Independent music stores
I'm choosing to buy Backspacer from an independent hopefully local music store. But here's the thing...finding it. So it may take a while, I have no problem with that. Here's the question TC -- what are supposed to do, search until we actually find an independent, or is there a way to find out where it will be sold? Any help would be much appreciated.
Any other fans choosing the alternate and supporting the little guy in this recession?
Any other fans choosing the alternate and supporting the little guy in this recession?
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All independents? Is that what you mean? From what I understood, it's exclusive with Target, itunes and some independent music stores...
Me: Hey are you guys getting the new pearl jam record?
Indie Store Clerk: Ahhhhh let me check. (Goes into computer) I don't see it here, is it being released anywhere else?
Me: Umm yeh, Target. (Blushes profusely)
Indie Store Clerk: Well we have their new 45.
Me: Oh ok, so that mean's you'll have the full album too, ok thanks man. (runs out of the store in embaressment)
This guy is a drummer in a kick ass local band to add to it.
check out the following site for help potentially locating a store near you, which you can always contact for more info:
http://www.cimsmusic.com/
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Youre kidding right?
Exactly. But I think maybe he was just an exception to the rule, one time I bought a live phish album and he gave them lots of props.
at what point in this story did the guy give her / him any attitude or try to make them feel embarrassed?????
i hate when people come into indie stores and are expecting us to have an attitude, and they end up being the ones with an attitude & looking like a fool.
do some people who work at indie stores have an attitude? SURE.
do some people who work at Target have an attitude? SURE.
no matter where you go there are gonna be people with attitudes or are just having a shitty day.
i've worked at indie record stores for over 13 years, i'm not always the most social or outgoing person and i'm sure people have thought i was an indie snob or something.
i don't know i've lost my train of thought....anyways SUPORT INDIE(even if the clerk is a jerk)!!!
i'm like an opening band for the sun...
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that's good to hear
i'm like an opening band for the sun...
www.archive73.blogspot.com
ever done a google search?
log onto the world wide web and type in www.google.com. in the search box type in "independent music stores" and the name of the town you live in. you should see multiple listings.
THEN...use your rotary phone and dial their phone number. it should be 10 digits. the phone will ring a few times. then somebody will answer. what you need to do next is pretty complicated: ASK HIM IF HE WILL BE CARRYING THE NEW PEARL JAM ALBUM DUE OUT ON 9/20. if he says no, you can ask him to order it specifically for you (most places place their orders by the wednesday before the release date). if he says no again you will have to go to the 2nd listing off of your google search and repeat the steps i just covered with you.
good luck.
OUCH!!....you sound like a clerk at an indie record store or something.
i'm like an opening band for the sun...
www.archive73.blogspot.com
nah...just a guy who does not need the tenclub to tell me how to do everything
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I have brought this up often and frequently, and people get pissed off and angry. Its like they dont read the news or anything. I dont read the newspaper, or watch the damn news, but I can tell you the amount of record stores, and independent ones as well, has diminished and not increased. This is not rocket science. Anyone with half a brain will understand this is factual. The impact of Napster and filesharing the last 10 years on record sales, has been dramatic and negative. So naturally, it follows, as record sales dwindle, people obviously dont turn to their local cd store to get new music, they turn to iTunes or Torrents.
I bring this up at every thread involving filesharing and the ethics of it. And I often get bombarded with halfwits who say "how could you say this", "people still buy stuff from record stores" and on and on. And while thats somewhat correct, to say that filesharing has not had a major effect on their buisness is to stick ones head in the ground.
No matter how you personally feel about downloading, the facts are facts. Record sales are down. The Soundscan/Billboard sales charts each week, have albums that sell like 100-200,000 copies as the top album of the week, when in its heydey in the days leading up Napster, you had NSync and the Backstreet Boys each selling 1 million copies in a week. People arent less enthusiastic about music now. So those figures of 100-200,000 are obviously indicative that yes some people, hundreds of thousands got the album legally, but millions more downloaded it. And that obviously is going to have a major effect on the record stores out there.
You hear it more and more, record stores closing and going bankrupt. Its sad, but its a reality of both the post Napster universe, and the current New Depression.
I totally agree with what youre saying.. 100%...im a professional musician myself...800 stores just seems to me to be a wildly low number...would you agree with that estimate? 800 stores left??
But they could have really done a new Radiohead or NIN type move, Done something that really turned the industry on its ear, and was another blow to the already unstable "industry" (the quotes are intended).
In this day and age to try and put alot of attention into the whole physical cd, is kind of silly. Its obvious with a band like PJ that, millions of people are gonna get the record for free. They are a major rock band. Theres nothing really that can be done.
I respect those artists like a Jay Z or NIN or whoever, who sort of just get the thing out there anyway they can and just let it go. Time isnt really spent on the other details. While, I can agree there is soemthing to be said for creating important and interesting works of art for covers and liner notes, that stuff seems so trite in many ways to me. Millions of people downloaded the new Jay-Z joint. Did they really miss out by not getting the full physical album artwork and experience? Pearl Jam has always been unique in that their album artwork was always a cut above anyone else's. There was a time for that. But I think the world has changed.
