 11pm last night and didn't have it as of then, but it was there when i checked it this morning, so it came somewhere between 11pm and 7am for me. So for me, I was alerted to this presale 'in the middle of the night'
    Yeah I got mine overnight too... I knew the presale was going on from the board, but to be fair I didnt get an email under after midnight.
  • thebettermanthebetterman Posts: 657
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    thebetterman wrote:

    i would give more value to it being unorganized because of the extreme delay in announcing the presale after the first one, the fact that they went on sale immediately, and the fact that it was announced in the middle of the night.

    What Delay? If you saw the first presale, it was 8 days before the Calgary show. This one was 12 days before Seattle. In the first presale, they went on sale right away. A lot of them sold out by the end, but as of right now, it is just ACL and Halloween sold out.

    delay as in, the gap between the first presale and this one. It shouldn't matter to do it x days before the first show included in the presale. I preordered the new album more than 8-12 days before it came out, so thats not an issue. They could have announced the poster presale for all the shows included right away, instead of staggering them.
    -one thing to remember, always have a good time, all the time
  • Yellow BedwetterYellow Bedwetter NYC Posts: 2,832
    Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

    the 10C sent the email at 7:35pm EST and I think Santos may have posted a little earlier than that.. how is that the middle of the night? :?

    its also right b4 the presidential address...i guess i shoulda been on the Forums beforehand instead of eating dinner or watching the address or working

    edit: basically if you dont have email alerts/internet on your phone then youre gonna be S.O.L. in the future....wishing i had the extra $40/month to spend on blackberry or iphone
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  • JW0422JW0422 Posts: 170
    I got my email around 8pm last night, maybe plenty of time to order a halloween poster but I want to see it before I by it, I like others will go to the show early, I have to anyway to pick up my tickets, and buy one if I like it, if not I didn't waste 37.50 for something I wouldn't ever hang on my wall.
  • traveljunkietraveljunkie Posts: 663
    I don’t have a problem with the “limited quantities” and getting shut out, but I do find it slightly irritating that there isn’t any advance notice of the sale. The 10c email came through at 9pm last night - long after they'd already been on sale, evidently. So, by the time I saw the email this morning, 10/31 was already gone.

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I'm not really in on the poster game, so I don't know.

    I thought the posters were *supposed* to be rare and hard to get. I thought that was the whole point.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
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