It would be interesting to see these days, laid out, what percentage of fans of a given band download for free versus those who pay full price. Like say Jay-Z. I am a sociology major and I remember taking an entire course devoted to statistics, not the mathmatical kind, more the taking of polls and such. It would be interesting to design a poll for Jay-Z, for example and figure out, call up anyone who is a fan, this would have to be a massive poll, majorly funded one, and ask every fan, if they download or buy legally.
I obviously dont have any data to back it up, but my feeling is, that with most bands these days, most fans download, and dont buy.
The fact is most people think 20 is too high a price to shell out for a cd.
I totally agree with what youre saying.. 100%...im a professional musician myself...800 stores just seems to me to be a wildly low number...would you agree with that estimate? 800 stores left??[/quote]
I hear you. But, yes I would agree with that estimate. I think as I said, the Napster decade 1999-2009 hit these indie stores REALLY hard. You obviously still have people coming to buy stuff at the stores, but I think the number of people who do that now, as opposed to in say 1992 has changed very much. I think you have way less people going to these stores. Because lets face it, whether you personally feel its right or not, given the chance to get the new jay-z album for free online, or pay 18 bucks for it, the choice is pretty obvious for most people. I also think the people who go to record shops, the people with allowances and whatnot, the teens, the people with jobs, like the 20 year olds, you just dont see them going to stores to buy records anymore. You line up 100 13-20 year old kids, male and female, I think 95 percent or higher are going to say they download illegally. So yeah, that causes stores to close, that kind of almost universal statement of "I would rather download Tha Carter III than buy it".
800 seems perfectly reasonable to me, in fact it seems to be much higher than I would imagine. I would draw a parallel with mom and pop retail stores that are a dying breed as well. I think a record store is far less profitable than one of those mom and pop grocery stores or whatnot.
Thats why I think the music industry goes to such extreme lengths like fining a mother of 4, 1.6 mil, for downloading 22 songs. I think they realize a major source of their income and profit has deserted them.
800 seems way to high in my mind. How many indie stores in Seattle, or LA, or Portland. Those are all three major huge cities, and I would expect each to have maybe 3 or 4 each. If that.
The exclusive deal with Target isn't 'outdated' at all. It's actually a one-of-a-kind deal for PJ for two reasons. #1 - they did the deal themselves without the help or direction of a label. #2 - not only can they sell the CD at indie stores, but they can sell through their fanclub, through digital outlets, and at their shows. This is the kind of deal that will turn the music industry on it's ear because major labels are becoming more and more obsolete (primarily for established artists). If bands can broker their own distribution deals through the channels they decide up, then they have complete control. And that is what most bands strive for...
Given these new ways in which people listen and consume music, I consider the target deal outdated.
We may all no doubt think the artwork and the physical work and labor they put into the liner notes and the cover, are important, or well worth a look, but as I said, lets face it, these days, most people either download off torrents, in which case the album artwork isnt seen at all, or buy via itunes in which case the cover is seen when listening on iPod, but thats about it, the image is small and truncated.
They should have done the digital thing. Maybe focused more on doing some wierd thing with Target concerning a digital release, or something.
I guess I just live in a different world than most of you all or something. Anyone who is young and into music, that I know, seems to have their music collection exclusively on their ipods or computers. And I hardly ever hear anyone talking about the artwork to any album covers anymore. In fact, when was the last time, a friend of yours, mentioned the album cover for a new album?
And besides, the physical product almost seems so useless these days. Dont alot of people just buy an album off itunes, copy and save the 4 or 5 songs they like and then just recycle the other songs?
Things have changed in the music world. This deal with target would have been great in 1998 or something, but in 2009? I dont get it.
The other question was about availability. I often hear people talk about it, but people never TALK about it. There is a difference. When was the last time, you werent able to get a cd by a major band? I cant think of a single time, a friend, myself, family, or anyone on this board has ever said "I cant get the new album by Band XYZ". It just doesnt happen.
This also sort of raises the question of why was this deal supposed to get fans access to the album.
Can anyone on here relay an instance in their own lives, or their friends lives where a major bands album was somehow unavailable to them?
There may be people who live in small towns, rural areas, who dont have a store to get albums in, and that wont change with the Target deal, as most rural and small towns aint gonna have a Target anywhere near them. Those people in this rural area werent gonna have access to the album anyways, and wouldnt under the deal.
I am all about people spreading music, and getting as many people as we can to listen to bands, but in this day and age, I find it puzzling, who are these mythical people, that people drudge up, in thread after thread, who will be crying in their soup because they wont have access to Backspacer?
I find the CD format annoying. Theres no point to them anymore. If you want quality sound, artwork and liner notes, get the vinyl. If you want convienience, get the Mp3s. For the average music fan accustomed to iPods and Mp3s a CD collection now seems really inconvienent and a waste of space.
So making a huge deal based on how to distribute the CD format of the album does seem outdated to me. Maybe releasing the album on the website earlier for a much cheaper price than itunes would be a cool idea?
You always think people don't buy CD's anymore
BUT...check this out, they also said something about "Interview Sessions" they will have in November.
http://www.ziarecords.com/Artist/998
Anyone know what this is?
Great point.
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